Our Wingmen Situation
Old 07-08-2008, 09:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I found this on the Raptors Board on RealGM. Kind of found it interesting.

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As almost all of us know, our wingmen situation is probably the worst in the NBA. With the moratorium almost up for free agent signings and trades to become official, it is becoming more clear that we aren't going to get that coveted wingman who we desperately need(Artest, Maggete). We don't have much assets to trade for a wingman who is going to make an immediate impact unless it means BC is willing to part ways with Bargnani which I don't think he will do unless a really enticing deal is on the the table.

Here is my suggestion, instead of figuring out who we can trade or who we can sign, why not try to solve the problem internally. Instead of over analyzing every available wingman, why not look at what we've got and make it useful. Why not let Moon and/or Bargnani be that possible player that can create shots for themselves. More than likely it's going to have to be Bargnani who is the one that emerges for us in order to take the next step towards a championship caliber team. Who's to say that Moon doesn't develop a bit more offensively or that Bargnani improves his game? In his first year, Bargnani played the SF at times and seemed rather comfortable at that position. So why not try that again.

It is just a crazy idea to solve the problem internally rather than externally. Anyways that's just my opinion.
Me? The only guy i'm thinking of is JR Smith from Denver. He's an RFA but it's not a give that the Nuggets will match an offer. They are already taking on a bunch of hefty salaries and might not want to push it. Just a thought.
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Turn Moon into the go to player that can create a shot for himself?

While we're at it, lets make Jose uber-athletic and give Jermaine and Bosh 3 point range.

I'm not sure how a guy who averaged less than 10 a game primarily on the fast break is going to turn into our go to wing scorer. You could likely count the number of times Moon took his guy one on one to create his own shot on your hands.

Parker and Bargnani are both far more adept at creating their own offense.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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JR Smith is one of the biggest chuckers the league has ever seen, he has a bad attitude and plays absolutely no defence. Hes destined to have more offcourt problems judging from past history thatll probably end his pro career. The guy is a snake.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:13 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Moon has potential to affect the game a bit more if he can work on a first step and get in the paint a bit more.
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Moon is fine the way he is, not every player needs to become a great offensive player to be a factor on the floor. If Moon didnt improve that much in the offseason he'd still be a very good role player for any team.

All he has to work on IMO is his shooting and MAYBE one dribble drive move off the catch. He is never going to be a major option on the floor, he'll be playing the Finley/Bowen type role on offence which is catch and shoot, and if a defender comes at you hard then drive it or pull up. Nothing fancy.

Having JO behind him will show how good of a defensive player he is this upcoming season IMO. He wont have to sag off guys anymore knowing theres no interior defence behind him. Jamario is gonna be sick next year
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:28 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I agree.

Teams were really exposing his inability to consistantly hit shots. If he can improve there.

Jesus.

You're gonna see some nice dunks.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:32 AM   #7 (permalink)
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He needs to create his own shot. As a rookie he averaged 8.5 ppg & 6.5 rpg in 27.8 min/gm. There's no reason why he shouldn't improve (he's 28) to 10+ ppg in his 2nd year if he's given the stability of Jose as a full time starting PG and people having to double off onto both Bosh & JO. I think he'll have a great sophomore year. He won't pull a Bargnani, thats for sure.
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Why? He has teams sagging off him and 2 primary scoring options next to him creating for him.

And Jamario really ended the season strong with his shooting after he started off with the crowd giving him that moan everytime he shot it. He ended the season shooting a very solid 48% and he was hitting the J a lot more frequently. If he improves his range we'll be able to spread the court more and our team will be that much more dangerous.
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ya thriller, but he got exposed in the Playoffs a bit.

I hope he's been jacking up 2000 a day. If so, he's gonna be A OK
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Why? He has teams sagging off him and 2 primary scoring options next to him creating for him.

And Jamario really ended the season strong with his shooting after he started off with the crowd giving him that moan everytime he shot it. He ended the season shooting a very solid 48% and he was hitting the J a lot more frequently. If he improves his range we'll be able to spread the court more and our team will be that much more dangerous.
Ahah thats because half of them were dunks

But yeah you're right, we was nailing a lot of jumpers and has a great shot. I can't wait to see how he performs next season. At least now he's got experience and he's going to have a good year. Hopefully he'll be able to average doubles in pts.
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Most of us were complaining he didnt dunk ENOUGH or go to the basket enough. I bet 70+% of his shots were jumpers.

I dont think he got exposed in the playoffs either. Sam fucked around with him and Andrea. He had one bad game where he shot the ball bad, but the last 3 games he played strong.
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Yeah SJ but in all likelihood he's learned from that experience of playing in the playoffs.

