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Old 02-12-2011, 12:36 AM   #41 (permalink)
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keep eddy D, Amir, DD, Bayless, Jose(until end of contract), barbosa, weems. all stated are good for the raps. as they improve, so shall our records in upcoming seasons(reference to rookies). Barbie and jose, good quality vets to have on your team. weems, bayless, will always be bench players but good ones at that. keep em, but dont over pay unless you're in a contention situation in which case its best to not change your team around too much. rest of the players will develop into something special. probably not stars, possibly all stars. only problem is that Davis and Amir play the same situation. if we can get a 260 pound, 7 foot likes to play in the paint centre great. have a duo at PF which will be feared in the league in 2-3 years. if not to above, we will never contend, unless davis grows an inch and adds 20 pounds of muscle.
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:57 PM   #42 (permalink)
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DD, amir, davis, bayless, barbosa. everyone else is expendable.
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Old 02-12-2011, 09:57 PM   #43 (permalink)
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DD, amir, davis, bayless, barbosa. everyone else is expendable.
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Old 02-13-2011, 05:05 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I'm confused ... there isn't much to build on at this time.
We have no legit starters ... maybe Davis and DD can improve to be worthy starters.
Bargs could be a decent 6th man on a strong club.
Amir is a also a decent bench player and will never be better (too small).
Bayless is a crap shoot ... who knows.
The rest are DOA.
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Old 02-13-2011, 06:57 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I'm confused ... there isn't much to build on at this time.
We have no legit starters ... maybe Davis and DD can improve to be worthy starters.
Bargs could be a decent 6th man on a strong club.
Amir is a also a decent bench player and will never be better (too small).
Bayless is a crap shoot ... who knows.
The rest are DOA.
Seriously, is there one player on the Raptors that would be a starter on a contending team like BOS, DAL, ORL, SA, LAL, etc? That's the true measure of how good your team is.

How is it that you've been a GM for 5 years and you have zero starter-quality players on your team after your star has left? At least CLE has Varejao and Moe Williams (both injured this year). No wonder Bosh wanted to get the hell out among other reasons.
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Old 02-13-2011, 07:04 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Seriously, is there one player on the Raptors that would be a starter on a contending team like BOS, DAL, ORL, SA, LAL, etc? That's the true measure of how good your team is.

How is it that you've been a GM for 5 years and you have zero starter-quality players on your team after your star has left? At least CLE has Varejao and Moe Williams (both injured this year). No wonder Bosh wanted to get the hell out among other reasons.
Pretty sure Amir, Barg and Demar could be starters in a contending team.
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Old 02-13-2011, 07:27 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Pretty sure Amir, Barg and Demar could be starters in a contending team.
You've got to be kidding, right?

- SA would start Amir over Blair, Barg over Duncan, Demar over Ginobili?
- LAL would start Amir over Gasol, Barg over Bynum, Demar over Bryant?
- BOS would start Amir over Garnett, Barg over Perkins, Demar over Allen?
- DAL would start Amir over Dirk, Barg over Chandler, Demar over Terry/Beaubois?
- ORL would start Amir over Turkoglu, Barg over Howard, Demar over Richardson?
- MIA would start Amir over Bosh, Barg over Z/Anthony (ok maybe), Demar over Wade?
- UT would start Amir over Milsap, Barg over Jefferson/Okur when he gets back, Demar over Bell?
- ATL would start Amir over Smith, Barg over Horford, Demar over J. Johnson?
- NYY would start Amir over Stoudemire, Barg over Mozgov/Turiaf (ok maybe), Demar over Fields?
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:46 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Utah would start DeMar over Raja in a second. A guy like DeMar is exactly what we need because we've been forcing CJ Miles in that position for a year now.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:05 PM   #49 (permalink)
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You've got to be kidding, right?

- SA would start Amir over Blair, Barg over Duncan, Demar over Ginobili?
- LAL would start Amir over Gasol, Barg over Bynum, Demar over Bryant?
- BOS would start Amir over Garnett, Barg over Perkins, Demar over Allen?
- DAL would start Amir over Dirk, Barg over Chandler, Demar over Terry/Beaubois?
- ORL would start Amir over Turkoglu, Barg over Howard, Demar over Richardson?
- MIA would start Amir over Bosh, Barg over Z/Anthony (ok maybe), Demar over Wade?
- UT would start Amir over Milsap, Barg over Jefferson/Okur when he gets back, Demar over Bell?
- ATL would start Amir over Smith, Barg over Horford, Demar over J. Johnson?
- NYY would start Amir over Stoudemire, Barg over Mozgov/Turiaf (ok maybe), Demar over Fields?
I would consider all of the bolded parts, very debateable.

You must also consider that this is only Demar's second year, so there is lot's of room to grow there.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:19 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:19 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Seriously, nobody put Bargs on their "to keep" list? I'm all for trading him for Blake Griffin or John Wall, but, seeing as those options aren't on the table and never will be, what exactly are we giving him away for?

