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Team Playoffs |
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34 | 77.27% |
Team Tank |
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10 | 22.73% |
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#23 (permalink) |
at MSG failing a pointless 360 degree dunk during
a losing streak
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![]() I'd have to agree....we should take MU at his word that he won't tank. The other thing he said is that we won't be caught in no man's land. The two together would suggest growth, asset collection, free agency and dealing to improve the team. The tank is in fact the only thing that MU has outright rejected.
Some may think it's too really, but the one thing that has already changed is the culture. I can't think of one guy on this team that does not want to go to work. I hope that guys like Amir, JV, Demar, even new guys like Salmons and Patterson can show a guy like Ross that the light needs to be on 24/7. And I think if you really want it, the organization is one that could help a guy elevate his game in every area on and off the court. (nutrition, conditioning, approach, etc) Sorry some people can't see the show Open Gym. MU said no more excuses, complaining about silly things like going through customs, no more gossip and blaming, or..."There's the door." Lazy and selfish are gone. Who's next? Last edited by Deez; 12-28-2013 at 03:44 PM. |
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This is where it starts. |
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is pounding the rock!
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![]() I completely agree with this as well. There is a sort of pride that we're seeing with most of the players, aside from a couple of our expressionless folks like Salmons and Lowry to an extent. Watching the games, you get a sense that they really believe in themselves, and the effort is that we've been seeing makes it worthwhile to continue to watch the games. I'm not saying I didn't like Rudy, but this team is much more balanced and I haven't experienced the same kind of frustration when tuning in.
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La Decima!!!!!
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I really hope he has more tricks up his sleeve as well because this team could become like the Hawks or the Bucks for the next few years. |
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whatever
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![]() if only you'd read as many posts as you write
![]() two have said it in this topic alone, before my post. Here's one of them: Quote:
you'd think we're Indiana based on comments like this. If anything, it may actually be easier to tank this season that most thought, because it appears that few teams are able to shed assets like they hoped. We're not along in failing to do that, Orlando, Philly and probably Boston are all trying without success (so far). Without lowry, we'd have won none of the games we won lately. As long as we trade him and some of the bench guys, we'd be instant bottom feeder. He's by far our best player this season and, unfortunately, our bench is strengthen by a bunch of players that have no future here, so they only bring empty wins for us. |
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La Decima!!!!!
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I honestly don't know why some people even bother watching the games if they just want the Raps to suck and lose. Masochists! Identify yourselves! :jack: |
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This recent stretch has actually made me start watching games again on a regular basis... whereas the last 2 years very nearly killed my interest in the franchise. |
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I know all non tank nation thinks Masai is a genius and will be able to right the ship without a lotto pick, but everyone thought the same of BC when he first got here too, and look how that turned out. I just think it's a lot easier for us to rebuild correctly with a top 5 pick, Jonas, Ross etc than having another mid round pick, losing Lowry for nothing, and having limited assets to be able to trade to make us better, which is what I'm sensing a lot of people want right now, is to keep Lowry and see how it plays out, which is IMO by far the worst thing that can happen, but likely will based on our franchises past history of making all the wrong decisions. |
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![]() Lmao at the turnaround in votes. Just don't get too down when this team goes through a slump, which will inevitably happen.
For the record, I'm was & still am on Team Playoffs. |
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effin' ineffable
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You ask what's that got to do with anything and then suggest that some completely unrelated things have something to do with the future of this team. You do not have to make any decision. Nor do I. Nor does Bryan, thank the sweet blue heavens. Masai does. If you want to offer reasons why that might be a bad thing then fire away. I will wait with great anticipation. |
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Is sick and tired of Casey
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I believe that trying to get a high pick is the better way, but claiming that it's the only way and everything else is destined to fail is ridiculous. Same as claiming that winning culture is the only way to the promised land. There are so many variables, that we can't predict (nobody can), but we have to ask ourselves if we trust the man in charge to make right decisions when the time comes. Masai is cleaning the mess that was left by BC. He is making trades to create capspace and adding (looking to add) draft picks/young talent. Eventually that will get us that star who we can build around. 2014 draft is when Jesus walks on water, but it's not the end of the world. There will be many more drafts and those future picks will pay off. If we are going to go and fight for playoffs I will be fine with it, but until we know for sure my tank is strong and ready |
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payin Dwyane Wade
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![]() Tanking was possible after we traded Gay. Immediately after. Then we went 7-3. SEVEN AND THREE. We beat LAL, Phi, Chi, Dal, OKC, NKY x 2 and lost to SAS x 2 and CHA by 2. Five wins on the road. 13-15. 13-15 is through the HARDEST part of the schedule (except the last 2 games). 54 games left.
Lets assume for the tank crowd we tank now and trade Lowry tomorrow. Lets also assume we make trades to make us the 4th worse. The knicks sit at .300 win percentage and thats 4th worse and a nice round number. 54 wins x .300 is 16 wins. That puts us at 29 wins for the year. Last year that would put us 7-9th tied at 29 with 2 others depedning on how the ball rolls. Last year there were not teams trying to race to the bottom as much as this year so for every trade we make you can expect at least a few teams try to match. Being 4th wose for the rest of the year puts us at a final winning percentage of .353 or currently 8th last. Not 1st, not 3rd, 8th. 8th like where we always end up. Now if your the GM of this team after a 7-3 run, with most of those on the road and some against very difficult teams, would you trade Lowry tomorrow? That's not sane unless it was a great deal. And a great deal means a young useful player back which only make us not lose as fast. Lets say we lose the next 4 and win 1 which we are supposed to. Would any GM make a decision based on those? Not likely he would wait until the January schedule which after that is INCREDIBLY soft in comparison. Each 2 wins after that drops our draft place 1 place to probabaly 9th, 10th or 11th. So with every single win, the idea of tank become more and more preposterous. so if you are going to respond to this logic, answer first if you would trade Lowry after this run. Most people as MU would wait until they see January play out without a stellar offer for an expiring player in Lowry. IF we do somehow manage to trade Lowry TOMORRROW does it make us 4th worst? No. It doesn't make us as that bad. Maybe 6th worst being optimistic (or pesimistic?)? But that's still more wins dropping us a couple more draft places. We would likley have to trade 2 or Lowry, Amir and DD and get almost no useful players back to tank that bad. And do we get nothing useful back? Not likely but lets assume we do. So for the tank crowd still out there... if everything went PERFECT we might finish 8th last, mayeb slightly worse. And since we probabaly would also have to trade 2 players it would take longer and maybe 10th worse. Thats NO Wiggins, Parker and no franchise player (without being stupid lucky but who would blow up their team for that with a SANE mind). The 7-3 run killed the tank and any reasonable chances at a top 5 pick. and January is just going to finish killing it off, whether we stay .700, .500 or even .400. It doesn't matter what side you started on, or where you are now, its dead. If we traded Lowry right after Gay, we may have been still be able to talk about tanking. We didn't. So, its over, its dead. Don't care how much anyone wants it, it ain't going to happen anymore. We could still trade Lowry for future picks and players. And Amir or DD. But those players are pretty young too. And it would probabaly make our future brighter if would could grab 2 more good unprotected 1st round picks in the next 3 years. But trying to lose this year for a top 5 pick in this years draft is pretty much not happening no matter what we try to do if it wasn't already done. I was on board for the tank at one point... now I just think its too late and this... ![]() |
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