And really Moon reminds of that guy on the floor that could go off on offence if you let him to. But because we have guys like Jose, J.O. and Bosh who command so much attention now on defence you really can't be forced to pay that much attention to Moon. But he has a good enough skill set to make you pay and good teams have those types of players.

And plus, those averages he posted last season, I'd be very happy if he put those same ones up this season.
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Old 07-08-2008, 12:02 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm sorry guys.

The defense used his inability to hit an open shot as a free ride on rotatrions to double key players.

I think he knows this, as does the staff, he will have worked hard on hitting the open 17 footer this off season, and I think he'll really excel if this is the case.

You all know I love me some Moon!!!
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Old 07-08-2008, 01:31 PM   #14 (permalink)
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anyone who doesn't think Jamario is a key player for the raps is foolish IMO. as someone said above, he is pretty much our version of Bruce Bowen, accept I think super J has got a better offensive game. the only knock I would have on him was at times he got a little soft and din't like to drive into the trees in the Eastern Conference and take the fouls to get to the line. when he did, he showed us highlight potential!!!

All I know is we have a team full of players who like to sit outside and shoot. He is one of our best perimeter defenders and blocks shots inside with his quick hops and length.

Screw jackin up shots, get him in the weight room with Mr. Graham (at least then he'll be good for something....arghhh) and have him add 10-15 lb's of muscle so he can take a bit more banging.


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Why can't we find a GM who can DRAFT!!!!!


BC-
Bargnani over Roy and Bosh's best friend Aldridge...(personally I would have kept CV and drafted Roy)

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Arujao over Igoudala , Al Jefferson and Josh Smith
Graham over Granger , Maxiell (and Monta ellis)
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PS....
Why can't we find a GM who can DRAFT!!!!!


BC-
Bargnani over Roy and Bosh's best friend Aldridge...(personally I would have kept CV and drafted Roy)

Babcock-
Arujao over Igoudala , Al Jefferson and Josh Smith
Graham over Granger , Maxiell (and Monta ellis)
Drafting players is really hard because you can't tell the future unless you have a real stud like LeBron or Carmelo or Shaq. And BC's pick of Bargnani is not a bust... He is only like 21 so calm down. Also Babcock did make some mistakes but he also made good choices - Bosh & Calderon.
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Yeah I hate it when people alwys look for the negative things to say about people. BC is a great GM, he has made some great moves, but again he had made some bad moves. But no GM in the league is perfect. BC has defintely made more good moves than bad moves.
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The defense used his inability to hit an open shot as a free ride on rotatrions to double key players.
Correct, I would say.

I don't want my first post to be interpreted as hating on Moon, because I'm a big fan of what he brings to the team.

It's just that the original article Major quoted referenced Moon as being "that player who could create shots for himself" or something. And realistically, Moon is the last member of our starting line up we want creating his own shots.

He'll get plenty of opportunities to score, and like you've all said, it's all about improving his ability to hit shots. Because with Jose distributing and with the beasts we've got on the block, Moon is going to find himself open for plenty of looks.

I don't like putting a number on it and saying, "if he scores x points per game with y rebounds per game then that's a good season" It's not about his numbers, it's about defenses recognizing him as a consistent threat to score, forcing them to pay attention to him on defense, and thus opening things up for Jose/Bosh/O Neal.

You can't have a link weak enough on offense that teams ignore like they often did Moon last year. Look at Boston in the playoffs. Rondo was essentially getting left open the entire time, and it's no coincedence that he was a huge key in all of their series. When he hit his open shots, the entire Boston team looked alot better. When he shot poorly from the field, they didn't.

Moon could have the exact same statistical averages as last year, and I'd still be happy if his shooting % from mid range and deep was up, because that's where he really needs to be dangerous.
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I don't like putting a number on it and saying, "if he scores x points per game with y rebounds per game then that's a good season" It's not about his numbers, it's about defenses recognizing him as a consistent threat to score, forcing them to pay attention to him on defense, and thus opening things up for Jose/Bosh/O Neal.
I think this is the Raps' main goal this year. Because once defenders start to focus on Moon and start respecting him more because of his shooting, then that leaves two All-Stars open in the low post. And an above average, skillful PG open at the point. And that is exactly what he need to happen. If the above happens, we could be a pretty tough team to beat this year.
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hopefully all the players improve from last year and the raps will do good and by that i mean that they will win a playoff serie
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hopefully all the players improve from last year and the raps will do good and by that i mean that they will win a playoff serie
Well if what you said (bolded) comes true hopefully we'll win more than just 1 playoff series. Cause then you saying things like Bosh will get 24 ppg, O'Neal will get 18 ppg etc. And that would be pretty good.

Right now I think we are only counting on two players mostly to improve from last year: Bargs and Moon. And we've all went over the situation. I feel that iif those 2 will step it up, then we will be a pretty damn good team.
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