Our options as of right now

moremilk · 07-04-2009, 04:40 PM

I'm shocked at how many Bosh supporters are not please with us signing hedu for 10. Guys, this move is a bad move, but it's the ONLY way we have a shot at keeping Bosh and maintain some flexibility for the future.

IF next season we're not good enough, and Bosh leaves, hedu will still have good value in a trade. Marion at 10/yr is a bad move because next summer would be close to impossible to trade him, especially if he wants 5 years. That's ridiculous.

As I said from the beginning, my first choice would have been to trade everything but andreea (and jose if we can't get rubio), and start over. My second choice would have been marion for 4 years. But if I have to choose between hedu at 5x10 and marion at 5x10, that's an easy choice for me.

Febreezy · 07-04-2009, 05:21 PM

I'd blow the team up and trade bosh, for an up and coming superstar(Kevin Durant,Oj Mayo) or a package of young talent.

Admiral · 07-04-2009, 05:24 PM

^^
you say it like the other teams are going to trade us the likes of durant or mayo

B-RAD · 07-04-2009, 06:00 PM

i picked something else marion will sign for less than 10 mill. and 5 years. i think we trade Bosh for shit but, it is so we can sign hedo and marion and delfino and kleiza,jonesand/or jones, barnes.

07-04-2009, 06:16 PM

Other... trade Bargs/Banks for Lee/Duhon.

seems reasonable right?

CripwalkinK · 07-04-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bmats7

Other... trade Bargs/Banks for Lee/Duhon.

seems reasonable right?

Why would you want that? Bargnani's a better scorer, defender and overall player. I'm not taking anything away from Lee's consistency on the boards but consider that he was playing with the Knicks in a high octane offensive style of play and that he was their only (and I mean only) center. Other then that, he can't offer more to Toronto then what Bargnani was doing last season.

07-04-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CripwalkinK

Why would you want that? Bargnani's a better scorer, defender and overall player. I'm not taking anything away from Lee's consistency on the boards but consider that he was playing with the Knicks in a high octane offensive style of play and that he was their only (and I mean only) center. Other then that, he can't offer more to Toronto then what Bargnani was doing last season.

Oh I agree Bargnani is better than Lee by a little. But getting rid of banks' contract and getting Duhon a good gaurd in the process would make up that difference.

Again... this was a poll. It is my opinion lol, you don't have to agree with me. But I think it would help us out. And that was a rumour I heard anyway, being interested in Lee.

Hopefully BC can pull this one off and maybe even pick up Chandler in the process.

**thriller92** · 07-04-2009, 06:42 PM

If we suck(likely because of injury or Hedo not living up to his game in ORL) how would Hedos 4 yrs left at 10 mil plus attract any team?

Rimpianto · 07-04-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by moremilk

I'm shocked at how many Bosh supporters are not please with us signing hedu for 10. Guys, this move is a bad move, but it's the ONLY way we have a shot at keeping Bosh and maintain some flexibility for the future.

Sure about this?
After paying Hedo so much, how we can give Bosh a max-deal next year?
Seems more a move to cover a Bosh departure.

Gurk · 07-04-2009, 08:05 PM

We can give Bosh a 30 mil deal cuz we can go over the cap to sign him

Formless · 07-04-2009, 08:13 PM

What a ridiculous deal. The only person that would be worth that much is (maybe) LeBron

Gurk · 07-04-2009, 08:20 PM

I am just saying we can give him that mich. If we do I would cry

tvett6 · 07-04-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Formless

What a ridiculous deal. The only person that would be worth that much is (maybe) LeBron

Actually, if Turk was a free agent next year he woulda got alot more. This will seem like a bargain steal when you see what some guys get next year. Nobody had any cap room this year. Next year half the league could end up with cap room.

Mr4thQuarter · 07-04-2009, 08:38 PM

It's a tough one between trading Bosh now or anything else, but like somebody else said it's questionable that teams will line up to trade away much talent (potential franchise players) for him, even more so since he's going to be FA anyway, thus available, also to others.

If Raptors would go for a rebuild I think signing Hedo Turkoglu wouldn't make sense.
He's in his prime, so that's signing is all about now. I think it's the right move.

I'm kind of a Turkoglu fan and so I followed the rumours. I would've liked to see him play for the Blazers too and I was actually a bit disappointed when that rumour turned out to be false. Many Blazers fans were relieved about it, just like some of you because of the amount of $$$, but I think they overlook the fact that they would be better off spending now that they still can and add a valuable player than not spend at all or on a lesser player.

