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Old 03-16-2011, 04:31 PM   #21 (permalink)
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the good thing about having Derozan steping up is that he solidified another position

PG if we get Irving then obivously replace jose, if not jose is good enough
SG Derozan
SF, we have to add someone here no matter what, I prefer a defensive guy who can shoot the 3, Shane Battier type, kind of fill that role that AP did we we signed him in 06, a chemistry guy who plays hard and will get the team going the right way
PF Andrea Bargnani
C, defensive Big needed ala Tyson Chandler,

my ideal roster for next year

PG Irving
SG Derozan
SF Battier
PF Bargnani
C Chandler

Davis first big off the bench,
Calderon 6th man
J.Johnson,Kleiza,Amir, roster is 10 deep

most likely a 50 win team

the roster we'll most likely have next year

PG Jose
SG Derozan
SF Barnes
PF Davis
C Bargnani

a 35 win team maybe even a .500 ball club depending on the development of all the players in the starting lineup accept for jose because he has already peaked

My Ideal lineup next season:

Irving/Bayless
Ellis/Barbosa/Lighty (2nd rnd pick)
Derozan/Johnson/Kleiza
Davis/Amir/Evans?
Chandler (FA)/Dorsey


Don't ask me how it would happen, since i doubt GSW would take a package including Bargnani for Ellis and Chandler probably re-signs with Dallas. But that would be a fun lineup to watch.

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Old 03-16-2011, 04:34 PM   #22 (permalink)
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The Lakers have Blake under contract and will likely bring him up as a starter. Miami, I don't know who they're gonna grab. They're likely stuck with Chalmers. Dallas is questionable as well.

Again, when CP3 is at his fullest, can you honestly say they're a championship team? I can't. New Jersy still isn't that good or at least haven't impressed me that much from watching them a few times.

Boston does well with Rondo but I'd really like to see Rondo on his own without Allen and Pierce there. Rose isn't the only reason for the Bulls doing well, I think Thibodeau has mentioned the importance of Deng playing well, again SF.

Again, if you look at the top teams in this league: San Antonio, LA, Miami, Boston, New York, Dallas, save for the spurs and celtics, you're looking at teams that are very strong on the wing specifically the SG/SF position.

Jose isn't that bad. He's fine. How many times do you hear here, oh he'd be good in Miami/LA. So, why upgrade a position that if we get elite talent, we'd be fine in?
You pray you get the next Kobe, or LeBron but until than you work with what you have The PG position needs to be addressed because our players aren't very good at creating for themselves, and when your PG isn't good at creating either you have a big problem... I'm not gonna get into the other problems with Jose.

The point I was making about CP3 was how great NO plays when he's 100% showing how important he is to a team that doesn't have elite talent at the wings.

All those teams have aging players. I would say the PG position is equally, if not more important now. And I have NEVER heard anybody talk about how Jose would be good on L.A, or Miami LOL. I've heard that Kirk Hinrich would be since he can guard, and shoot.

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My Ideal lineup next season:

Irving/Bayless
Ellis/Barbosa/Lighty (2nd rnd pick)
Derozan/Johnson
Davis/Amir/Evans?
Chandler (FA)/Dorsey


Don't ask me how it would happen, since i doubt GSW would take a package including Bargnani for Ellis and Chandler probably re-signs with Dallas. But that would be a fun lineup to watch.
Golden State already said Ellis will not be moved no matter what. Here is my ideal lineup.

PG: Curry/Bayless
SG: DeRozan/Barbosa
SF: Barnes/Johnson
PF: Davis/Amir
C: N/A. Bargnani will be shipped out for Curry.
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Old 03-16-2011, 04:38 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Golden State already said Ellis will not be moved no matter what. Here is my ideal lineup.

PG: Curry/Bayless
SG: DeRozan/Barbosa
SF: Barnes/Johnson
PF: Davis/Amir
C: N/A. Bargnani will be shipped out for Curry.


That would work for me as well.
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Golden State already said Ellis will not be moved no matter what. Here is my ideal lineup.

PG: Curry/Bayless
SG: DeRozan/Barbosa
SF: Barnes/Johnson
PF: Davis/Amir
C: N/A. Bargnani will be shipped out for Curry.
The only way we could get Curry is if we trade our pick.
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Old 03-16-2011, 04:45 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The only way we could get Curry is if we trade our pick.


Not really. Apparently they want to add a bonified starter and depth for Curry. I think they're done trying keep aquiring high picks. They feel they want to add some experience now. Not sure Bargnani is anywhere near the best they can get though.
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Draft- PG or SF

Trade- Center

FA- PG or SF(depending on draft), Depth veteran that can shoot.
In my opinion, Irving should be our first choice. I think most people can agree with that.

If we are not fortunate enough too get the first overall pick, then our next choice should be SF, Barnes, Jones, T. Jones or Williams, depending on where we are picking.

The reason I quoted this, was because you have Center under trade, which is the most likely possibility, however, if we can somehow find a way too get Jordan out of LA (he's an RFA) I think that should definetly be an option too consider.

Imagine Davis and Jordan defending the post.

