Paul Jones: Reputation Calls
Old 01-08-2010, 01:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Yes, the Magic came roaring back in the fourth quarter, part of it due to some suspect play and decision-making by the Raptors and the other ingredient was a little help from the officiating, but in the end, Toronto made plays to secure the win. I guess that's what happens when reputations kick in during the fourth quarter.

Andrea Bargnani did a good job of battling Dwight Howard one-on-one defensively in the post, which leads me to believe this could be more of a regular occurrence, if the big Italian shows he can perform consistently in that respect. Can you imagine what being able to play with full-time single coverage down low in the post would mean to the overall defence?

Bargnani's play helped Toronto execute the game plan to perfection as Howard scored his points, 20 of them, but the Raptors were able to tag Orlando's three-point shooters, limiting the barrage that has done them in previously against the Magic. Orlando shot 9-of-31 from behind the arc. Maybe it's a telling stat that when the Magic make 10 or more three-point field goals they are 15-5. On Wednesday night, they hit just nine.

If you don't think reputations carry weight in the NBA, then consider this stat: The Raptors had 10 fouls called against them over the first 11 minutes of the final frame while Orlando was only whistled for one. Bargnani played good defence against Howard. When you consider how everything else was being called over the course of the game, the fouls in the fourth quarter could have been ruled "play ons" but Bargnani hasnít earned that rep yet. Tell me, if the situation had been reversed and it was Howard -- the NBA's leading shot blocker with a reputation as a defensive player -- making the blocks on Bargnani, do you think the officials call those fouls? I rest my case.
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Old 01-08-2010, 01:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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probably the single most frustrating thing NBA basketball.
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Old 01-08-2010, 01:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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probably the single most frustrating thing NBA basketball.
Frustrating and shameful.
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Old 01-08-2010, 03:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 01-08-2010, 03:44 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I hate this. Also, +1 to fancy. Right on
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Old 01-08-2010, 05:23 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I know what you mean, except that it in itself helps create the territory.
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Old 01-08-2010, 05:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
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And people try to make the argument that Pro sports isn't fixed (to a certain extent)
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it is really sad.
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Old 01-08-2010, 11:47 PM   #8 (permalink)
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probably the single most frustrating thing NBA basketball.
So were you frustrated when Bosh was possibly given a "reputation call" during the 2nd last possesion of the game. You know when Bosh clearly didnt' deserve the continuation on the foul call but got it?
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Old 01-09-2010, 12:42 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Honestly we got cheesed by the refs all night in Philly anyway (especially in the first half). It did feel like sweet vengeance when Bosh got the and-1 at the end though!
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Old 01-09-2010, 02:02 AM   #10 (permalink)
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It is a sad fact that reputation counts for referees.
If Stern is really the hard ass is with Arenas he should eliminiate the bias.
For years many players getting extra steps,phantom fouls, poor calls.
While the ref who tried to fix games is deplorable frankly believe many of his alligations.
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:01 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Referee's in basketball are swayed by home crowds and superior teams more than in any other sport. It seems entirely too subjective in the NBA. Bargnani gets burned more than anyone, it's a wonder he is able to keep his composure. He scored that bucket early in the game where he clearly got it up off the glass before Dalambert swatted it away and the ref was right there behind the basket. It was an obvious goaltend but still they didn't make the call.
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:23 AM   #12 (permalink)
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So were you frustrated when Bosh was possibly given a "reputation call" during the 2nd last possesion of the game. You know when Bosh clearly didnt' deserve the continuation on the foul call but got it?
watch it again he did he got fouled on his arm on his way up lol good ol sports centre
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Old 01-09-2010, 01:46 PM   #13 (permalink)
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maybe he was fouled on his way up, but the call came a step before that happened. i couldn't believe it myself, but when they're in your favour you don't complain....just look at it as retribution.
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it would be better if any unfair call exists..
but superstar calls system is much better than "the team calls " in Europe..

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watch it again he did he got fouled on his arm on his way up lol good ol sports centre
Yes he got fouled but he didn't deserve the continuation. Essentially it could have very well been a star car. Of course only a select few will acknowledge this when the Raptors win. I'm just saying people got to calm down with things don't go the Raptors way. Essentially they got one back last night. I hate the way refs call games but you either accept it or revolt.


I also agree with tvett6. Bargnani gets called for a ton of touch fouls which is not fair. However; he hasn't reached a good reputation level with the refs. WHen he got T'd up a couple games ago I was actually happy that he is speaking up for himself. He should have more controlled aggression when talking to the refs though
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it would be better if any unfair call exists..
but superstar calls system are much better than "the team calls " in Europe..
great point... i hate "the team calls"

nba refs look like saints when compared to euro refs...
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Old 01-09-2010, 07:49 PM   #17 (permalink)
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NBA refs basically side for the so called "home team". The Raptors at Magic game forth quarter just made me burn a fuse.Barganani was getting calls for no apparent reason.If I was Bargnani I wouldve argued with the refs( technical foul or not) getting that many calls in a quarter either means, the refs are calling you for being too agressive or are siding with the home team.That basically told the forth quarter I mean cmon...Orlando down by 18... Howard gets away with illegal screen...makes a blowout turn into a 108-106 game?

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Old 01-09-2010, 11:56 PM   #18 (permalink)
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It'd be nice to get a complete set of new refs, eh? Those replacements during the pre-season were definitely over-blowing their whistles, but at least I couldn't detect any particular bias - the officiating sucked pretty consistently for all the teams.

Anywho, read what Donahue said about how he could bet pretty accurately on games reffed by others simply because he knew those guys well, including their tendencies, their likes/dislikes towards particular teams/players and so on. Makes one think, doesn't it?
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It'd be nice to get a complete set of new refs, eh? Those replacements during the pre-season were definitely over-blowing their whistles, but at least I couldn't detect any particular bias - the officiating sucked pretty consistently for all the teams.

Anywho, read what Donahue said about how he could bet pretty accurately on games reffed by others simply because he knew those guys well, including their tendencies, their likes/dislikes towards particular teams/players and so on. Makes one think, doesn't it?
Tim Donaghy is scum of the earth no doubt. However I hate the fact it feels like his case is just swept under a rug. I know its tough for Stern to air his dirty laundry of reffing to the masses but at least show that you completely cross examined the guy.

It shows you that the NBA and their reffing is the most corrupt in North America. Well maybe they look like saints compare to soccer but we won't go there for now.
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It'd be nice to get a complete set of new refs, eh? Those replacements during the pre-season were definitely over-blowing their whistles, but at least I couldn't detect any particular bias - the officiating sucked pretty consistently for all the teams.

Anywho, read what Donahue said about how he could bet pretty accurately on games reffed by others simply because he knew those guys well, including their tendencies, their likes/dislikes towards particular teams/players and so on. Makes one think, doesn't it?
One clear cut thing to remember about the replacement refs.

Who was complaining the most about all the extra whistles??

Lebron and the other so called "super stars", thats who.

Shows you the truth if you ask me.
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