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Old 10-19-2012, 12:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Do we have a problem with player development? Our recent draft picks haven't exactly shown dramatic improvements, from andrea to demar and ed and even acquired guys like bayless etc

Is this even something a team can control all that much? You look at SAS and the success they had with their drafting program, is that mostly because of who they draft, or they are doing something very right about developing those young players (compared to the average franchise)?

I'm not very convinced there's a ton of things a team can do to develop a player (above and beyond the standard stuff that all teams do like creating development programs etc).
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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on the other side of the spectrum, you have a team like SAC that has a ton of players who are clearly very talented, and yet they don't seem to grow to match their talent on paper.
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You're just a massive pessimist. This team has many faults but player development isnt one of them. Look at ed Davis, heel show u this year what a true training camp and regular season practice with our team does for u. Look at armor Johnson. He couldn't make a 3 foot shot, now 18 feet shots are wet for him. Derozan first year.. remember that? We have much bigger issues than our development team
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:24 PM   #4 (permalink)
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No I agree. Hate as much as you like on Traino but he developed players. It's because Casey is focused on winning (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) that he neglects playing our prospects and opts to put in scrubs like Butler.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:49 PM   #5 (permalink)
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No I agree. Hate as much as you like on Traino but he developed players. It's because Casey is focused on winning (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) that he neglects playing our prospects and opts to put in scrubs like Butler.
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Look at ed Davis, heel show u this year what a true training camp and regular season practice with our team does for u.
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Not that. you can't disprove his theory by using something that might not happen. And anyone expecting an explosion by Ed Davis like what was supposed to happen the last two years with DD.... ummmm..... yeah. Calibrate.
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:03 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Not that. you can't disprove his theory by using something that might not happen. And anyone expecting an explosion by Ed Davis like what was supposed to happen the last two years with DD.... ummmm..... yeah. Calibrate.
I'm just saying it is forgotten that the guy missed training camp in his rookie season and part of the season and then went through a pseudo-training camp with a new coach in his sophomore season.
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:12 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I'm just saying it is forgotten that the guy missed training camp in his rookie season and part of the season and then went through a pseudo-training camp with a new coach in his sophomore season.
I don't think it's forgotten. It's on Ed to be professional and get his work in. The offseason is where guys have the time to get stronger and really continually drill to develop skillsets.

I think Ed will be better, but my expectations are tempered at this point. I've grown to appreciate Amir's game more.

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You need a well-defined core in place, along with a good culture from top to bottom from what I can tell. That is the advantage a team like SA has had. And they haven't had success with everything they touched. But it is generally easier for young players to figure out their proper roles that they can grow within, in a situation like that.

From what I've seen of Demar and Ed so far this season, I think the addition of talent, and an edging towards defining that core, on top of the culture that was established last season, has already paid off. I'm not suggesting any explosions will happen. I don't even know what that means. I know people thought Vince exploded, but all throughout that explosion there were a good deal of mediocre games, and his team underachieved. If we get a group of guys that figure out how to win together that will be preferable in my mind, and set the team toward long-term success.
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I don't think it's forgotten. It's on Ed to be professional and get his work in. The offseason is where guys have the time to get stronger and really continually drill to develop skillsets.

I think Ed will be better, but my expectations are tempered at this point. I've grown to appreciate Amir's game more.
fair enough.

Amir is a solid all around player. He's had to work a lot to get to where he is now.
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You need a well-defined core in place, along with a good culture from top to bottom from what I can tell. That is the advantage a team like SA has had. And they haven't had success with everything they touched. But it is generally easier for young players to figure out their proper roles that they can grow within, in a situation like that.

From what I've seen of Demar and Ed so far this season, I think the addition of talent, and an edging towards defining that core, on top of the culture that was established last season, has already paid off. I'm not suggesting any explosions will happen. I don't even know what that means. I know people thought Vince exploded, but all throughout that explosion there were a good deal of mediocre games, and his team underachieved. If we get a group of guys that figure out how to win together that will be preferable in my mind, and set the team toward long-term success.
Vince also had some serious veteran star power around him in Dell, Oakley and AD. Nobody on Toronto has had a whiff of that type of mentorship
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:50 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Our players certainly developed, but they are all under-rated as Raps are not winning much games. If Raps can make it to playoff, people will recognize the development of our young players and start showing some respects to them
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:22 PM   #14 (permalink)
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No I agree. Hate as much as you like on Traino but he developed players. It's because Casey is focused on winning (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) that he neglects playing our prospects and opts to put in scrubs like Butler.
Not true. Casey ALWAYS says instead of focusing on winning, they first want to make sure the team properly runs through offensive plays and defensive sets properly and accordingly, and if that didn't equal a win that's ok. If the prospects can't do that properly, they shouldn't be playing. I never understood inserting Butler into games but it ended up as everyone expected and he was waived.
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Vince also had some serious veteran star power around him in Dell, Oakley and AD. Nobody on Toronto has had a whiff of that type of mentorship
Yep that made a difference. If only they had an established culture. Instead they relied on overpaying too many of them to stay beyond their prime, and it all fizzled.
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