POST GAME: Toronto Raptors 81 - Charlotte Bobcats 116 - Page 3
Old 11-25-2009, 09:42 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Bargs took only two shots in the second half..Triano should've had him in there jacking 3 instead of Pops.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:43 PM   #42 (permalink)
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It could be worse...we could be the Nets who will probably easily fall to 0-15 tonight.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:43 PM   #43 (permalink)
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When you give up 105+ points every single night no matter the team, you can't expect to win regularly. There will be nights like tonight where the offensive rhythm isn't there (25 points below their season average!), but you've got to make up for that on the defensive end. This team, clearly, is incapable of doing so.
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Bargs took only two shots in the second half..Triano should've had him in there jacking 3 instead of Pops.
Story of Bargsy's life. Feelin' it in the first half, doesn't get a sniff of the ball in the second.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:43 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Bosh took too many jumpers but then he was fucking scared. Jose shot 50% but the fucking guy only takes 6 shots. Fuck him to tonight the guy has to take over the game and be a fucking ball hog shoot shoot shoot because the rest of the dumb fucks could not hit fucking anything. Sit him on the bench if he does not want to shoot. Jarrett Jack what the fuck drive drive drive someone tell him that he can't fucking shoot.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:46 PM   #46 (permalink)
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The offense was there for the first half, doesn't mean the defense ever was. The Bobcats had 52 going into the second half but we were still right there. We missed a couple shots in the second, didn't get the stops we needed, and Charlotte busted it open. The meltdown didn't really come until halfway through the third when the scrubs came in.
The defense was fine in the first half. They never shot above 40 percent, so I'm not sure where you get the idea that the offense was there. They took care of the ball in the first quarter and got some free throws and stayed in the game. Once the turnovers starting happening en mass, and the kind of careless turnovers that lead to easy baskets, then it was just over.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:47 PM   #47 (permalink)
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from what I can tell, because i didnt bother to watch, they lost by 35 points to a horrible team, so, they must be horrible.

And they are.

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Old 11-25-2009, 09:49 PM   #48 (permalink)
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When you give up 105+ points every single night no matter the team, you can't expect to win regularly. There will be nights like tonight where the offensive rhythm isn't there (25 points below their season average!), but you've got to make up for that on the defensive end. This team, clearly, is incapable of doing so.
Again - no team is capable of defending against a guy heading alone down the court on a turnover. The lack of offensive rhythm lead directly to points going the other way. Add to that a ton of missed layups which typically lead to easy points going the other way for any team, and there was absolutely no chance for defense to make any difference in this game.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:50 PM   #49 (permalink)
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It was not our d that cost us our game it was our offence. Our d was terrible as usual but fuck me our offence was the worst so far this year. Hell if we played just at 50 % of what we were capable we would have won this game. Bottom line good d gives u a chance to win every game, but we don't play good d. Our strength is our O and that was no where to be found tonight.
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The defense was fine in the first half. They never shot above 40 percent, so I'm not sure where you get the idea that the offense was there. They took care of the ball in the first quarter and got some free throws and stayed in the game. Once the turnovers starting happening en mass, and the kind of careless turnovers that lead to easy baskets, then it was just over.
My bad - meant to say the offense adequate.

But this was so much more than turnovers, a shitty offense and fast break points. The rotations were awful, as they usually are, and the defense in turn was being eaten alive. We were down by 13 or 15 when the starters came out of the game and that's just from shitty defense, nothing else.

The turnovers didn't really start to pile up until Jarrett Jack and the scrubs came on, which was when Charlotte really busted it open. Like Jeff said, take away the fast break points and we still lose by 15.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:52 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Jack is a joke anyhow.

