Possible Draft Pick: SGs and PGs

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4. James Harden (sg) 1 4.35%
6. DeMar DeRozan (sg) 13 56.52%
7. Tyreke Evans (pg) 2 8.70%
8. Stephen Curry (sg) 5 21.74%
9. Brandon Jennings (pg) 2 8.70%
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Old 05-04-2009, 06:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have compiled from the top 10 draft pics for 09 the shooting gaurds and point gaurds that we can possibly get:

4. James Harden (sg) (Big-time scorer isn't flashy, but is lethally effective.)
6. DeMar DeRozan (sg) (Athleticism, size and skill have drawn Kobe comparisons.)
7. Tyreke Evans (pg) (Scoring machine reminds scouts of Jerry Stackhouse.)
8. Stephen Curry (sg) (Scoring machine showed he can play the point, too.)
9. Brandon Jennings (pg) (Super athletic point guard with great size for his position.)

my best guess is were either goin with demar derozan or brandon jennings...who do you think BC will pick?

here are the videos you be the judge:
NBA Draft - 2009 NBA Draft - ESPN
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Old 05-04-2009, 06:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd really like Harden but I think we'll get either DeRozen or Curry
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Old 05-04-2009, 06:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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what about henderson, flynn, teague, williams and lawson? all of these guys are just as likely imo...

earl clark is also quite likely, although not a guard.


i should also mention that we have a 16 page thread about draft prospects already, so you may find lots of good discussion in there:

rf official nba draft thread

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Old 05-04-2009, 07:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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what about henderson, flynn, teague, williams and lawson? all of these guys are just as likely imo...

earl clark is also quite likely, although not a guard.


i should also mention that we have a 16 page thread about draft prospects already, so you may find lots of good discussion in there:

rf official nba draft thread
ah true i seen that thread i just wanted to make my own about the top 10 players and the top pgs and sgs and i wanted to c what people thought about the names i put up...but u are right about henderson being up there, although he isnt on top 10 list and i think BC will go by the list...i duno u guys be the judge
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what list?
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:28 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I love Harden too but he will probably go early. Obviously beside Harden, Griffin, Rubio, Jordan Hill and Thabeet (rough but full of potential) are this year's draft prizes. I'd definitely settle for Flynn, or Lawson, and probably be happy with Tyreke Evans or Teague. I'm still not sure what kind of pro Earl Clark will be, but he's got potential. Given the length of that list, we can get one of those guys drafting 9th easily.

I don't think Henderson will be a good pro. What exactly is his position? Tweener 6'4 SG/SF who isn't a scorer. There is not a good history of those players panning out. Before you compare him to guys like Battier (or even Bruce Bowen), recall those guys are 6'8 and 6'7, respectively. Am I way off base? G-Hen doesn't have the size to guard the 2 position in the NBA effectively, nevermind the 3. So basically his upside is Charlie Bell. Not what I want out of a lotto pick.

With Flynn, Lawson and Teague, you get guys who will most likely at least be solid backup PG's. I can see the first two easily becoming 10/5 guys, and Teague becoming some sort of scorer off the bench. They all could potentially develop into starters.

I see similar signs in all three that I saw in Rondo; all have upside. They don't have Rondo's ferocious defensive tenacity, but Flynn and Lawson are great floor generals, and Teague is super quick and a good scorer.

Evans has potential too.

We have a decent set of guys already in TO; there's no need to swing for the fences on someone with an uber high bust potential. Get a guy who looks to be a clear rotation player with upside.

Statistically, we had one of the worst benches in the league this year. We need a couple more guys who can either lock guys down defensively, or put in 10 points and do other useful stuff on the floor.

We need to steer clear from guys who are too undersized or have spent several years in college and shown little improvement IMO (Tyler Hansbrough, for example - fantastic college player, but at the end of the day he's still a 6'9 PF with little mobility whose upside is basically Nick Collison and whose worst case is someone like Mark Madsen).

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Old 05-04-2009, 07:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Henderson's size isn't an issue. 6'4-6'5 is fine for a SG as long as he's strong and smart... He was an elite defender at Duke.

He fits your last paragraph perfectly IMO. Good all-around player who mixes being a relatively sure thing and having some upside. He's athletic and has a nice bball IQ, was solid enough at creating his own shot in college, had a nice midrange game and should add the 3, should play in the open court more than he did in college. He won't be exceptional at anything but should be good at most of them, including passing, rebounding, etc. If we can get a 14/4/4 starter who plays good d with this pick, we should be happy. Worst case scenario he's a long term version of AP before this year. Best case scenario he breaks out more than expected and is a Michael Finley type player, or he's an epic All-NBA defender like Michael Cooper

I should point out all these things were said about Brandon Roy when we was drafted too. Good at everything, but not great at any... elite defender in college, nice passer, nice rebounder, great bball IQ. More athletic than his game showed.

I just like players who have good bball IQs, good team attitudes, and can defend and bring intangibles... that's a great place to start IMO, even without Henderson's great athleticism.

