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Old 09-28-2011, 09:31 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Nash is going to be gone soon, retired or traded, so I don't think the Suns can be pigeon-holed as a run and gun team forever...... further, they might not have the pieces given that AB makes about 7M more than ED...
obviously depends on the new CBA but under old rules there'd be a zillion ways to make a sensible deal right now.

it's hard to guess what's on Suns' mind. you got to run a lot with Aaron Brooks and Alvin Gentry. but sure, they could blow it up and go in many ways.
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the suggestion actually included a highly touted young C as well.... for a team that has struggled to find players that have the size and athleticism to play the position for many years...... sometimes logic does apply.

In terms of Reggie, not sure if you're suggesting I was advocating him to be our starting PF, but I don't think this trade would really impact Reggie's spot/non-spot on this team.
No, no....Evans was just an example. Personally, i'd want Bargs gone before Davis. If Ed improves his FT% and his mid range jumper which he was doing toward the end of the season...he's a double double machine. We'd take a bit of a hit initially on the offensive end but would be much better on D. Why not trade Bargnani for a 1st/Lopez? Our bigs in 2012-13 would be Jonas/Lopez/Davis/Amir/Alabi.
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Old 09-28-2011, 09:33 PM   #83 (permalink)
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No, no....Evans was just an example. Personally, i'd want Bargs gone before Davis. If Ed improves his FT% and his mid range jumper which he was doing toward the end of the season...he's a double double machine. We'd take a bit of a hit initially on the offensive end but would be much better on D. Why not trade Bargnani for a 1st/Lopez? Our bigs in 2012-13 would be Jonas/Lopez/Davis/Amir/Alabi.
That trade doesn't work unless the CBA changes dramatically..... what junk did you want to bring back with Lopez to make that happen? Hope not Childress...

also, and I don't need to make this point, but I don't necessarily feel Davis is more valuable than AB.... let's not bother arguing this point, I accept our disagreement on it.
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That trade doesn't work unless the CBA changes dramatically..... what junk did you want to bring back with Lopez to make that happen? Hope not Childress...
who knows. didn't really look at it, just threw it out there. lol
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obviously depends on the new CBA but under old rules there'd be a zillion ways to make a sensible deal right now.

it's hard to guess what's on Suns' mind. you got to run a lot with Aaron Brooks and Alvin Gentry. but sure, they could blow it up and go in many ways.
I agree.... but alot of the successful run and gun players have been moved or been downgraded.....
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We do overvalue our players a lot of the time. But one problem is we often overvalue guys like Evans and then turnaround in the middle of a rebuild and say we should trade away our best young rebounder/shot blocker..... right after bitching that we need to stockpile as many young players as possible, we're too soft and let's not dare trade our picks away. Sometimes logic just doesn't apply.
Even if Ed Davis wasn't a one contract guy in Toronto, and I think there was a good chance he'd leave first chance anyway, he SHOULD want to leave now that Bargnani wants to stop playing reboundball and play Ed's position. And since someone's got to go at the 4, it may as well be to get an upgrade at different position.

I'd be simmering if some soft serve seven footer showed up at the end of the season press conference and announced he would be playing my position, one I am already platooning with Amir.

Knowing Amir and Bargs will be playing the 4, If Toronto ends up with the 5th pick next draft, would you trade Ed for the 4th pick to go along with it in the next draft? (hypothetical) I would because they could end up with an upgraded 1 and 3 and end up with more strength and balance at all positions.
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Even if Ed Davis wasn't a one contract guy in Toronto, and I think there was a good chance he'd leave first chance anyway, he SHOULD want to leave now that Bargnani wants to stop playing reboundball and play Ed's position. And since someone's got to go at the 4, it may as well be to get an upgrade at different position.

I'd be simmering if some soft serve seven footer showed up at the end of the season press conference and announced he would be playing my position, one I am already platooning with Amir.

Knowing Amir and Bargs will be playing the 4, If Toronto ends up with the 5th pick next draft, would you trade Ed for the 4th pick to go along with it in the next draft? (hypothetical) I would because they could end up with an upgraded 1 and 3 and end up with more strength and balance at all positions.
what about ed davis for batum?

just a suggestion, been on hoopsworld chats often..... that adds balance.... thoughts?
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what about ed davis for batum?

just a suggestion, been on hoopsworld chats often..... that adds balance.... thoughts?
thats actually a very good trade.

derozan/batum/johnson would be an amazing rotation, plus portland gets another big man prospect to their thin line of big men
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what about ed davis for batum?

just a suggestion, been on hoopsworld chats often..... that adds balance.... thoughts?
Yeah, that would be a pretty good deal.
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Yeah, that would be a pretty good deal.
make it happen. I'm sure portland would decline though.... despite their need for size, wait, every team needs size.... ah well....
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i got an idea guys, lets trade our most promising big after he leads the team in double doubles/blocks in a partial rookie year because we're so confidient that valanciunas(a lanky big that compares himself to bosh) is going to come over from europe a year from now and be that dwight howard force we're looking for to compensate for the big lazy goof that feels giving an effort defensivly and rebounding is everyone elses job
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i got an idea guys, lets trade our most promising big after he leads the team in double doubles/blocks in a partial rookie year because we're so confidient that valanciunas(a lanky big that compares himself to bosh) is going to come over from europe a year from now and be that dwight howard force we're looking for to compensate for the big lazy goof that feels giving an effort defensivly and rebounding is everyone elses job
i think people here are banking on 2012 draft power forwards, not Jonas complementing Bargs.

There's only 2-3 ppl in the NBA who could maybe compensate for Bargs' shortcomings. Neither Jonas nor Ed Davis should be expected to do that.
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i think people here are banking on 2012 draft power forwards, not Jonas complementing Bargs.

There's only 2-3 ppl in the NBA who could maybe compensate for Bargs' shortcomings. Neither Jonas nor Ed Davis should be expected to do that.
I think there is a lot more than 2-3.....

but every team is searching for viable C's, and 6'9" PF's come around much more regularly..... heck, we have two of them already and another that left last year. When's the last time we had a decent C on our team? An older Rasho?
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i got an idea guys, lets trade our most promising big after he leads the team in double doubles/blocks in a partial rookie year because we're so confidient that valanciunas(a lanky big that compares himself to bosh) is going to come over from europe a year from now and be that dwight howard force we're looking for to compensate for the big lazy goof that feels giving an effort defensivly and rebounding is everyone elses job
but we get batum!!!

thats like 5 championships right there and toronto has its occasional french signs, so he'll feel right at home
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To be fair, Batum is the better player right now. And he still has considerable upside. So that particular deal seems a no brainer.
Idk, to me, the only reason not to do that deal would be if you win the draft and you really love a Harrison Barnes or Quincy Miller. But right now, I'd do it.
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