The Raptors face the same situation and they got the biggest prize of the FA class.
Hedo will make them a better team I think, and they have to improve now if they are aiming for Bosh to stay. In that respect Toronto should be considered even under more pressure than Cleveland. And I think aiming for a playoff run and for Bosh to stay is a good choice because you have to take risk to reach your ultimate goal, and Raptors think their best chance of winning is with Bosh.

Reading that Hedo is the biggest FA to ever sign for Toronto reinforces that imo.
If it's apparently that hard to attract star players you better try and keep the one(s) you got!

CripwalkinK · 07-04-2009, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bmats7

Oh I agree Bargnani is better than Lee by a little. But getting rid of banks' contract and getting Duhon a good gaurd in the process would make up that difference.

Again... this was a poll. It is my opinion lol, you don't have to agree with me. But I think it would help us out. And that was a rumour I heard anyway, being interested in Lee.

Hopefully BC can pull this one off and maybe even pick up Chandler in the process.

I just can't seem to understand how it would help us out. Why would you give up a center (who can actually create for himself) just for the sake of getting rid of Banks' contract? That's the only plus I see in this deal. Duhon isn't necessary, we got Roko Ukic who's been improving and if we're that desperate for a PG, we'll pick up a veteran PG of some sort along the way.

07-04-2009, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CripwalkinK

I just can't seem to understand how it would help us out. Why would you give up a center (who can actually create for himself) just for the sake of getting rid of Banks' contract? That's the only plus I see in this deal. Duhon isn't necessary, we got Roko Ukic who's been improving and if we're that desperate for a PG, we'll pick up a veteran PG of some sort along the way.

Lee averages 12 rebounds a game for one.. he finds a way to get a double double through good and bad stretches. and Duhon is alot better than Ukic. Not to mention if we can get chandler.. that solves some depth problems because of the Turk signing...

maybe this is all a part of BC's master plan.

Dark Knight · 07-04-2009, 08:51 PM

I chose Hedo. I'm starting to like the deal. He have decent starting 5, we just need to sign and trade Marion and/or Parker so we can get the MLE to use on an impact bench player.

Snooch · 07-04-2009, 08:57 PM

Team needs alot more grit in the front court.

I really dont think Bosh and Turk will play well together unless Bosh does indeed come back alot stronger this season and focuses entirely on defense. If Bosh can do that then I will be impressed with him and the teams results will be much better than if the same Bosh we all have seen over the last 3 years shows up to play.

Bargs and Turk and whoever at sg can carry the majority of the offense now, Bosh just give me some KG type numbers (defense included).

Dark Knight · 07-04-2009, 09:00 PM

Bosh is excited to play with Turk this season he said on his Twitter, so it sounds like he'll be back next season. If we signed Marion, Bosh probably would have been gone this summer.

RAPMAN · 07-04-2009, 09:13 PM

Where is the emphasis of defense and toughness. Again, BC has focus of offense. Right now, we have the worst defensive and rebounding starting line-up in the NBA. Why does BC use so much of the cap space on third tier stars (Rasho-8 million, JO-20 million, Hedo-10 million).

View Poll Results: What would be our best move now
Blow up the team, trade bosh and start over	10	29.41%
Sign Hedu at 5x10	17	50.00%
Sign Marion at 5x10	1	2.94%
Don't sign either at that price, try to make a move at restricted FA and risk coming empty handed	2	5.88%
Something else (please explain and try to be realistic about it ...)	4	11.76%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

07-04-2009, 04:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
moremilk is whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 5,265 Representing:	Our options as of right now I'm shocked at how many Bosh supporters are not please with us signing hedu for 10. Guys, this move is a bad move, but it's the ONLY way we have a shot at keeping Bosh and maintain some flexibility for the future. IF next season we're not good enough, and Bosh leaves, hedu will still have good value in a trade. Marion at 10/yr is a bad move because next summer would be close to impossible to trade him, especially if he wants 5 years. That's ridiculous. As I said from the beginning, my first choice would have been to trade everything but andreea (and jose if we can't get rubio), and start over. My second choice would have been marion for 4 years. But if I have to choose between hedu at 5x10 and marion at 5x10, that's an easy choice for me.