Although they may not be a powerhouse on the offensive end, the defense they would offer together would be astronomical.
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Old 03-16-2011, 05:41 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Whats our lottery probability in the draft. Realistically I think its going to be 4-7. More then likely we are going to miss out, Irving, Sullinger and Barnes. I think we have to draft a point guard, not that I think that's our biggest priority, but I think it maybe the only resolution for that particular position. So we are looking at maybe Jimmer or kemba walker. Both undersized score first, no defense pgs.
I think we need to pick up length and defense in the front court. I think there are great opportunities in FA to pick up a veteran leadership in a Sf. Our biggest priority is not so much a position as it is just size and defensive presents in the key. So if Sullinger is there you take him. I think Davis will provide this off the bench, but I am not content with Amir as our starter, especially in tandem with Andrea.
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Whats our lottery probability in the draft. Realistically I think its going to be 4-7. More then likely we are going to miss out, Irving, Sullinger and Barnes. I think we have to draft a point guard, not that I think that's our biggest priority, but I think it maybe the only resolution for that particular position. So we are looking at maybe Jimmer or kemba walker. Both undersized score first, no defense pgs.
I think we need to pick up length and defense in the front court. I think there are great opportunities in FA to pick up a veteran leadership in a Sf. Our biggest priority is not so much a position as it is just size and defensive presents in the key. So if Sullinger is there you take him. I think Davis will provide this off the bench, but I am not content with Amir as our starter, especially in tandem with Andrea.
I have a feeling we'll end up with Walker, Barnes or T. Jones
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Whats our lottery probability in the draft. Realistically I think its going to be 4-7. More then likely we are going to miss out, Irving, Sullinger and Barnes. I think we have to draft a point guard, not that I think that's our biggest priority, but I think it maybe the only resolution for that particular position. So we are looking at maybe Jimmer or kemba walker. Both undersized score first, no defense pgs.
I think we need to pick up length and defense in the front court. I think there are great opportunities in FA to pick up a veteran leadership in a Sf. Our biggest priority is not so much a position as it is just size and defensive presents in the key. So if Sullinger is there you take him. I think Davis will provide this off the bench, but I am not content with Amir as our starter, especially in tandem with Andrea.
Sullinger's actually undersized, and not known for his defensive abilities, but rather for rebounding and offensive abilities in the post.

I'm very content with Davis starting, and would rather have him then Sullinger.

I'm not a fan of Sullinger at all, to be honest.
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its PG, you asked which position most needs to be addressed
its not SF because demar plays SG/SF, so that already makes the PG a weaker position on our team, especially if you think demar is going to improve even more
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Sullinger's actually undersized, and not known for his defensive abilities, but rather for rebounding and offensive abilities in the post.

I'm very content with Davis starting, and would rather have him then Sullinger.

I'm not a fan of Sullinger at all, to be honest.
I was actually thinking of his width and his ability to move his feet, which is going to come in real handy with the guards we have. People keep saying he is undersized he listed a 6-9, 265, there is a lot of 6-9 pf in the league. He has great court smarts. And your wrong about his post presents, he plays below the rim his shot is going to be blocked a lot.
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I was actually thinking of his width and his ability to move his feet, which is going to come in real handy with the guards we have. People keep saying he is undersized he listed a 6-9, 265, there is a lot of 6-9 pf in the league. He has great court smarts. And your wrong about his post presents, he plays below the rim his shot is going to be blocked a lot.
He's actually closer too 6'8'' from what I've heard, and his primary position is center, but he'll probably be a Power Forward in the NBA because of his lack of size.

As for your comment about his court presence (not presents), I would like too inform you that at no point did I say that he was going too be good offensively in the NBA, but rather, that's what he's known for, along with his rebounding ability. In your original post, you mentioned about him being a defensive player, when in reality, he's not.
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trade or find a FA at the center position, and in the mater of the draft take just the beter player you an have.

trade barg for curry
trade jose for a solid center, even a vet. (dalembert for example)
draft a defensive SF like T jones.

curry/bayless
DD/babosa
T jones/JJ/kleiza
davis/amir/evans
dalembert/dorsey

but i don't think we miss talent, i think we miss time (developpment) and a real coach who can beat the crap of the players !

inconsistent game, that is the biggest problem out there.
we have only 18 win : but 9 are against playoffs team (bulls, phily*2, orlando, NOH, Boston, OKC, indy and Dallas).

change the coach, and trade, FA and draft to help rebuild seriously our team : and then wtach out !

i repeat bring in Malone (NOH asistant + canadian team assistant) he is a defensive coach. and we can have a different culture forward.
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At our draft spot, we're looking to improving at the 3 spot. Come FA, we might be able to upgrade the PG and C spot. It depends if Jose is dealt and any other trades that take place. For me, the C spot has to be addressed. The C is the anchor of the defense.
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At our draft spot, we're looking to improving at the 3 spot. Come FA, we might be able to upgrade the PG and C spot. It depends if Jose is dealt and any other trades that take place. For me, the C spot has to be addressed. The C is the anchor of the defense.
C will only be addressed if probably 2 of bargs/amir/ed/and reggie leave the team because those 4 are pretty much the big man rotation and even if reggie is gone and the end of the season and your defensive C comes in there really isn't enough room to have him play with significant minutes
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C will only be addressed if probably 2 of bargs/amir/ed/and reggie leave the team because those 4 are pretty much the big man rotation and even if reggie is gone and the end of the season and your defensive C comes in there really isn't enough room to have him play with significant minutes
That's true, and I don't think we want to lose Ed and Amir. I can see Reggie being dealt and Bargs if traded to GS for Curry :P. This is quite the predicament, but for me the C needs to be addressed if we want to get good defensively.
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Sign: Irving
Trade: Bayless
FA: Tyson Chandler, Marc Gasol,
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Sign: Irving
Trade: Bayless
FA: Tyson Chandler, Marc Gasol,
You mean draft Kyrie Irving? You can't sign him until you've drafted him...?

As for your list, it's decent. Your entitled too your opinion, but I would definetly put Jordan in FA, and Bargnani in trade, but the likelihood of that happening is slim too none.
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Trade: Bayless
FA: Tyson Chandler, Marc Gasol,
this makes no sense if we are keeping bargs, amir, and ed
you can't have 5 bigs playing 2 positions, especially if you consider amir and ed a significant part of this team, then there's no time for your 2 FAs
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