Our starting lineup has best DRating in the NBA
Old 03-04-2013, 02:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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NBA Stats - Lineups Overall

Over the past 11 games, the lineup of Lowry, Derozan, Gay, Amir and Val has far and away the best DRating of any lineup in the NBA, beating out even defensive juggernaut starting lineups like Memphis.

Absolutely infuriating to think Val was benched in favor of Bargnani despite his league-best performance. This franchise has no desire to be the best, only to coddle our scrubs. As soon as Bargs, Alan Anderson or other scrubs come in the game our DRating falls off the map.

Massive credit to these 5 players and their efforts on D. The numbers speak for themselves. We might eventually become like a Memphis Grizzlies-East if we can find some depth and get rid of the clinging turds like Bargs, AA or Fields. The NBA power rankings take a nice shot at the Raptors/Bargs for benching Val in favor of Bargs. We don't understand either!

One has to wonder why the Raptor continue to ignore the mountain of analytical data that shows which lineups or players are worth playing and which aren't?
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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A bit mind boggling to be sure
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That's nice to hear. Kinda makes sense too since we're usually leading (sometimes by double digits) by the time our starters sub out. Washington is 2nd, which also kind of makes sense considering their recent success (mostly on the defensive end).

Hopefully our second unit wont hold us down once we get a PF like Milsap that can relegate Amir to the bench (and we get rid of Bargs).
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:05 PM   #4 (permalink)
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fields as a piece off the bench i'm ok with. overrated? sure. but he's a good enough bench player, and I can see him getting better. ross is a rook so he'll definitely improve. we need a back up pg, and back up big men not named Bargnani or gray. past out starting lineup we are very thin indeed. some MLE's and we'll be on our way.
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:08 PM   #5 (permalink)
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There have definitely been really nice signs. But ultimately they are a bit short on the right kind of depth. It's going to be all about getting rid of some of the stockpiled deadweight without taking back much more in deadweight. What they can manage to do with Andrea is going to mean a lot. I have to think that there was some options they wanted to look to explore in constructing a team when they swung the deal for Gay. If they can just execute on some of those options as Terrence and Jonas develop, and hopefully Lowry is more physically able to produce how he has in the past, then they are on a pretty good track.

and my apologies to FLO for accidentally nuking his original post, along with the duplicate post. Thanks for posting it one more time.

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Old 03-04-2013, 03:11 PM   #6 (permalink)
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playoff hopes are over, so the club is trying to showcase Bargs.

is it really that hard to see?
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Fields is the perfect bench player - glue guy that defends, takes high percentage shots and get rebounds (both offensifve and defensive). Ross is inconsistent, but at least he's good in transition and can get hot from beyond the arc - I think he could be perfect in a 15-20 mpg kind of role. Then bring in Amir as an excellent first big off the bench and all you need is a solid pass first pg that can defend well and hit the 3 (hopefully Telfair can fill this role).

Anderson is definitely holding us back, and Lucas's minutes need to be reduced. I think we could really use a combo guard off the bench score and distribute a little, and Randy Foye could fill that role really well (free agent).
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Valanciunas being benched is ridiculous. Consider the following, the best defensive pairings of players on the team, sorted from best pair down, considering lineups that have played 150 minutes or more only.

Amir-Jonas
Gay-Jonas
Gay-Lowry
DeRozan-Gay
Gay-Amir
DeRozan-Amir
Lowry-Jonas
Amir-Lowry

So, Gay is awesome defensively, Valanciunas is awesome defensively (those top two pairings give up less than 90 PTS/100), Lowry is awesome defensively, Amir is awesome defensively and DeRozan has actually been pretty awesome defensively (especially paired with Gay).

Of course, Casey is a defensive coach, so he doesn't care that Jonas is one of the top defensive contributors on the team, and sits him in the 4th, when we need stops.

Perhaps his offense just hurts us too much, so that his net impact is pretty bad.

Top net points scored per 100 possessions two man lineups (same minutes restriction):

Gay-Jonas (+16.5)
Amir-Jonas (+12.9)
Amir-Lowry (+8.6)

Well then.