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Febreezy is Thanking Trinidad for giving me Nicki I <3 Nicki Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Anywhere there's Internet Posts: 2,616 Representing:	I'd blow the team up and trade bosh, for an up and coming superstar(Kevin Durant,Oj Mayo) or a package of young talent.

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Admiral is Sick, Wicked, and Nasty! Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 738 Representing:	^^ you say it like the other teams are going to trade us the likes of durant or mayo

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B-RAD is a gearbox of epic proportions. Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,051 Representing:	i picked something else marion will sign for less than 10 mill. and 5 years. i think we trade Bosh for shit but, it is so we can sign hedo and marion and delfino and kleiza,jonesand/or jones, barnes.

07-04-2009, 06:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
Bmats7 is dead inside. (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	Other... trade Bargs/Banks for Lee/Duhon. seems reasonable right?

07-04-2009, 06:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
thriller92 is I HATE YOU LEBRON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ottawa Posts: 5,466 Representing:	If we suck(likely because of injury or Hedo not living up to his game in ORL) how would Hedos 4 yrs left at 10 mil plus attract any team?

07-04-2009, 08:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
Gurk is awesome ¡Viva España! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Home Posts: 15,710 Representing:	We can give Bosh a 30 mil deal cuz we can go over the cap to sign him

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Formless is a douchebag! Go douchebag power! Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Richmond Hill Posts: 629 Representing:	What a ridiculous deal. The only person that would be worth that much is (maybe) LeBron

07-04-2009, 08:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
Gurk is awesome ¡Viva España! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Home Posts: 15,710 Representing:	I am just saying we can give him that mich. If we do I would cry

07-04-2009, 08:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mr4thQuarter is the go-to-guy avatar by F1nir_ Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,772 Representing:	It's a tough one between trading Bosh now or anything else, but like somebody else said it's questionable that teams will line up to trade away much talent (potential franchise players) for him, even more so since he's going to be FA anyway, thus available, also to others. If Raptors would go for a rebuild I think signing Hedo Turkoglu wouldn't make sense. He's in his prime, so that's signing is all about now. I think it's the right move. I'm kind of a Turkoglu fan and so I followed the rumours. I would've liked to see him play for the Blazers too and I was actually a bit disappointed when that rumour turned out to be false. Many Blazers fans were relieved about it, just like some of you because of the amount of $$$, but I think they overlook the fact that they would be better off spending now that they still can and add a valuable player than not spend at all or on a lesser player. The Raptors face the same situation and they got the biggest prize of the FA class. Hedo will make them a better team I think, and they have to improve now if they are aiming for Bosh to stay. In that respect Toronto should be considered even under more pressure than Cleveland. And I think aiming for a playoff run and for Bosh to stay is a good choice because you have to take risk to reach your ultimate goal, and Raptors think their best chance of winning is with Bosh. Reading that Hedo is the biggest FA to ever sign for Toronto reinforces that imo. If it's apparently that hard to attract star players you better try and keep the one(s) you got!

07-04-2009, 08:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
Dark Knight is part of the Official Jose Calderon Fanclub. Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SJ's candy van Posts: 7,880 Representing:	I chose Hedo. I'm starting to like the deal. He have decent starting 5, we just need to sign and trade Marion and/or Parker so we can get the MLE to use on an impact bench player.

07-04-2009, 08:57 PM	#18 (permalink)
Snooch is Kobe i's the b'y Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: In the Paint Posts: 6,967 Representing:	Team needs alot more grit in the front court. I really dont think Bosh and Turk will play well together unless Bosh does indeed come back alot stronger this season and focuses entirely on defense. If Bosh can do that then I will be impressed with him and the teams results will be much better than if the same Bosh we all have seen over the last 3 years shows up to play. Bargs and Turk and whoever at sg can carry the majority of the offense now, Bosh just give me some KG type numbers (defense included).

07-04-2009, 09:00 PM	#19 (permalink)
Dark Knight is part of the Official Jose Calderon Fanclub. Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SJ's candy van Posts: 7,880 Representing:	Bosh is excited to play with Turk this season he said on his Twitter, so it sounds like he'll be back next season. If we signed Marion, Bosh probably would have been gone this summer.

07-04-2009, 09:13 PM	#20 (permalink)
RAPMAN is dead inside. Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 849 Representing:	Where is the emphasis of defense and toughness. Again, BC has focus of offense. Right now, we have the worst defensive and rebounding starting line-up in the NBA. Why does BC use so much of the cap space on third tier stars (Rasho-8 million, JO-20 million, Hedo-10 million).