POST GAME: New Orleans Hornets 99 - Toronto Raptors 91 - Page 4
Old 12-14-2008, 03:40 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I am ok with the outcome. Paul was contained for the most part, as was Peja - they couldn't stop West one-on-one inside and Posey on the perimeter. Still, had they made enough of open shots that were there (Kapono in particular), the game would have been theirs.
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:41 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:44 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Even if it's a man resembling that pic?? DIRT DOG!!
If you pretend it's a woman... that's not gay? LOL just close your eyes, a hole's a hole...

No I'm kidding, that's a little bit on the border between weird and creepy. Unless someone on here is into that kind of stuff, then go right ahead, I'm not judging.

I don't look like my avatar, because he's Murray from Flight of the Conchords!
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:45 PM   #64 (permalink)
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If you pretend it's a woman... that's not gay? LOL just close your eyes, a hole's a hole...

No I'm kidding, that's a little bit on the border between weird and creepy. Unless someone on here is into that kind of stuff, then go right ahead, I'm not judging.

I don't look like my avatar, because he's Murray from Flight of the Conchords!
I like the cut of your jib, sir!!
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:47 PM   #65 (permalink)
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How does Bosh (25/8), Jose (22/7), JO(19/7) not get us a win?

66Pts from those three and containing Chris Paul=loss?
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:49 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Paul really had 22 assists due to the 2nd pass out of his penetration always leading to the open shot. He was the reason we lost even though he had modest numbers.

Rasual Butler seems to have returned to his Miami self knocking down shots. Hes taken away Mo's minutes completely, and Daniels as expected was very solid despite having no points.

The late calls were very apparent on both sides. It was well oficiated overall, they did get a couple more calls, but the late calls on both sides and bailouts irked me.

They ran their sets to perfection and their small lineup spread us out forcing Bosh/JO on Posey and everytime we helped on Paul he was wide open and really played Pejas usual role.

Jose was very good even though Paul toyed with him, Bosh took too many jumpers but overall played well, and JO played very well and I dont think we went to him enough. Jkaps forced shots but sometimes had to so I dont blame him.

Overall it was a good game and enjoyable to be at. The way home on the train is gonna suck though.
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:49 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Yea that's sad you would think high point total's like that would mean that it was a pretty easy win but the thing is the bench and role players have to step up so we can win
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:51 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:53 PM   #69 (permalink)
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Again.... even though we lost you can't be mad.

NO was hot as hell from 3 in the 1st half and AP and JK just couldn't throw the ball in the ocean....

... even with all that we were still in the game almost the whole way.

If we put out this effort against every team in the NBA outside of the top 10 or so we should win.
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:55 PM   #70 (permalink)
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Well, a tough loss to the Hornets Sunday on a day when the Raptors could just as easily pulled out the win. After a solid defensive effort in the 1st quarter, the Raptors began to lose track of shooters like James Posey and Rasual Butler as the team ranked #1 in 3 point shooting in the league put up shot after shot as the Raptors struggled as they have all year with perimeter defense.

Here are the keys to the game as I saw them.

Keys for the game:

1) Protect the Paint allowing only 34 points in the paint to the Nets was a huge victory for this Raptors team that had been averaging 47+ points in the paint nightly. Against the Hornets Chris Paul and Rasual Butler will look to force the Raptors out of the defensive lanes that held Vince Carter to 0 13 shooting with no lanes to penetrate. Sunday, the Hornets outscored the Raptors 28 20 as the Raptors seemed to have no desire to attack the teeth of the Hornets defense with NO Tyson Chandler.

2) Perimeter defense Not letting Mo Pete and Peja Stojakovic will be looked to shoot over top of the 1 4 structure that Jay has implemented. With Jose Calderon being pulled out of man coverage on Chris Paul, the defensive movement of Jamario Moon and Joey Graham will be critical to putting pressure on the array of shooters this Hornets team will bring to the game. Morris Peterson did not play, but the Hornets took 32 3 point shots, and made 12 of them. James Posey hit 6 mostly open shots as the Raptors could not keep the shooters under pressure at all.

