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Old 12-30-2008, 01:19 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Unfortunately, I think this team needs to be blown up and become completely rebuilt.
Try to keep Bosh, which I think is highly unlikely.

This team needs to be built from the draft. Sadly, the Bargnani pick did set us back a couple years. Can't really blame BC b/c hindsight is 20/20.. let's face it, these things happen!

What I hate about this team right now, is that there is absolutely no sense of direction. What is Colangelo trying to do right now? Is he trying to develop a young team? Is he trying to make quick fixes to try and become a contender right away?

It's not like our team has young guys have alot of potential to look forward to. And our team isn't exactly young either.

Unfortunately, I think it is time to rebuild. Who gives a fuck about making the playoffs when realistically, even when this team is at their best, it's highly improbably they'll make the first round?

I would be much happier with these losses if I knew we were rebuilding, developing a young team, etc... but we AREN'T. We just flat out suck.
I'd like to see our team with one (or more) of GS's wing players on our team before I completely give up.

Trade Bargs and AP/Joey/Moon for Belli/Azebuike/SJax or some combo that gets it done.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:22 AM   #42 (permalink)
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building "around" Bosh was/is a bad idea from the start.
I still think Bosh is a good piece to keep.
Is he someone who can take you to the promised land? No, but then again, I can count the number of players that can do that on one hand.

Bosh is a very very good player to keep. He is an perennial allstar. Keeping him would be great if we can, but I highly doubt he would like to go through a rebuilding stage AGAIN.

The rest of the team is expendable. Trade ALL these guys for any young up and coming players we can fetch or some picks.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:24 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Lets flip to the good side, the humpty dance is your chance to do the hump!!!
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:24 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Honestly Thrills... I have nothing but huge respect for you dude... you've always been a favourite poster of mine... but I think that you're WAY off base here.

If we're relying on Jose to be this "dynamic, MVP-calibre, game-changing PG" then we're in for a world of disappointment.

Jose is a solid, solid PG.... but that's not his game.

You may as well ask Biedrins to be Tim Duncan.
I just want to see him be aggressive on the pick and roll more than 4-5 times a game. He needs to be taking at least 12 shots a game on this team(9 shots per game and 2 fts is unacceptable), no excuses. If we want to even have a chance in games he NEEDS to be at least attempting to get to the rim more often just to make the defence react. He needs to get up more shots in the paint for more offensive rebounding opportunities. He needs to get his teammates better shots(dont just look at tonight, look at the entire season). His FT attempts need to go up, as do his points in the paint, theres no excuse why it shouldnt. Hes got quickness, hes got 2 very very good bigmen picking for him creating a potential huge advantage, and he hasnt taken the opportunities that have presented themselves because hes either way too cautious and worried about making mistakes or hes lacking confidence in his ability off the dribble.

He was putting up monster games as the lead man last year without an Oneal, this year he should be coming closer to that kind of consistancy especially with the role hes been given, he hasnt seized the moment IMO
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:25 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Colangelo has bad luck.

-AP good couple years (good pickup at the time), now too old!
-Moon, good signing last season, this season is sucking hard!
-Bargnani, projected to go top3-5 in the draft, has a good rookie season and has been extremly inconsistant ever since.
-Brings JO in, he's been hurt on and off all season (quelle surprise)
-Garbo, good signing at the time.Injury ends his first season early, and his stint in Toronto.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:26 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I'd like to see our team with one (or more) of GS's wing players on our team before I completely give up.

Trade Bargs and AP/Joey/Moon for Belli/Azebuike/SJax or some combo that gets it done.
Sorry TO, my optimism for this team has finally run out. I'm leaving you on this bandwagon .

I don't think a player like Belli/Azebuike/SJax can help us out. Sure it'll definitely help us win more games maybe... but in the long-term, this type of deal will not net us a championship.

I'd much rather make trades for picks/young players THAT HAVE potential .
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:27 AM   #47 (permalink)
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BUILD AROUND BOSH...

AT THIS POINT? ... Umm... no thanks... 2010 is around the corner.

You want to rebuild? TRADE Bosh FOR young players and 1st rounder(s).

otherwise dont mention it again.

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Old 12-30-2008, 01:28 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Can somebody plz tell me how you bang up your knee then leave the game due to the flu? lol
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:29 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:30 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Can somebody plz tell me how you bang up your knee then leave the game due to the flu? lol
lol Ugo

before the opening tip Devlin said he was sick all day yesterday and is playing with the flu....

after i think it was the first quarter (maybe midway thru?) he left back to the locker room for abit and came back.

He came back onto the floor a few mins later and 1st defensive play he got knocked in the right knee ... which put him back on the bench...

Guess they shut it down after that and said fuck it.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:32 AM   #51 (permalink)
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lol Ugo

before the opening tip Devlin said he was sick all day yesterday and is playing with the flu....

after i think it was the first quarter (maybe midway thru?) he left back to the locker room for abit and came back.

He came back onto the floor a few mins later and 1st defensive play he got knocked in the right knee ... which put him back on the bench...