I HATE guys that can turn it on against old mates, but are invisible every other game.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:52 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Story of Bargsy's life. Feelin' it in the first half, doesn't get a sniff of the ball in the second.
What was he feeling? How many times did he go soft and week to the hoop, or back off altogether just to shoot a week J? I counted three times where he flipped the ball up in a rush and missed in close, and another time when he had the defense on their heels and stopped two feet from the basket, refusing to go strong and likely get a foul call at the very least, and instead he backs up and floats a shot off the rim. He was feeling a whole lot of - here - go take it on the break the other way.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:53 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Raptors should've just jacked 3s in the last 6 minutes
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What was he feeling? How many times did he go soft and week to the hoop, or back off altogether just to shoot a week J? I counted three times where he flipped the ball up in a rush and missed in close, and another time when he had the defense on their heels and stopped two feet from the basket, refusing to go strong and likely get a foul call at the very least, and instead he backs up and floats a shot off the rim. He was feeling a whole lot of - here - go take it on the break the other way.
What's your point? Bosh's shot selection was pretty suspect up until the fourth, when the game was completely out of reach. I saw him putting up some pretty gnarly attempts as well, despite his struggles. I could go back to last night too, which was atrocious. Gotta love those 15 second face ups that lead to bricked shots.

Andrea took two shots in the second after going 6/10 in the first. Good teams realize who's hot and feed that guy the ball in his hot spots. Giving the ball to Andrea on the break through traffic right near the basket is NOT advantageous. At all.
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My bad - meant to say the offense adequate.

But this was so much more than turnovers, a shitty offense and fast break points. The rotations were awful, as they usually are, and the defense in turn was being eaten alive. We were down by 13 or 15 when the starters came out of the game and that's just from shitty defense, nothing else.

The turnovers didn't really start to pile up until Jarrett Jack and the scrubs came on, which was when Charlotte really busted it open. Like Jeff said, take away the fast break points and we still lose by 15.
Charlotte scored 20 on turnovers when the Raps were down by 20. The game was over by that point. If you want to look at the defense during a stretch of the third I can see it. That didn't help. But they played perfectly adequate defense up to that point.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:57 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Yikes to the score. Against a mediocre team there's no excuse to lose this badly
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Old 11-25-2009, 10:01 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Old 11-25-2009, 10:04 PM   #58 (permalink)
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What's your point? Bosh's shot selection was pretty suspect up until the fourth, when the game was completely out of reach. I saw him putting up some pretty gnarly attempts as well, despite his struggles. I could go back to last night too, which was atrocious. Gotta love those 15 second face ups that lead to bricked shots.

Andrea took two shots in the second after going 6/10 in the first. Good teams realize who's hot and feed that guy the ball in his hot spots. Giving the ball to Andrea on the break through traffic right near the basket is NOT advantageous. At all.
Bosh hasn't had his shot. I'm not sure what that has to do with Bargnani.

My point is that when the game was close, Bargnani had multiple opportunities to stretch open a lead, and instead tossed up floaters and backed off from contact, and sent the ball on the break going the other way. Instead of six or eight points for us, it was that many for them. That's a twelve to sixteen point difference. But he was feeling it and needed more touches. Fuck that. The man is 7 foot. When your near the rim you can go up strong and Tyson Chandler is going do nothing more than foul out of the game.

There was even one of his makes where it bounced off the rim three times before going in, off a finesse runner in the lane, after he waited for someone to come over and stand between him and the basket. The guy caught the ball in the post and looked at nothing but open space and needs a lucky bounce to get two points?

At least Bosh was getting to the line through all of that. But shit he was atrocious right?
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Old 11-25-2009, 10:11 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Just read it was the most lopsided victory in Bobcats team history.
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Old 11-25-2009, 10:12 PM   #60 (permalink)
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I don't want to turn this whole thread into a VC vs. Turk debate. But my point was that Turk is non-existant in many many games. I don't care if he isn't shooting well, sometimes Barg's doesnt shoot well but atleast he moves around the court, sets screens does SOMETHING.

Turk should get alot of the blame for tonights game. Also belenelli played like shit. Hopefully they come out stronger next game.
he only got 23 min? Maybe if he got 10 more min he could score 10 more points?
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