3) Rebounding I will say this every game until the Raptors begin to assert themselves on the glass consistently. Against a smaller front court like the Hornets, there is no reason why we cant dominate this team on the glass, especially if Tyson Chandler does not play. With him out, David West becomes the leading rebounder on this team and he should have a difficult time against Chris Bosh and Jermaine ONeal all afternoon with Andrea Bargnani in the mix, the Raptors should be able to work toward a more balanced rebounding effort. Sunday, the Raptors started the game strong on the glass but down the stretch, their weak rebounding kept the game out of reach. They ended the game -7 to the Hornets as the Raptors were only able to grab 2 offensive boards in the second half while the Hornets were able to grab 6. David West grabbed 3 offensive boards.

4) Transition defense This Hornets team will look to take advantage of turnovers as Chris Paul is one of the league leaders in steals with 53. The Raptors will have to contain the transition offense and early baskets that the Hornets will attempt to capitalize on. The Raptors on Sunday were able to hold the Hornets to only 7 points in transition, but were only able to get 2 themselves.

5) Control the Ball Turnovers will be a huge factor as the Raptors will be hard pressed to keep the ball and keep the number of turnovers closer to 10 than to 20. As this team becomes more comfortable with Jays systems, I look to Jose Calderon to have more than 3 assists as well, but more critical, this team needs to keep the assist to turnover ratio closer to 2/1 to continue its success. Sunday, the Raptors had only 10 turnovers while the Hornets had 11, both teams had 13 points off of turnovers.

Over-all, this game was exciting and very well played by both teams, but the Raptors continue to struggle working the ball inside to Chris Bosh and Jermaine ONeal consistently. Yes, Chris Bosh scored 25 points and 8 rebounds as well as 6 assists, but in the 4th quarter, he began to settle for jump shots again which is out of the context of the offense and too often leads to shots from the top of the circle with no rebounding support late in the shot clock. Jose Calderon played a very good game with 22 points and 7 assists to Chris Pauls 12 points and 12 assists. Very solid games from 2 of the premier PGs in the league.

One of the biggest differences in the Raptors the past 3 games had been the play of Jason Kapono and Jamario Moon. Today, they both struggled adding only 7 points each on offense. Balanced scoring will be a key to this team every game, with only 3 players over 10 points, the Hornets were able to focus on Chris Bosh and Jose Calderon down the stretch and no one else was even in the game other than Jermaine ONeal who had 19 points. Another issue was rebounding again. Not one Raptors player was over 10 rebounds while Posey was able to gather in 10 for a nice double double off the bench. Someone has to decide that they want to become the rebounder this team needs to keep control of the ball and the tempo of the game. I think that we have taken a lot of steps in the right direction and Jay has done a great job getting this team to play closer to their potential. This will be a tough week with the Nets, the Mavericks, the Spurs coming up with the Thunder on Friday night. Lets hope the climb to respectability continues.
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Old 12-14-2008, 04:35 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Old 12-14-2008, 06:44 PM   #72 (permalink)
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The keys to the loss:
-No Bench contribution (no one in DD)
-No Wing contribution (though we have seen that they CAN, and hopefully in a few weeks will give it with consistency)
-No making of open shots by Kap and AP.
-Key cold streak to end the second. If that doesn't happen(going 1-15) we win or atleast keep it awefully close.

Apart from that we really played pretty well. Maybe we should forcefeed Calderon a bit more when he's not missing anything.
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Old 12-14-2008, 08:05 PM   #73 (permalink)
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So now it's ok losing to good teams with the new lovers of the coach, and it's just a matter of not hitting shots, and that's entirely acceptable as an explanation.

Interesting turn of events.

