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Old 09-28-2011, 08:11 PM   #61 (permalink)
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well his D sucks even when he's healthy.
He'd be a huge upgrade, no doubt. because you have nothing. you'd just be better off with a much cheaper defensive guy.

but as i said, i'd probably just stand pat, play Bargs at 5 and get a high draft pick. Maybe take a risk on Oden, nothing to lose. Maybe add a 3rd stringer like Fesenko or Jason Collins, they can play some D but nothing else, and they'll be cheap long term backups.

i mean, if you can get Marc Gasol, cool, screw the pick. If not, adding rentals for some wins is not worth it imo.
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well his D sucks even when he's healthy.
He'd be a huge upgrade, no doubt. because you have nothing. you'd just be better off with a much cheaper defensive guy.

but as i said, i'd probably just stand pat, play Bargs at 5 and get a high draft pick. Maybe take a risk on Oden, nothing to lose. Maybe add a 3rd stringer like Fesenko or Jason Collins, they can play some D but nothing else, and they'll be cheap long term backups.

i mean, if you can get Marc Gasol, cool, screw the pick. If not, adding rentals for some wins is not worth it imo.
a much cheaper defensive guy? And who is that guy? Don't say Oden, he's not much cheaper but he is much closer to retirement.... lol
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:37 PM   #63 (permalink)
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idk, what's Camby's contract situation? how's Jeff Foster's back?
i'm sure we can find short term options, i'm kinda lazy to do it -- as i said, it just sounds stupid to me to look for short term options for this team right now.
wrong place wrong time.
you need long term pieces and you need to tank this year.

you can take a risk on Oden because you aren't losing anything and there's some serious potential even if it's maybe 10% chance he gets healthy. or you can sign lower potential backups. Guys like Kaman just make no sense.

btw i think Oden is much cheaper at this point. If we are talking per year.
His qualifying is something close to 9 but you'd obviously have to offer a 2-3 year deal at lower money if you want to have any shot at him. Blazers would match any 1 year deals.
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idk, what's Camby's contract situation? how's Jeff Foster's back?
i'm sure we can find short term options, i'm kinda lazy to do it -- as i said, it just sounds stupid to me to look for short term options for this team right now.
wrong place wrong time.
you need long term pieces and you need to tank this year.

you can take a risk on Oden because you aren't losing anything and there's some serious potential even if it's maybe 10% chance he gets healthy. or you can sign lower potential backups. Guys like Kaman just make no sense.

btw i think Oden is much cheaper at this point. If we are talking per year.
His qualifying is something close to 9 but you'd obviously have to offer a 2-3 year deal at lower money if you want to have any shot at him. Blazers would match any 1 year deals.
I don't think you sign Kamen, but if you can trade for his expiring its a good deal, because he should retain some value as an expiring down to the trade dead line. Where as signing Oden your committing to a multi-year, which is probably going to cost you at least 3-5 million a year, at min. of 3 years. At lets face it the guy could prove untradable with in 3 months. And with VAl coming in a year why spend that kind of money (far exceeding a rookie contract) for a guy who you know isn't who want in that starting spot.
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Old 09-28-2011, 09:23 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Kaman as a trade chip makes sense I guess.
But now you want three things to go right: 1. Clips sell him cheap which they didn't show intention on doing so far, 2. he stays healthy and plays well till deadline, and 3. there's a deal that makes sense at the deadline.
It's bound to go wrong at some point.

I was commenting more on the Amir for Kaman deal. I could see Clips taking it, I wouldn't expect Raps getting anything better back at the deadline. And as I said, Kaman as a rental makes no sense for this team.
You should've just kept Delfino if you are going to waste Amir like that.

Regarding Oden, I think it would be something like 2-3 years at 6-7 mil per. Just a guess. No idea how high the Blazers are willing to go.
I think if it works out, you'd find a way to play him. At the very least, a healthy Oden would be a huge trade chip.
To me there's no downside. It's kind of like the Cavs taking on Baron Davis' contract for a low lotto pick in a bad draft which may or may not be good (until they got lucky and it became Kyrie Irving). You aren't going anywhere for the next few years, you can afford moves like that.

That's if the Raptors were patient. Idk if they are. Seems like you guys are planning to make a splash in the free agency. Which is most likely a bad idea unless you can somehow get a great young player.

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ed davis for robin lopez and a second rounder.
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Old 09-28-2011, 09:35 PM   #67 (permalink)
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ed davis for robin lopez and a second rounder.
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ed davis for robin lopez and a second rounder.
You complain about the team being soft for so long (although you exaggerate by including Mitchell's best teams in the equation), and now you want to launch the guy who committed good hard fouls and set good hard picks all season long?
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You complain about the team being soft for so long (although you exaggerate by including Mitchell's best teams in the equation), and now you want to launch the guy who committed good hard fouls and set good hard picks all season long?
No, just offering a suggestion to find a C that is young, athletic, undervalued and could help this team going forward.... I like Davis, but I like Lopez too.

