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Old 12-13-2008, 12:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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"A lot of guys have confidence now," Bosh said. "I don't know where it's coming from, but Joey Graham is playing a lot better, Andrea is playing a lot better and Jason Kapono — I don't know how he keeps getting open, but he's getting open now."
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Old 12-13-2008, 12:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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if you get paid a couple mil every year and play in a basketball league that only features the best basketball players...
you shouldnt have to find confidence.
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Old 12-13-2008, 12:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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they're human beings, not machines. Doesn't matter how much you're paid, confidence can't be bought with money. And they're working in a an environment of equally paid and skilled people.
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Old 12-13-2008, 12:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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im just saying being in the NBA should be enough confidence.
they should all have the mindset that theyre the best in the world.
i just think guys dont make good decisions. thats why guys dont play well.
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I think guys like Joey And Andrea are less fearful of getting hooked and yelled at by Sam Mitchell. Jay Triano is more of a quiet teacher type and it is a big contrast to the loud and emotional approach of Sam Mitchell
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I think guys like Joey And Andrea are less fearful of getting hooked and yelled at by Sam Mitchell. Jay Triano is more of a quiet teacher type and it is a big contrast to the loud and emotional approach of Sam Mitchell
Sure is,

Another possible difference is that Jay actually tells them things that makes sense to them......
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Old 12-13-2008, 12:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think dino is right - sam had the bad habbit of pulling players out after a few mistakes, and worse, after a few missed shots. This year I though Mitchell did a little better in this area - but last night was a great example. If Kapono goes 1 for 9 in the first half, there's no way Sam lets him play in the second half.
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Honestly, Sam was just not a very good coach for us here. He was the worst with players and pulling them after a few mistakes. Oh and Kapono getting open, thats because unlike Sam, Jay actually has been drawing plays and shows his players how to get open (not just stand around waitting for the ball)
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I think dino is right - sam had the bad habbit of pulling players out after a few mistakes, and worse, after a few missed shots. This year I though Mitchell did a little better in this area - but last night was a great example. If Kapono goes 1 for 9 in the first half, there's no way Sam lets him play in the second half.
I totally agree. Kap would have been sitting if Smitch was still the coach. I always like Joey but all the inconsistence talk about him had to do more with his playing time then his play. One bad shot and we may not see him play for 2 games. Coach shows you faith in you I think that these guys with years under their belts will reward you.

Kap is an NBA champion. I am sure he knows what it takes to win. Last 2-3 games were Kapono's best games of the year. The guy even played good defence!
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Old 12-13-2008, 01:13 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The best shooter in the league should spend more time on the floor and shoot more often - what a revelation it must've been for the coaching stuff! :|
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Old 12-13-2008, 02:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's nice that they have confidence in themselves but I'll have confidence in them if and when they beat some good team.
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Old 12-13-2008, 02:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I look at it this way.

Think back to when you were in High School. Ever had a teacher that REALLY helped you in a subject? One that you found very difficult to understand before? Maybe it was Math... maybe it was English.... maybe it was Chemistry... but if that teacher took the time to help you and didn't discourage you and SUPPORTED you and allowed you to make some mistakes you'd probably perform to the best of your ability right? Rather than the teacher that yelled and screamed at you when you messed up and expected you to have the right answer every time.
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Old 12-13-2008, 02:35 PM   #13 (permalink)
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So if Sam was killing Andrea and Joey's confidence - why did they play so well under him this season, and why is Andrea struggling since Sam left?

I will agree that Kapono should have been starting for some time now, and that a guy like Moon was definitely overthinking everything too much, but it's not like he's getting to the freethrow line now like he should be. Still - his overall game is looking much better, no doubt about it. And there is something to be said about the whole team being a little looser. Bear in mind that Mitchell was trying to get them to execute consistently well, perhaps something they are not quite capable of on a level that will take them far into the playoffs. But they are going to have to take steps in that direction all the same, and I'm not sure if just being loosey goosey gets that done.
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Bargs is still trying to regain his confidence after the failed experiment to play him at SF.... which Sam implemented. I can't fault Sam for trying it initially but it obviously wasn't working.