Jose pissed me off by not going to the hole on breaks. He friggin' well hurt himself, again with no contact, but with his jarring pull up when the path to the basket was clear on a break. Then with the game fairly close near the end, he pulls up when he had nobody but Paul around, and CP was not between Jose and the basket, but caught out of position. I'm just sick of that kind of wilting.

Add Bargnani, Moon, and Kapono to the mix on most nights, and I just can't see where this team is ready to do the things that are necessary. Jack Armstrong is always talking about one team being the hammer and the other the nail, and there are just too many players with no interest in being the hammer.
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Old 12-14-2008, 08:07 PM   #74 (permalink)
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So now it's ok losing to good teams with the new lovers of the coach, and it's just a matter of not hitting shots, and that's entirely acceptable as an explanation.
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Old 12-14-2008, 08:11 PM   #75 (permalink)
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I'll tell you one thing - Kapono could have had a few really nice open three's and JO looked him off and went straight into double teams and tough shots. There was no good sense of when they should go inside, and what they should do once they go inside. It would be nice if they consistently went there, and then worked the offense from there instead of working the offense from the outside, and every once in a while tossing one in there where Bosh or JO feel there is no other option but to try to force something.
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Old 12-14-2008, 08:16 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Oh - and did anybody see the Justin kid with his dunk at halftime? That was fun.

He puts the ball in the middle of the lane, then runs up, somersaults over the ball, picking it up on his way up, and slamming it into the net. Damn - I want to see that again. I'll check youtube.
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Old 12-14-2008, 08:17 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Paul really had 22 assists due to the 2nd pass out of his penetration always leading to the open shot. He was the reason we lost even though he had modest numbers.



Jose was very good even though Paul toyed with him, Bosh took too many jumpers but overall played well, and JO played very well and I dont think we went to him enough. Jkaps forced shots but sometimes had to so I dont blame him.

Overall it was a good game and enjoyable to be at. The way home on the train is gonna suck though.
Actually Jose toyed with Paul. Jose made Paul look so average. If Paul is MVP material based on this one game Jose should be MVP material.lol Jose should have been more selfish in todays game. Hell his mates were struggling shooting the ball. Paul was just out matched today by Jose. Jose should have went off for 30 plus points against the so called MVP candidate. Jose had the potential to go 30 pts 20 assists in this game. Alot of missed open shots and when he got the ball inside our bigs were hacked. So if you want to count the second pass go ahead because i am justing talking about Jose making the first pass. Anyway it was only one game and your right it was a great game to watch. If we play the same way against the nets we should win. Both Harris and Carter will be on a mission.
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Paul didn't have to even defend Jose. He just looked at him and Jose pulled the ball back out to the perimeter, when there was nobody else around on the break.

Meanwhile Jose guarded Paul by clapping his hands in the air. That worked so very well.

One guy showed true leadership today, and one did not. Guess which one was which - hint - the guy who won was pretty intent on winning.
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Old 12-14-2008, 09:26 PM   #79 (permalink)
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Paul didn't have to even defend Jose. He just looked at him and Jose pulled the ball back out to the perimeter, when there was nobody else around on the break.

Meanwhile Jose guarded Paul by clapping his hands in the air. That worked so very well.

One guy showed true leadership today, and one did not. Guess which one was which - hint - the guy who won was pretty intent on winning.
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you trully have a lot of hate in your heart.
Not true at all. I love Jose as a player and a person. But he's got a bigger role that requires leadership, and he showed some of that when he was eating some wood against Indiana. That was nice. That could have done some really big things against a much better team today.

Today was a measuring stick of sorts, and if we're going to make out like Jose was somehow superior to CP today, or pretty much any day, then something is missing.

And there is one thing holding Jose back from truly measuring up, and that is the fear that lies in his heart. He has simply got to lose that.

I've been more than happy with Jose's defense, in terms of effort and fight, all season long, but on the other side he's gone all mushy on us. I want to see him fighting.

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