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Old 11-26-2009, 12:40 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Believe me my friend, We also, as Turks fans, were touching skies and giving high fives to each others while Portland deal about to done.

I can't express how big our disappointment was when Raptors news hit the ground.

It was too hard to believe for us too. Defenseless Raptor was giving Marion and taking Turk without adding another well known defender into its roster. In addition to this there will be no more JO. Huh. We discussed Regie Evans addition but we're very well known hes one of the foul prone of this league. Whoever says this moves will result in a good stuff and create a Playoff contender, i would say he should be his out of mind.

I agree with your last sentence. Its sad but its true: the deal done. Nothing we can do for now.

I also agree this team is kinda looking near 40 wins and 1st round exit team which is higher than my early expectation. The record is not so bad so far.

Believe me, any future trade ideas Hedo involved in here will not give pain on us , at least to me.
I'd print this out and wipe my ass with it, but it isn't good enough.


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Old 11-26-2009, 12:50 PM   #142 (permalink)
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Whats wrong with Hedo????

Dude is a great pick up.

Problem I have is that many fans here over value the guy and expect too much.

He is a good role player. A great 6th man.

He is NOT a star 2 guard in the NBA.

Get a grip on controlling your expectations and you will learn to appreciate what Hedo brings.
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Old 11-26-2009, 12:53 PM   #143 (permalink)
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He is NOT a star 2 guard in the NBA.
Especially considering he plays the 3.
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Old 11-26-2009, 12:59 PM   #144 (permalink)
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Hey calm down.

This was not bashing Toronto Raptors post.

Read again pls.
You just said you were sad to see him come here and wouldn't be sad if he got traded.

Hardly sounds like a ringing endorsement for the Raptors.
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Old 11-26-2009, 01:00 PM   #145 (permalink)
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Hey calm down.

This was not bashing Toronto Raptors post.

Read again pls.
Well if i'm reading correctly through the broken english..........you said you were happy when you heard he was going to Portland and disapointed when the news of Toronto signing him hit.


Yeah, no bashing there!
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Old 11-26-2009, 01:03 PM   #146 (permalink)
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You know the name Steve Nash who leads the NBA by far in T/O'S AS A POINT GUARD.

2nd any t/o from Jose is huge because we just don't expect any from him so yes 6 is earth shattering but not the reason we lost. We only shot 34 % so when your offence has an off night that is where good d keeps u in games. Our d is bad so the pressure will always be on our O to score alot points.
Nash's teams usually have more possesions than the average. Also check out Nash's assists, his ability to shoot and to create his own shot and the fact he always holds the rock.

Having Hedo and Jack on the team Jose's Turnovers should be at a minimal.



However; thanks for pretending I don't know a think about basketball. Always gives me a reason to protect my argument. Also, breaking up my post was also a great thing to do as I did say other factors (ie. FG% and Blocks) were the fact the team lost.
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Old 11-26-2009, 01:38 PM   #147 (permalink)
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He's capable of playing either F spot. The knock on him coming out of college was regarding his handle (which has improved) and his 3pt shot (which he has now).
I'd give Hedo up for him right now. He's a hell of a leader, a fantastic rebounder and LIVES in the paint.
he's capable just as Bargnani is capable of playing SF. He'd be a massive defensive liability, not that he's much of a defender now. And when exactly did he lead whasington to something?

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As for Wallace, Marion, Battier..... those are hardly "scrub players" that just randomly go off against us. They're excellent players that bring defense and energy to their teams on a nightly basis.
scrubs they are not, wallace and battier are good players. None of the 3 are capable of creating shots, and while they are good defenders, this team needs shot creation just as bad.
But either way, only marion was available of the 3, and he wanted a ridiculous contract.

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Lastly, if this team is gassed after 15 games then there's a serious problem. Every damn in the league has road trips and B2Bs. With the play of our bench, the starters haven't had to play 40+ min/gm so there's no reason that they should be tired. And if they are then they should get the hell off the floor so someone else can play.
except not every team in the league plays 8 games in 12 nights, in all 4 corners of the continent. And when they do, they're just as gassed - I've seeb boston lose home games last season in similar situations.
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Old 11-26-2009, 01:52 PM   #148 (permalink)
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Its being 2nd at this week. Should i write SORRY for my English in my signature? Is that what you want?

Yeah, no bashing there!
don't take it personal - probably the majority of the forum members are not native english speakers

And Raptors fans, we tend to be very protective of our "city reputation", because some ignorant american players (luckily not that many), and the us media's tendency to always assume that nobody in their right mind would want to play here (despite the fact that it's obviously wrong).
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Old 11-26-2009, 01:58 PM   #149 (permalink)
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he's capable just as Bargnani is capable of playing SF. He'd be a massive defensive liability, not that he's much of a defender now. And when exactly did he lead whasington to something?
What he brings in terms of in-the-paint offense, rebounding and leadership would make up for his defensive deficiencies. He's not great.. but far from horrible on that end. And he's lead WAS to the playoffs for a few years now. Won 6th man of the year in DAL too. And several coaches have said that he's incredibly professional. Doesn't take games off. Always gives it his all. He's the most important piece of that Wizards team.

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scrubs they are not, wallace and battier are good players. None of the 3 are capable of creating shots, and while they are good defenders, this team needs shot creation just as bad.
But either way, only marion was available of the 3, and he wanted a ridiculous contract.
He wanted the money that Hedo & Bargs got. Can you honestly tell me that they deserve it more than he does at this point?

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except not every team in the league plays 8 games in 12 nights, in all 4 corners of the continent. And when they do, they're just as gassed - I've seen boston lose home games last season in similar situations.
Golden State beat Dallas with SIX players and no head coach. 3 guys played all 48 min.

