Personalities Clash in the Toronto Locker Room
Old 11-30-2009, 04:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
wondering why he gets so much hate???? Freedom of speech right???

Senior Member
 
nathanapes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 349
Representing:
Question Personalities Clash in the Toronto Locker Room

Bargs YEAR 4 Min FG% FT% 3PT% REB AST ST BLK PPG
09-10 TOR 33.1 47.9 90.0 40.5 6.4 1.1 0.4 1.2 17.2

Nowitzki YEAR 4 Min FG% FT% 3PT% REB AST ST BLK PPG
01-02 DAL 38.0 47.7 85.3 39.7 9.9 2.5 1.1 1.0 23.4

Bargs Is not that far off from Nowitzki. Since Bosh wants to work in the paint Bargs doesn't get that many rebounds, since he has to bring his man out. You noticed in Nowitzki's game he'll post people out near the free throw line and hit his fade away jumpers. You also see a difference in point production because Bargs is the 2 option on offence, but Nowitzki is and was 1a. Bargs just has to work on his rotations and rebounding, and he'll be just as good as Dirk. That's why I know BC won't trade Bargs, because he knows that Bosh is as good as gone.

Now lets have a look at KG and Bosh
Bosh YEAR 7 Min FG% FT% 3PT% REB AST ST BLK PPG
09-10 TOR 35.8 49.4 75.4 60.0 12.2 1.6 0.5 1.1 25.4

Garnett Year 7 Min FG% FT% 3PT% REB AST ST BLK PPG
01-02 MIN 39.2 47.0 80.1 31.9 12.1 5.2 1.2 1.6 21.2
Very similar players, but you notice how KG has more assists. Anyways we have a dilemma here. We gotta choose between KG or Dirk. On this hand Dirk is locked up for a pretty reasonable contract. On the Other hand KG is a beast on the glass, and gets to line with ease. Both of these power forwards on their natural teams are coupled with defensive centers. Perkins, Dampier/Bradley. So who do we keep as our franchise player, because one of them has to go.
nathanapes is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 04:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
'twas a dream

teenage dirtbag
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: markham ontario canada
Posts: 546
Representing:
Default

its not all about stats, Bosh is no where near garnet and Bargs is not where near dirk. However, i think you hit a very important point, Bosh and Bargs cannot work together. Don't take it wrong tho, they are both great players, but together they just can't work. In order for either of them to be effective, they have to be paired up with another big defensive player. I think its time to chose which one we like more and send the other packing
tommysdu is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 04:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
wondering why he gets so much hate???? Freedom of speech right???

Senior Member
 
nathanapes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 349
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tommysdu View Post
its not all about stats, Bosh is no where near garnet and Bargs is not where near dirk. However, i think you hit a very important point, Bosh and Bargs cannot work together. Don't take it wrong tho, they are both great players, but together they just can't work. In order for either of them to be effective, they have to be paired up with another big defensive player. I think its time to chose which one we like more and send the other packing
Keep in mind KG brought the defensive mentality to Boston. I did not see any of that stuff in Minnesota. But you hit the nail right on the head. Who's as good as gone??
nathanapes is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 05:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
'twas a dream

teenage dirtbag
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: markham ontario canada
Posts: 546
Representing:
Default

i dont think we have a choice, colengelo is in love with bargs. I on the other hand will go with bosh, he is the better player right now. Bargs likes to disappear on offense a lot, and defensively, he's not as good as bosh. (thats not saying much tho)
tommysdu is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 05:44 PM   #5 (permalink)
"Fake All-Star"

Senior Member
 
TORaptor4Ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 16,432
Representing:
Default

Dirk would be pissed to even hear Bargs mentioned in the same breath as him.

Bargs has a LOOOOOOOOOONNNNGGGGGG way to go before he even sniffs Dirk's level of play.
TORaptor4Ever is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 05:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
comfortably numb

Member
 
spuriousjones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 346
Representing:
Default

ab and cb can work together.

if Bosh would play like he did for coach k—unlikely in his contract year—you have the type of pairing people are calling for.

beyond that, i think the whole team would improve their defense if they were more greatly incorporated into the offense. it keeps them involved and interested.
spuriousjones is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 06:09 PM   #7 (permalink)
is in the cut

Senior Member
 
Stonezz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 9,086
Representing:
Default

If we had some pretty good/sick athletic dudes with good perimeter D at the 1,2,3 I think it could work. Cant work with this group though.
Stonezz is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 06:43 PM   #8 (permalink)
a Raptors fan

Free DeMar DeRozan

 
zachus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,833
Representing:
Default

Dirk is an all-time great, Bargnani is a seven footer who can score.

CB also does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as KG.

The numbers are there but the comparisons are miles off.
zachus is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 07:01 PM   #9 (permalink)
Bmats7
is pounding the rock! (Edit)

Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zachus View Post
Dirk is an all-time great, Bargnani is a seven footer who can score.

CB also does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as KG.

The numbers are there but the comparisons are miles off.
Why can Bosh not be mentioned in the same breathe as KG? I'm not saying he's as good as KG but Bosh is a 4 time all-star + olympian.. at his age he's done what Garnett has done. Garnett is not one of those greatest players of all time in the NBA like Chamberlain, Russel, Jordan, Shaq, Duncan etc.

So Bosh can be mentioned in the same breathe as KG. Give him 2 other all-stars and 2 up and coming beasts (like Garnett has), and you'll see how good Bosh is.

How does a team of Derrick Rose/Bradon Roy/Granger/Bosh/Perkins look?