Bargs is still a young, impressionable player. But the amazing thing is that as "bad" as he played yesterday he STILL played his ass off on D and contributed in a big way. Something that wasn't always the case in the past when his shot wasn't falling.
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Bargs is still trying to regain his confidence after the failed experiment to play him at SF.... which Sam implemented. I can't fault Sam for trying it initially but it obviously wasn't working.

Bargs is still a young, impressionable player. But the amazing thing is that as "bad" as he played yesterday he STILL played his ass off on D and contributed in a big way. Something that wasn't always the case in the past when his shot wasn't falling.
Oh c'mon with the excuses. The experiment worked before it failed. It only really failed first in the Denver game, and Triano kept it going from there.

And Bargnani has played nice defense all season long. I can think of only one game where he didn't seem to have some impact. He contributed in much bigger ways in past games. And he's simply had a much better feel for the game in the matchups before Triano took over. So let's stop stretching things.
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So if Sam was killing Andrea and Joey's confidence - why did they play so well under him this season, and why is Andrea struggling since Sam left?

I will agree that Kapono should have been starting for some time now, and that a guy like Moon was definitely overthinking everything too much, but it's not like he's getting to the freethrow line now like he should be. Still - his overall game is looking much better, no doubt about it. And there is something to be said about the whole team being a little looser. Bear in mind that Mitchell was trying to get them to execute consistently well, perhaps something they are not quite capable of on a level that will take them far into the playoffs. But they are going to have to take steps in that direction all the same, and I'm not sure if just being loosey goosey gets that done.
But the problem is for whatever reason the team had just stopped listening to Sam. I think the biggest impact has been with Joey. As for Andrea with Triano it could be better for him as well. It seems that Triano is willing to run plays for Andrea and give him chances to be a factor. He also has shown a better defensive effort for the entire year. A more loose attitude if teaching and learning is happening is fine. Subtle changes like watching film together as a group is an example of a positive more open atmosphere that will allow more freedom of expression. I like some of the early things I am hearing about Triano. I was as big a Sam Supporter as you will find but he just had lost the ear of his team and after that it really doesn't matter how good or bad you are as a coach.
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Oh c'mon with the excuses. The experiment worked before it failed. It only really failed first in the Denver game, and Triano kept it going from there.

And Bargnani has played nice defense all season long. I can think of only one game where he didn't seem to have some impact. He contributed in much bigger ways in past games. And he's simply had a much better feel for the game in the matchups before Triano took over. So let's stop stretching things.
And he's still playing good defense right now. So what's the problem? He's just missing shots now.
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But the problem is for whatever reason the team had just stopped listening to Sam. I think the biggest impact has been with Joey. As for Andrea with Triano it could be better for him as well. It seems that Triano is willing to run plays for Andrea and give him chances to be a factor. He also has shown a better defensive effort for the entire year. A more loose attitude if teaching and learning is happening is fine. Subtle changes like watching film together as a group is an example of a positive more open atmosphere that will allow more freedom of expression. I like some of the early things I am hearing about Triano. I was as big a Sam Supporter as you will find but he just had lost the ear of his team and after that it really doesn't matter how good or bad you are as a coach.
And this is what I don't think that any of the Sam supporters understood.

If your team tunes you out, you're done. And it had become painfully obvious that that's what happened this season.
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we all understood, TO. we just had more faith in the coach rather than the bunch of puffs out on the court.
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Jay Triano said it best..
Toronto cant compete with JO, Bosh and Bargnani in the starting line-up, leaving only one big man on the bench.....
even if you put Bargnani on the bench our big men on the bench only average 7 rebounds a game...that doesnt cut it in the NBA
Colengelo set this team up for failure. we need another big man who rebound and play defence... dont really need another scoring big man.

Its not entirely mitchell's fault. smitch did make some poor decisions. but he was overall a good coach given the talent he had to work with.
Its phoenix all over again. colengelo forgets how important big men are.
he got shaq, but colengelo didnt consider shaq couldnt run....
now the suns have changed their whole philosophy on the court.

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