The Raptors have one of the deepest rosters in the league. Don't try to tell me that they were "tired". The Celtics' guys are in their early-mid 30's... the Raps players are all in their mid-20s.

It had nothing to do with fatigue... They just didn't give a shit. And it showed.
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TO, they looked tired last night.

Boston, because they're full of veterans have understood how to prepare and take care of their bodies for back to backs and cross country/continent road trips.

The fact that we have a bunch of guys in their early 20s demonstrates this. They're still learning as most are only 3-4 years into their careers which is when you're still learning how the NBA game is played. Guys like Ray Allen for e.g. learned as they got closer to 30 on how to adapt to the road trips.

They cared, but they were dogged tired too by a team that was nice and rested.
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We're Raptor fans, not Hedo fans, we're allowed to hate on our team, you aren't.

Different schools of thought. People here didn't want Hedo because they felt he wasn't the best fit for the team, you didn't want Hedo here because you didn't think the Raps were good enough. Doesn't work both ways, sorry...
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What a turd!
look what Glenn Beck started
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The beginning of Armageddon? Or the continuation of lunacy? j/k kind of....
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The beginning of Armageddon? Or the continuation of lunacy? j/k kind of....
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TO, they looked tired last night.

Boston, because they're full of veterans have understood how to prepare and take care of their bodies for back to backs and cross country/continent road trips.

The fact that we have a bunch of guys in their early 20s demonstrates this. They're still learning as most are only 3-4 years into their careers which is when you're still learning how the NBA game is played. Guys like Ray Allen for e.g. learned as they got closer to 30 on how to adapt to the road trips.

They cared, but they were dogged tired too by a team that was nice and rested.
I still don't see it as an excuse.

A guy like DD is a rook but he's what? 19? And we haven't even played enough games yet for him to hit the "rookie wall".

As for the rest of the guys... Bosh? Jack? Amir? Bargs? Jose? Wright? Belli?

ALL of these guys have been in the league for 4 yrs+ now. No reason that they shouldn't have learned how to prepare for B2Bs at this point.

Call me a hard-ass but if you're THAT tired... so tired that you can't even give your team 20 good minutes... then sit the hell down and let Rasho, Banks, Sonny and whoever else play the majority of the minutes. Because we just got plain OUTWORKED last night... and there's nothing that I hate more than that.
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I still don't see it as an excuse.

A guy like DD is a rook but he's what? 19? And we haven't even played enough games yet for him to hit the "rookie wall".

As for the rest of the guys... Bosh? Jack? Amir? Bargs? Jose? Wright? Belli?

ALL of these guys have been in the league for 4 yrs+ now. No reason that they shouldn't have learned how to prepare for B2Bs at this point.

Call me a hard-ass but if you're THAT tired... so tired that you can't even give your team 20 good minutes... then sit the hell down and let Rasho, Banks, Sonny and whoever else play the majority of the minutes. Because we just got plain OUTWORKED last night... and there's nothing that I hate more than that.
I'm calling you a hard ass.

Travelling kills your body. Asking a 19 yr. old kid to adapt is insane. It's not a rookie wall I'm speaking of, it's when you physically can't do it anymore.

As for the other guys. I'm telling you right now. It takes until you're closer to 30 to learn how to prepare and last long in the league. Right now, everyone is relying on their talent to get by. Chris said so himself earlier this year.

They got beat because they couldn't physically compete last night. It looked evident. Why would they not try against an inferior opponent when they know they have Boston coming up and they need the W to build momentum? Again, logically, it makes no sense.
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world class athletes getting tired b/c they played 30 minutes 24 hours ago

don't they have trainers?
all these guys have played ball in some way since high school
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I'm calling you a hard ass.

Travelling kills your body. Asking a 19 yr. old kid to adapt is insane. It's not a rookie wall I'm speaking of, it's when you physically can't do it anymore.

As for the other guys. I'm telling you right now. It takes until you're closer to 30 to learn how to prepare and last long in the league. Right now, everyone is relying on their talent to get by. Chris said so himself earlier this year.

They got beat because they couldn't physically compete last night. It looked evident. Why would they not try against an inferior opponent when they know they have Boston coming up and they need the W to build momentum? Again, logically, it makes no sense.
C.... the Raps aren't the only team that has to go through this.

Take a look at the Blazers and the Hawks' rosters. They're just as young if not younger. And they haven't had any problems with B2Bs. And you could easily argue that they don't have that much more talent than we do.

If I were Triano I would have sent a msg to the starters last night in the 3rd Q and yanked all 5 of them for the rest of the game. If they're too tired to play then they may as well sit on the bench and let guys Banks and Rasho ,who BARELY get to play, get some burn.
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Charlotte didn't outwork anybody. When did you see them work ToRAps? When they had to at all early on, they didn't look like they could pull off a win. Then they found themselves with the luxury of not needing to work.

Energy constraints are a problem with this team. So should they be running their asses off at any point of any game on a back to back? Or are they going to reach a point where they find themselves in better condition? I think that when the schedule eases up a bit, they are going to have a better time of these things. And the NBA should not treat paying customers to such a poor quality product. It really does undermine the whole league's credibility for me.
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C.... the Raps aren't the only team that has to go through this.

Take a look at the Blazers and the Hawks' rosters. They're just as young if not younger. And they haven't had any problems with B2Bs. And you could easily argue that they don't have that much more talent than we do.

If I were Triano I would have sent a msg to the starters last night in the 3rd Q and yanked all 5 of them for the rest of the game. If they're too tired to play then they may as well sit on the bench and let guys Banks and Rasho ,who BARELY get to play, get some burn.
Banks - woohoo! Pops got lots of burn. Boy that was ugly. Why were we supposed to be excited about him coming back again?
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