Obviously Bargnani only gets playing time to showcase him before the draft, but how about we do away with the small ball, never play Anderson again, and find some minutes for Jonas (earned) and even Ross (season's over - and in the 500+ minutes he has played with Amir, and the 300+ minutes he's played with Lowry, they have a net positive rating)?
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Wow, I really wonder if anybody is showing these advanced stats to Casey. Look at how many minutes Memphis's new lineup has played together compared to ours (in almost the same number of games). They take advantage of a great starting lineup, allowing them to overcome their average bench, but we do the oppposite.
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I think there is still just a little ways to go before Lowry, Gay, DeMar and Jonas can be described as awesome. There are definitely moments, but it's still a little up and down. I think Amir has been particularly amazing. He's dropped off just ever so slightly in a few recent games and it shows like a sore thumb on the rest. But I expect all those guys to get better, and that is going to allow for a little dropoff from Amir on any given night. And meanwhile Amir might turn out to be the sort of leader that Ben Wallace was. It's really pretty promising. Find some good shooters that are two-way players while Ross turns into a defensive beast and you have a team that can succeed for some time.
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@LX, no problem! Thx for sending me a msg to repost it. I meant to send a PM but don't recall if I did. I got sidetracked by something as I usually do.
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Wow, I really wonder if anybody is showing these advanced stats to Casey. Look at how many minutes Memphis's new lineup has played together compared to ours (in almost the same number of games). They take advantage of a great starting lineup, allowing them to overcome their average bench, but we do the oppposite.
Who needs metrics when #comehellorhighwater? lol
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So our starting lineup since Gay came was spending only 10 minutes per average playing together every game?
Why I say only, hmmm... That's a lot, having in mind JV never plays 4th and Lowry shares minutes equally with Lucas.
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Call me a homer, but this team is way better when JOVA is on the court. It looks like it in my eyes and clearly there are stats (as untrustworthy as they can be) to show it. Kid just impacts the game, plain and simple.
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Call me a homer, but this team is way better when JOVA is on the court. It looks like it in my eyes and clearly there are stats (as untrustworthy as they can be) to show it. Kid just impacts the game, plain and simple.
I don't think that there's anything "homer-ish" at all about liking JV. If you just watch the games you can plainly SEE that he makes a difference out there.

It's like you said.... he impacts the game.
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I think there is still just a little ways to go before Lowry, Gay, DeMar and Jonas can be described as awesome. There are definitely moments, but it's still a little up and down. I think Amir has been particularly amazing. He's dropped off just ever so slightly in a few recent games and it shows like a sore thumb on the rest. But I expect all those guys to get better, and that is going to allow for a little dropoff from Amir on any given night. And meanwhile Amir might turn out to be the sort of leader that Ben Wallace was. It's really pretty promising. Find some good shooters that are two-way players while Ross turns into a defensive beast and you have a team that can succeed for some time.
agreed...glass is definitely half full at this point
what they do/get regarding AB is going to be crucial to this team's success
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I don't think that there's anything "homer-ish" at all about liking JV. If you just watch the games you can plainly SEE that he makes a difference out there.

It's like you said.... he impacts the game.
That's all you can ask from young players. Shit that's all I would ask from any player.

I just can't understand for the life of me why he hasn't been averaging 30+ minutes a game all year. Let him foul out. who cares.
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There's literally no reason to avoid playing JV big minutes unless there's injury concerns. The Raptors seem hell-bent on putting out players who don't give us the best chance to win.
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That's all you can ask from young players. Shit that's all I would ask from any player.

I just can't understand for the life of me why he hasn't been averaging 30+ minutes a game all year. Let him foul out. who cares.
Again... I agree. I would treat ALL lottery picks like that.

The only time I would sit rooks is if they prove to be lazy and/or egomaniacs who don't listen.

JV isn't either of those things. And considering our lack of depth right now at the big man spots I just don't understand what's going on with his lack of PT.
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