Guess they shut it down after that and said fuck it.
lol just found it funny, he came out, banged his knee, sat on the bench and was out with the flu lol, i mean alot of guys play thru the flu, is that really all it is? We need wins so bad, makes me think it was either a severe flu or JO didnt feel right about something.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:33 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Bosh will probably leave in 2010
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:37 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Of course Bosh and Calderon played well, Graham too, but where the is everyone else
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:41 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I don't know why we didn't got to our hot hands down the stretch.

Surely one of Moon or Hump could've done better than JK or Parker.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:50 AM   #55 (permalink)
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The Raptors should hold open tryouts for a new wing player. Our wings aren't even what I would consider our "weak link" because I think it's gotten to the point where our wings are so bad that they're actually hurting the team, not just being a blemish.
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:19 AM   #56 (permalink)
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You know I'm right about Jose. The guy was supposed to be our #2 option this year and hes turned into our #4 option most games. Hes lead this team right into the ground. If he was as good as people thought he was we'd be at least hovering around .500 and we'd have won a couple of close games, but our execution in 4th qtrs is brutal, and thats not just coaching. Jose cant do shit if you either dont go under the screen or hedge, because he'll just throw it out and stand away in the corner. He isnt a leader and he isnt an impact player.
wooww, u must be blind becuz if it wasnt for him tonight we would have lost by like 20 30 points if kaponos gonna miss wide open jumpers thats gonna effect us. YOU FUCKIN CANT BLAME JOSE ITS NOT HIS FAULT Bosh and jose played great this game yet we still lost and thats becuz our bench sucks other people need to step up you cant win basketball games with 2 people its a team effort play for one another
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:28 AM   #57 (permalink)
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The knee flu- a rare problem that is still being researched it can be treated and recovery time can range from 24 hours to life

Meanwhile has Bryan Colangelo been kidnapped or stolen by aliens. I mean it seems impossible he has not found a trade he is willing to do at this point. This team needs a change badly.
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:33 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Few things:

Anthony Parker and Jason Kapono have no business being on the court at the same time in any situation, having them on the court late on is an entirely redundant exercise.

Watson's dribble penetration on Calderon ruined his otherwise good game. Parker's inability to check on the perimeter is killing us and it isn't talked about nearly enough. I can't believe people call this guy a good defender, he's probably the most overrated player on the Raptors.

Chris Bosh needs to become a much better passer out of the post and needed to be much more clever/aggressive in trying to get Biedrins to pick up his third foul. He also sat for too long in the fourth quarter. Good job on taking Jax to the rim though, that was a good sign.

I've been a JO defender all season long but checking out of the game for flu-like symptoms and a knee-brush was pathetic. Aside from Turiaf, the Warriors really don't have an answer for him and it would've been nice to at least see those two go at it.

We haven't seen Jason Kapono hit a "traditional three" nearly enough. You know, one where he gets the ball out of a post double-team and knocks one down. I understand people cover him like white on rice but maybe we should start to put him in the corner on the strong-side instead of the weak side wing. Just an idea.

If this team wants to make the playoffs, at the very least, we need a defensive minded guard or forward who can check one of the usually two possible dribble-penetration threats in the fourth quarter.

I'm used to the Raptors being thin on the swings but I can't live with the PG situation being so weak, we've gone from the PG being our strongest position to one of our most vulnerable (especially defensively, yes, I know TJ Ford wasn't a great defender but dribble-penetration was not such a big issue last year for whatever reason).

I'd like to see Joey Graham flash from the weak-side to the low-post and catch a pass from either Calderon or whoever gets the ball after the high PNR, and then make a move towards the rim. We saw earlier with Triano, don't quite know what happened to the play.

I probably have more but whatever....
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:34 AM   #59 (permalink)
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i don't understand what people want from jose. the man has never been an outstanding, take-over-the-game type point guard but everyone seems to think that as the starter he now has to be that guy. fact is, chris Bosh is supposed to be our takeover guy but chris Bosh is a STIFF as a takeover guy and that's where this team falters. the reason jose's "issues" are coming to a boil right now is because we don't have someone to takeover games, we're losing, and everything is magnified to the nth degree.

jose has EASILY been the most consistent, reliable piece on the team this year. you can't tell me that anyone else on this team is more of a sure bet from the perimeter than jose calderon. you can't tell me that there are any point guards in the east better at running the high screen and roll than jose calderon. there is nothing wrong with how jose plays the game, and i can guarantee everyone here this much: he is the furthest thing from the problem with this team.

people need to accept the fact that jose Calderon is NOT a takeover guy, he is simply a fundamental, solid point guard. the sooner this fact is realized, the sooner people will understand that jose is definitely not what is weighing this team down.
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:57 AM   #60 (permalink)
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Please people, don't be silly. There are many teams in the NBA that'd love to have Jose and Bosh in their team, yet you want to rid of them for a bag of potato. You can't get anything other than Wallace, Jamison type of players for these guys and they sure are not any better. As I always said we need a SG/SF who can create his own shot and has leadership skills. We don't need JO. We just need a tough guy who can defend and rebound.
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