Our real problem ... Only Lowry and Jose have the ability to handle the ball

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Old 01-19-2013, 09:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Our problem wasn't the bench vs the starters ... the rotation is pretty short right now.

The real problem that Philly exposed, is that our team other than Lowry and Jose do not have the ability to handle the ball under pressure. AA is adequate, but our other SGs, SFs, and PFs can't handle the ball under pressure if their life depends on it.

BC needs to address this weakness, our we will continue to crubble under the opponents full pressure on our guards.
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not saying he's our solution, but bargnani, for his position, has more than adequate handling skills
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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if we could somehow turn Bargnani into Pau Gasol that would do wonders for our roster. And maintains Colangelo's European player quota.
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:42 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Quite a few young teams struggle with this.... it's not just the Raps.
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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what's sad is the fact that Bargnani has the potential to be better than pau

ball handling isn't our only problem. far from it
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We have no one that plays better in pressure situation every last one of our players shrinks to nothing. Once we stop moving and passing on offense everything unravels it happens every fucking game.
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:58 AM   #7 (permalink)
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talent = success

you hear it all the time. Talent is consistent, every game you get what you get. Toronto is an entire team of benchers...Jose and Amir, and now Lowry are the only ones that give you the same game every night.
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talent = success

you hear it all the time. Talent is consistent, every game you get what you get. Toronto is an entire team of benchers...Jose and Amir, and now Lowry are the only ones that give you the same game every night.
Yep, and the only semblance of a plan to upgrade the said sad talent is to evolve from within. Which is kinda like taking a bunch of dinosaurs and trying to turn them into mammals within a generation...
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It's not a talent issue.
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:13 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Our problem wasn't the bench vs the starters ... the rotation is pretty short right now.

The real problem that Philly exposed, is that our team other than Lowry and Jose do not have the ability to handle the ball under pressure. AA is adequate, but our other SGs, SFs, and PFs can't handle the ball under pressure if their life depends on it.

BC needs to address this weakness, our we will continue to crubble under the opponents full pressure on our guards.
DD played crappy. But the loss was Ed Davis and Terrence Ross' fault too? and Lowry and Calderon didn't turn the ball over?
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:26 AM   #11 (permalink)
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This is also still a youth issue. We're the 3rd or 4th youngest team in the NBA. Until we add a couple key veterans to this core groupe we won't go far and we'll continue to struggle showing poise. There's a culture of losing here among our younger player (namely Derozan, Davis, Amir) who have yet to taste playoffs since being here. They have to learn how to win by you know.....winning. This is why I want Gay (or a player like him) here, a young veteran who's hit big shots in the playoffs and has won a couple playoff rounds that understands what it takes. Add a player like that and a good vet off the bench and watch the growth of players like Ross, Valanciunas and Davis. I agree though, there isn't much creativity on this team other than the PG's.
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:51 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Our problem is that the franchise overvalues mediocre players. DeRozan is pinned as the future for this team when he doesn't have what it takes to be a star player. Ross, Davis, JV can be starters for the future, I just hope the organization realizes that and trades DeRozan. Whatever we get from DeRozan we get from Ross... and more.
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This is also still a youth issue. We're the 3rd or 4th youngest team in the NBA. Until we add a couple key veterans to this core groupe we won't go far and we'll continue to struggle showing poise. There's a culture of losing here among our younger player (namely Derozan, Davis, Amir) who have yet to taste playoffs since being here. They have to learn how to win by you know.....winning. This is why I want Gay (or a player like him) here, a young veteran who's hit big shots in the playoffs and has won a couple playoff rounds that understands what it takes. Add a player like that and a good vet off the bench and watch the growth of players like Ross, Valanciunas and Davis. I agree though, there isn't much creativity on this team other than the PG's.
My other fear with Gay (the first concerns being his contract and his PPS) is that he won't be the kind of player who'll constantly put pressure on the defense the way that a Harden or Wade or Lebron does by going to the rim all the time.

If he came here and I had to watch him, AA and Ross alternate chucking long contested jumpers I might lose my mind.

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Our problem is that the franchise overvalues mediocre players. DeRozan is pinned as the future for this team when he doesn't have what it takes to be a star player. Ross, Davis, JV can be starters for the future, I just hope the organization realizes that and trades DeRozan. Whatever we get from DeRozan we get from Ross... and more.
No.... we don't. And that won't change until Ross develops his ball-handling, a modest post game, his passing and his ability to score while being the focus of the opposition's D.

DD may be in a bit of a slump but he is MILES better than Ross right now (which is to be expected since Ross is a rook).

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My other fear with Gay (the first concerns being his contract and his PPS) is that he won't be the kind of player who'll constantly put pressure on the defense the way that a Harden or Wade or Lebron does by going to the rim all the time.

If he came here and I had to watch him, AA and Ross alternate chucking long contested jumpers I might lose my mind.



No.... we don't. And that won't change until Ross develops his ball-handling, a modest post game, his passing and his ability to score while being the focus of the opposition's D.

DD may be in a bit of a slump but he is MILES better than Ross right now (which is to be expected since Ross is a rook).
I just really, really, really wish DD was a better shooter

his post game would be deadly if he was, ala bosh
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:07 PM   #15 (permalink)
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This teams problem right now has nothing to do with skills it has to do with fatigue. We have no depth, and our guys are bagged. No team is going to be successful when there front line is playing 42 + mins. a game. With a joke of a 4 man rotation, with acey and grey playing barley any mins. Even DD and AA have to be gassed chasing guys for over 32 mins a game. DC has to be finding ways to get Peitrus and Kleiza more effective mins. And Ross and Fields have to be more present on both ends. It just looks like everybody is playing behind their feet. And looking at the sched. We are heading right into quiting time, so its going to be getting alot worse in the weeks ahead.
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This teams problem right now has nothing to do with skills it has to do with fatigue. We have no depth, and our guys are bagged. No team is going to be successful when there front line is playing 42 + mins. a game. With a joke of a 4 man rotation, with acey and grey playing barley any mins. Even DD and AA have to be gassed chasing guys for over 32 mins a game. DC has to be finding ways to get Peitrus and Kleiza more effective mins. And Ross and Fields have to be more present on both ends. It just looks like everybody is playing behind their feet. And looking at the sched. We are heading right into quiting time, so its going to be getting alot worse in the weeks ahead.
Don't most teams have a 4 man rotation anyway? Which teams use 10-12 players a night consistently?
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Old 01-19-2013, 02:27 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I don't know if this is our real problem but Derozan is never going to become an elite player unless he improves his ball handling.
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Old 01-19-2013, 02:42 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Our real problem is terrible ownership, management, coaching, and overall talent.

We have one player who would start on a good percentage of NBA teams(Lowry),one player who would start on a good percentage of teams because a lack of quality players at that position(Derozan), one player who would start on a few NBA teams, and be the 6th man on most(Jose), and 3 guys who would be rotation players and potentially get a lot of minutes on a lot of teams(Jonas, Ed, Johnson) but likely wouldnt start for more than 50% of teams. That's 6 players. I dont count Bargs because the way hes played this year, he wouldnt be playing rotation minutes for any team with a coach who only counts on production and effort and not just playing a guy because he has a big contract and once was an important piece to a crappy organization.

Think about that. 6 guys who are rotation guys for sure, but only one or two real starters around the league. Its pathetic.
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not saying he's our solution, but bargnani, for his position, has more than adequate handling skills
And what position would that be? He is not a centre or power forward.He is a giraffe that like to jack up 3s ...He reminds me of another great ball handling big man called Manute Bol...
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