Sure he's had a bad slump this season, but he's a great shooter and one of the few Raptors that can make his own shot. As I said in another thread he's not the key piece on a great team but he can certainly be a key piece of a good team! He would look so good at centre on the Heat it's not even funny, for example.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:24 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:30 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Seriously, nobody put Bargs on their "to keep" list? I'm all for trading him for Blake Griffin or John Wall, but, seeing as those options aren't on the table and never will be, what exactly are we giving him away for?

Sure he's had a bad slump this season, but he's a great shooter and one of the few Raptors that can make his own shot. As I said in another thread he's not the key piece on a great team but he can certainly be a key piece of a good team! He would look so good at centre on the Heat it's not even funny, for example.
I don't think Andrea would thrive getting yelled at all day every day by the big three. His ho-hum attitude to D and rebounding isn't going to get Pat Reilly attention. I think he would look worse then he does here.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:32 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Seriously, nobody put Bargs on their "to keep" list? I'm all for trading him for Blake Griffin or John Wall, but, seeing as those options aren't on the table and never will be, what exactly are we giving him away for?

Sure he's had a bad slump this season, but he's a great shooter and one of the few Raptors that can make his own shot. As I said in another thread he's not the key piece on a great team but he can certainly be a key piece of a good team! He would look so good at centre on the Heat it's not even funny, for example.
I'd have to disagree with this statement.

Bargnani is a very versatile scorer, but his defensive and rebounding skills are not up to par with that of his scoring ability. Because of this, Bargnani, in my opinion, would be a terrible fit on the Heat. The touches are very limited for those not named Lebron, Dwayne, and to a smaller extent, Chris. Since Bargnani is not much of a rebounder or defender, he would serve little to no purpose on a team that has an abundunce of scorers, which Bargnani, for the most part, is.

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Old 02-14-2011, 02:05 AM   #55 (permalink)
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I would consider all of the bolded parts, very debateable.

You must also consider that this is only Demar's second year, so there is lot's of room to grow there.
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Pretty sure Amir, Barg and Demar could be starters in a contending team.
So right now, Derozan wouldn't be a starter on any contending team.

There's no way any contending team like NY, DAL, and UT would start someone at SG who doesn't have 3-pt. range. TOR is the only team in the NBA that starts a guy without 3-pt range at SG. TOR also doesn't even have a SF with 3-pt. range now that Kleiza is out. How ridiculous is it to have two of your perimeter players without 3-pt. range? SG & SF are usually your main sources of 3-pointers. TOR is the only team in the NBA that has this problem. No wonder they suck so bad.

Also, SA and ORL would most definitely start Blair and Bass/Turkoglu respectively over Johnson. Unlike Johnson, all those guys have at least some semblance of a post game and shooting range beyond 1 ft., plus they don't foul every 3 seconds.

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Old 02-14-2011, 02:33 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Amir. Amir wouldn't be a starter on any team. All teams has better PF. Maybe, maybe he would start in Indiana and Phoenix. Orlando has Anderson and Bass at PF, and Amir is not worse than they, but both, Bass and Anderson are better fit to Magic Princeton.

Bargs. First of all, remember Bargs is actually a PF. I bet he would start in Orlando (like Lewis did), in NY (NY is contender?), OKC and MIA.

Derozan. No way he can start in NY. Remember they have Azubuike. He is not better than Derozan but he is better fit, can defend and shoot 3s. NY already has their leaders, they need solid body on D.
Derozan over Bell in Utah? Yes, I think so.
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Old 02-15-2011, 01:58 PM   #57 (permalink)
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You've got to be kidding, right?

- SA would start Amir over Blair, Barg over Duncan, Demar over Ginobili?
- LAL would start Amir over Gasol, Barg over Bynum, Demar over Bryant?
- BOS would start Amir over Garnett, Barg over Perkins, Demar over Allen?
- DAL would start Amir over Dirk, Barg over Chandler, Demar over Terry/Beaubois?
- ORL would start Amir over Turkoglu, Barg over Howard, Demar over Richardson?
- MIA would start Amir over Bosh, Barg over Z/Anthony (ok maybe), Demar over Wade?
- UT would start Amir over Milsap, Barg over Jefferson/Okur when he gets back, Demar over Bell?
- ATL would start Amir over Smith, Barg over Horford, Demar over J. Johnson?
- NYY would start Amir over Stoudemire, Barg over Mozgov/Turiaf (ok maybe), Demar over Fields?
SA would start Bargnani and DeRozan over Blair and Jefferson
LA would start DeRozan over Artest
DAL would start DeRozan over any winger they're starting (Stevenson, Peja, whoever)
ORL would start Bargnani over Ryan Anderson
Miami would start Bargnani over any C they have
UT would start Bargnani over Okur, DeRozan over Bell
ATL would start DeRozan over Williams or Evans (SF)
NY would start Bargnani no matter what other centers they could have, DeMar over Fields

You gotta stop thinking that Raptors' players are a piece of crap. How many 7 footers can put the ball on the floor, get by people, finish at the rim, shoot fade aways and face up J's? Bargnani is second among all centers in the league in scoring.
The Suns got to the WCF starting Channing Frye, just because he could shoot. He's not half of the player Andrea is.