Yeah, I think this team has been soft, but I think it's more about defensive philosophy more than ability.... just an opinion... so sorry for exaggerating... nobody else has ever done that!
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ed davis for robin lopez and a second rounder.
Gross...
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I bet phoenix fans say the same.... lol.... that's the beauty of this game.
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No, just offering a suggestion to find a C that is young, athletic, undervalued and could help this team going forward.... I like Davis, but I like Lopez too.

Yeah, I think this team has been soft, but I think it's more about defensive philosophy more than ability.... just an opinion... so sorry for exaggerating... nobody else has ever done that!
I like Lopez too. More than I like the twin. But we have a young, athletic C that is hard to undervalue, and he'll be arriving soon enough. No sense in giving up Davis needlessly, just so the guy coming this way can find himself squeezed for PT. And giving up a player like Davis in a trade that is going to be a lateral move at best is no way to build a winner.
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I bet phoenix fans say the same.... lol.... that's the beauty of this game.
Pheonix fans like most fans of american teams don't have a clue about our players. Especially ones that have only played 65 games. We know a hell of a lot more about Lopez than Suns fans know about Davis. To trade away a guy that alters and blocks shots, plays good positional D and can rebound for Robin Lopez would be complete bullshit. Let's face it, he did all that and was undersized and is only 21. Trading him now would be crazy imo.

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I think Davis got to be worth at least Robin + Suns 1st at this point. Top 10 restricted maybe, but still. I can't imagine Robin's value being very high right now.

Overall, I could imagine doing such a deal closer to the draft.
I mean, this is such a PF heavy draft. Davis may be easy to upgrade with Raptors pick, maybe even Suns pick.

That said, when I think of Suns and Raptors, I think of Bargs. Suns are one of the few teams where Bargs make some sense and they have pieces. So I'd start with him, not Davis.
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he's been in the league long enough, he is what he is
the only improvement I can see in him is developing more consistency in his offense, even if he is a jump shooter, you can always increase the %'s by even being more comfortable in general about your game
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I like Lopez too. More than I like the twin. But we have a young, athletic C that is hard to undervalue, and he'll be arriving soon enough. No sense in giving up Davis needlessly, just so the guy coming this way can find himself squeezed for PT. And giving up a player like Davis in a trade that is going to be a lateral move at best is no way to build a winner.
I can agree with that perspective.
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Pheonix fans like most fans of american teams don't have a clue about our players. Especially ones that have only played 65 games. We know a hell of a lot more about Lopez than Suns fans know about Davis. To trade away a guy that alters and blocks shots, plays good positional D and can rebound for Robin Lopez would be complete bullshit. Let's face it, he did all that and was undersized and is only 21. Trading him now would be crazy imo.
He did play at UNC.... but I think we overvalue our young players too often as well.... that said, it was merely a suggestion.
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I think Davis got to be worth at least Robin + Suns 1st at this point. Top 10 restricted maybe, but still. I can't imagine Robin's value being very high right now.

Overall, I could imagine doing such a deal closer to the draft.
I mean, this is such a PF heavy draft. Davis may be easy to upgrade with Raptors pick, maybe even Suns pick.

That said, when I think of Suns and Raptors, I think of Bargs. Suns are one of the few teams where Bargs make some sense and they have pieces. So I'd start with him, not Davis.
Nash is going to be gone soon, retired or traded, so I don't think the Suns can be pigeon-holed as a run and gun team forever...... further, they might not have the pieces given that AB makes about 7M more than ED...
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He did play at UNC.... but I think we overvalue our young players too often as well.... that said, it was merely a suggestion.
We do overvalue our players a lot of the time. But one problem is we often overvalue guys like Evans and then turnaround in the middle of a rebuild and say we should trade away our best young rebounder/shot blocker..... right after bitching that we need to stockpile as many young players as possible, we're too soft and let's not dare trade our picks away. Sometimes logic just doesn't apply.
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We do overvalue our players a lot of the time. But one problem is we often overvalue guys like Evans and then turnaround in the middle of a rebuild and say we should trade away our best young rebounder/shot blocker..... right after bitching that we need to stockpile as many young players as possible, we're too soft and let's not dare trade our picks away. Sometimes logic just doesn't apply.
the suggestion actually included a highly touted young C as well.... for a team that has struggled to find players that have the size and athleticism to play the position for many years...... sometimes logic does apply.

In terms of Reggie, not sure if you're suggesting I was advocating him to be our starting PF, but I don't think this trade would really impact Reggie's spot/non-spot on this team.
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