I also like Earl Clark... he'd be my 1b choice at our position. Reminds me of Odom a bit.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:59 PM   #8 (permalink)
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14/4/4 is too much to ask from a guy like Henderson who averaged 16/5/2.5 in college. He's not suddenly goin to become that much of a better passer. More realistic is 12/4/2. Those aren't great numbers.

As for the Brandon Roy comparison, I"m sorry but it's ludicrous.

Though their year 1-3 numbers are similar, Roy took a monumental jump in his final (4th) college year that very few players do, and it is nutty to just assume Henderson would become the same player. This is what Roy averaged in his final year:

31.7 mins, 51% FG, 81% FT, 5.6 rebs, 4.1 ast, 2.3 TO, 1.4 STL, .8 BLK, 20.2 points

Henderson's year 3 numbers are as follows:
29.7 mins, 45% FG, 76% FT, 4.9 rebs, 2.5 ast, 2.2 TO, 1.2 stl, .8 BLK, 16.5 points

Henderson and Roy have similar athleticism (great), but Roy has the size (6'6) to shoot over people that Henderson will not have in the pros. Roy is also the most heady SG I've seen in like a decade.

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Something I've observed is that lots of Dukes who are oversized for their position (and have great college stats, of course) do well in the pros: Battier is a 6'8 SG, Brand is only a 6'8PF but with his arms straight up he can reach as high as 7'0 Chris Kaman; Grant Hill was a 6'7 athletic dynamo of an SF, Luol Deng is a 6'8 SG/SF, Boozer is a ripped 6'9 PF with a big wingspan... The undersized guys tend to struggle: 6'3 1/2 SG Trajan Langdon, 6'4 JJ Redick, etc. I thought Shelden Williams would make a much better pro than he did, but he has played a lot of center in his career, and at 6'8 ish he is undersized for a 5.

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Henderson reminds me of henderson(sr.).

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12/4/2 with defense is still starter quality in this league, that's fine at the 9th pick in this draft. He'll get more than 2 a game if he's a starter though, I mean Kapono averages that much per/36, Parker had 3.4 a game this year. Henderson is noted as a good passer so 4apg wouldn't surprise me. College stats don't matter, it's a different game.
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12/4/2 with defense is still starter quality in this league, that's fine at the 9th pick in this draft. He'll get more than 2 a game if he's a starter though, I mean Kapono averages that much per/36, Parker had 3.4 a game this year. Henderson is noted as a good passer so 4apg wouldn't surprise me. College stats don't matter, it's a different game.
14/4/2 as a lockdown defender in the caliber of Batier/Bowen is starter quality. Otherwise, it's basically what we have with AP, and SG is our biggest weakness.

The problem is, unless you've got a Tim Duncan and a Tony Parker/Chris Paul type PG, you need a better scorer for an SG.

As for college stats, you can play the "I don't care about college stats" card but that doesn't mean they aren't relevant or a good predictor of future success.
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from the choices in the poll i would not select any PG because frankly the PG position is not the position we are looking for unless 1 of the PGs are just that good that we could trade jose which i have not heard anything even remotely close to that
then then SG are only harden, derozan are interesting because although i like stephen curry, we are not looking for an undersized SG and an SG that shoots
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Really, no one on that list intrigues me right now. If there ever was a draft to trade out of, this would be the one right now.
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Really, no one on that list intrigues me right now. If there ever was a draft to trade out of, this would be the one right now.
Hahhhhhhhhhh. Can you imagine this place if that were to happen.

I'd want Derozan 1st, and if not Harden would be my second choice.
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Harden sucks. He showed me nothing in the tournament. DeMar Derozan's athleticism is definitely intriguing, but the Kobe comparisons are absolute ludicrous - he's going to be a big hit or a big miss as far as I'm concerned. I see Henderson as being very NBA ready.

Because we need help at the two spot right now, I'd go with Henderson. If we had room to breathe with time to develop a project, I'd go with DeRozan.
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T-Willlll. I can't for the life of me understand why he's being projected as a 20's pick. Love his skillset.
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T-Willlll. I can't for the life of me understand why he's being projected as a 20's pick. Love his skillset.

I don't get it either, maybe its because he is a late bloomer I don't know what his stats look like in his previous years but this year he played out of his mind

the fact is he can jump out of hte gym, has a good jumper, gets great defensive rebounds and he's 6'6 you can play him at the two, resign Parker forget Delfino

if somehow derozen falls to us then I would take him but I wouldn't be upset if we to took Terence Williams,

tyreke evans seems like a head case but I have to admit i like the way he can hit shots from deep reminds me of joe johnson
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Seriously, I don;t want any of those aformentioned guys. I want to able to package that pick along with Banks and Kapono for an expiring.
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Let's get Rubio if we get lucky. He will be the next Nash.
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trade down, get McNeal, Mills, Blair or someone else

there isn't a big diffrence between players in the 8-30 range

will be glad if the Raps can get rid of a bad contract in the process
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