DeMar DeRozan is one of the brightest upcoming stars in this league. Along with Tyreke Evans, Monta Ellis and Dwayne Wade, he's as explosive and physically talented as any SG can get. He's also showing nice improvement, developing a terrific mid range jumper and getting to the line often. In my mind there's no way he won't be a 20ppg player for the next 10 years.

It's too early to make a judgment on Ed Davis, although it's not a shame to say he'll be at least a very good contributor. He's showing terrific quickness and hustle, both skills that combined with his soft touch near the bastket will make him a valuable player for our future
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SA would start Bargnani and DeRozan over Blair and Jefferson
LA would start DeRozan over Artest
DAL would start DeRozan over any winger they're starting (Stevenson, Peja, whoever)
ORL would start Bargnani over Ryan Anderson
Miami would start Bargnani over any C they have
UT would start Bargnani over Okur, DeRozan over Bell
ATL would start DeRozan over Williams or Evans (SF)
NY would start Bargnani no matter what other centers they could have, DeMar over Fields

You gotta stop thinking that Raptors' players are a piece of crap. How many 7 footers can put the ball on the floor, get by people, finish at the rim, shoot fade aways and face up J's? Bargnani is second among all centers in the league in scoring.The Suns got to the WCF starting Channing Frye, just because he could shoot. He's not half of the player Andrea is.

DeMar DeRozan is one of the brightest upcoming stars in this league. Along with Tyreke Evans, Monta Ellis and Dwayne Wade, he's as explosive and physically talented as any SG can get. He's also showing nice improvement, developing a terrific mid range jumper and getting to the line often. In my mind there's no way he won't be a 20ppg player for the next 10 years.

It's too early to make a judgment on Ed Davis, although it's not a shame to say he'll be at least a very good contributor. He's showing terrific quickness and hustle, both skills that combined with his soft touch near the bastket will make him a valuable player for our future
SA would NOT start Bargs and DD over blair and jefferson
LA one is a maybe
DAL, only because caron got injured
ORL would NOT start Bargs over anderson. they're one of the top defensive teams in the league. ORL wouldn't even want bargs. they're a team with a domanint C surrounded by 3 point shooters and we all know how good Bargs is being a spot up three point shooter
MIA would not start Bargs at center. same reasoning as ORL being a good defensive team and not enuff touches to go around on offensive with the big 3(2.5) and Bargs is useless in an offensive when he isn't the 1st option
UT okur is injured and not playing and when healthy no way Bargs starts over him
ATL maybe
NY fans will be way more harsher on Bargs then TO fans and no way DD starts over fields. he's a hustle guy and a fan fav

scoring has never been a problem with AB (altho this season its shown it has). its always been his defence/effort/rebounding. i think we learned alot about Bargnani this season. which was the point, to see what kind of player we have in Bargs and its shown that he's not as effect being anything past the 1st option and if hes a 1st option on ur team, ur team ain't going no where. so conclusion: he's just a number 1 option for the bench unit
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SA would NOT start Bargs and DD over blair and jefferson
LA one is a maybe
DAL, only because caron got injured
ORL would NOT start Bargs over anderson. they're one of the top defensive teams in the league. ORL wouldn't even want bargs. they're a team with a domanint C surrounded by 3 point shooters and we all know how good Bargs is being a spot up three point shooter
MIA would not start Bargs at center. same reasoning as ORL being a good defensive team and not enuff touches to go around on offensive with the big 3(2.5) and Bargs is useless in an offensive when he isn't the 1st option
UT okur is injured and not playing and when healthy no way Bargs starts over him
ATL maybe
NY fans will be way more harsher on Bargs then TO fans and no way DD starts over fields. he's a hustle guy and a fan fav

scoring has never been a problem with AB (altho this season its shown it has). its always been his defence/effort/rebounding. i think we learned alot about Bargnani this season. which was the point, to see what kind of player we have in Bargs and its shown that he's not as effect being anything past the 1st option and if hes a 1st option on ur team, ur team ain't going no where. so conclusion: he's just a number 1 option for the bench unit
you answer like you're the guy making the decisions, when in fact none of your statements have any legitimacy. lol....
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you answer like you're the guy making the decisions, when in fact none of your statements have any legitimacy. lol....
thats true, i'm not the guy making the decisions but how are my opinions back up by basketball/nba knowledge and analysis not legitimat?

why would SA start AB and DD over blair and jefferson?
would AB start over a healthy caron?
ORL, MIA same explanation above
UT has always had a system in place and they only bring in players they feel fit and i don't think Bargs is the kind of player that would fit there
NY, i don't see anything wrong with what i said
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