2 all-stars (Roy, Granger) and 2 up and coming (Rose, Perkins) alongside Bosh.
  Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 07:11 PM   #10 (permalink)
LX
synapse jelly

In the Paint


 
LX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 28,715
Representing:
Default

Bosh looks pretty close to what KG was at this point in his career. And with the assists, well Bosh loses out on a lot of those since almost all of the passes that come out of his double teams, lead to a second pass as it should.

If Bargnani gets labeled even anything like a potential franchise player anymore, Ima gonna be sick.
LX is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 09:14 PM   #11 (permalink)
whatever

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: toronto
Posts: 9,663
Representing:
Default

I'm pretty sure not even his hardcore fans considered dirk an all time great in his 3rd season. Bargani is more naturally gifted than nowitzki is, and he's still young. It's not impossible for him to equal nowitzki at some point down the road. In fact, all it takes is for this team to start winning 50+ games and the comparisons will start never stop ...
moremilk is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 09:17 PM   #12 (permalink)
whatever

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: toronto
Posts: 9,663
Representing:
Default

and Bosh is just like garnett without the defense and intensity. Kind of like saying that vince Carter is like kobe bryant. There's always that hardcore vince fan who will look at the numbers and conclude that they're basically the same, and vince is not that bad of a defender and he's a better passer and a better 3pt shooter and so on.

but most fans know that the difference between Carter and kobe is a lot bigger than the stats show.
moremilk is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 09:31 PM   #13 (permalink)
Bmats7
is pounding the rock! (Edit)

Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by moremilk View Post

but most fans know that the difference between Carter and kobe is a lot bigger than the stats show.
The difference has been not playing with Shaq/ a post that can play in the post.

This is Vince's year to prove everything really.

And also the difference is that Vince doesn't rape girls. . *this one's for you Dann*
  Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 10:51 PM   #14 (permalink)
Jimmy Butler IS The Phantom Menace.

Lackey
 
Ammo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: The Mighty North Tundra
Posts: 3,637
Representing:
Quote:
Originally Posted by tommysdu View Post
i dont think we have a choice, colengelo is in love with bargs. I on the other hand will go with bosh, he is the better player right now. Bargs likes to disappear on offense a lot, and defensively, he's not as good as bosh. (thats not saying much tho)
I agree. What would it take for Colangelo to trade Bargs? He seems like he might live and die with him. But to add to it, Chris Bosh has higher aspirations while Bargs seems to be happy if he just makes the all star team one day. I'd expect players to just keep changing around him and he remains the constant.
Ammo is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2009, 11:10 PM   #15 (permalink)
is on that grind

Senior Member
 
jumplvlan23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,053
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by •LX• View Post
If Bargnani gets labeled even anything like a potential franchise player anymore, Ima gonna be sick.
Couldn't agree with you more.
jumplvlan23 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2009, 12:57 AM   #16 (permalink)
feeling the wind

Senior Member
 
LJkAze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,809
Representing:
Default

Is there a way we can get Shaq to Toronto to play with Bosh? Doesn't seem Shaq can plays much of a big roll with Lebron but how well would Shaq do with Bosh is my main question ^_^?

Quote:
Originally Posted by •LX•
If Bargnani gets labeled even anything like a potential franchise player anymore, Ima gonna be sick.
Though he's a rookie I wish DD will be our next franchise player someday rather then Bargs; there's a reason for Jay starting him and like Jay said in one of the interview "I wish we can find the cocoon he's been hiding" that means we need to find his hidden potential so he can burst.

Last edited by LJkAze; 12-01-2009 at 01:07 AM.
LJkAze is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2009, 01:06 AM   #17 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
highonpsi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 7,048
Representing:
Default

trade Bosh asap
highonpsi is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2009, 02:21 AM   #18 (permalink)
wondering why he gets so much hate???? Freedom of speech right???

Senior Member
 
nathanapes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 349
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by •LX• View Post
Bosh looks pretty close to what KG was at this point in his career. And with the assists, well Bosh loses out on a lot of those since almost all of the passes that come out of his double teams, lead to a second pass as it should.

If Bargnani gets labeled even anything like a potential franchise player anymore, Ima gonna be sick.
I think Bargs will be able to play some quality D soon, someone just needs to show him how. And it's not going to be Marc Ivaroni (coached Memphis to a 26-56 record)
nathanapes is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2009, 02:23 AM   #19 (permalink)
wondering why he gets so much hate???? Freedom of speech right???

Senior Member
 
nathanapes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 349
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LJkAze View Post
Is there a way we can get Shaq to Toronto to play with Bosh? Doesn't seem Shaq can plays much of a big roll with Lebron but how well would Shaq do with Bosh is my main question ^_^?


Though he's a rookie I wish DD will be our next franchise player someday rather then Bargs; there's a reason for Jay starting him and like Jay said in one of the interview "I wish we can find the cocoon he's been hiding" that means we need to find his hidden potential so he can burst.
Honestly I haven't seen any flashes of potential from Derozan. The dude's a grea athlete but he thinks he can shoot. Just drive!! He's MIA on offense, i feel as we got another joey graham.
nathanapes is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Gun in Gilbert Arena's locker TOAO NBA Talk 5 12-26-2009 04:22 PM
Discuss: Locker Room Clean Up Hatdy Toronto Raptors 8 04-16-2009 12:01 PM
Raptors Locker Room Tour Windex Toronto Raptors 6 12-17-2008 01:18 PM
Locker Clean-Out Press Conference Acie Toronto Raptors 13 04-29-2008 07:25 PM
Donyell, P.J. Carlesimo Clash On Bench Dr. J. Naismith NBA Talk 5 03-06-2008 12:53 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24