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ollyaaa 11-20-2012 11:28 PM

Our habit of getting euro players.
 
sometimes I wonder if the huge diversity in culture and background of our players tends to make us struggle on court because of off court chemistry.

Also, wouldn't collecting euro players (because Americans don't want to stay) further alienate our club with future USA free agents?

Thoughts?

Dario 11-20-2012 11:29 PM

we've been doing this for years.

jeffb 11-20-2012 11:29 PM

:face4:

Dario 11-20-2012 11:32 PM

JV's getting along with everyone great off the court , I think bargs struggles talking to people though for some reason, i never see him smile. in-game or off the court

ollyaaa 11-20-2012 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 706766)
:face4:

What does this mean?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dario (Post 706774)
JV's getting along with everyone great off the court , I think bargs struggles talking to people though for some reason, i never see him smile. in-game or off the court

Bargs looks stone cold to me. 0 emotion. I can't help but thing examples like this mean we have a group of players who never communicate as frankly as they might around people they feel are more similar to themselves.

Dario 11-20-2012 11:36 PM

Bargs should play in europe after we trade him.

Bargn88 11-20-2012 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ollyaaa (Post 706780)
What does this mean?



Bargs looks stone cold to me. 0 emotion. I can't help but thing examples like this mean we have a group of players who never communicate as frankly as they might around people they feel are more similar to themselves.

Just because someone has a certain type or persona or demeanor doesn't mean they don't communicate or don't care?

Do you remember last year when Bargnani pulled his calf in Utah? He was throwing towels and screaming, and I think he was even crying on the bench.

Certain players can keep their emotions in check regardless of the situation. Also they do communicate, though getting to know one another also plays a factor. For example, Bargnani, Calderon and Derozan have very strong communication because they have played with each other for over 3-4 years.

Someguy again 11-21-2012 12:01 AM

ross, derozan, lowry, fields, ed davis and amir johnson have some european in them! its a conspiracy!

DrFunk3385 11-21-2012 12:05 AM

Further to this - I get that our 'Canada's Team' nonsense is great for marketing (even though the last thing Toronto could be accused of is being Canada's anything)... but c'mon.. the red and white, the maple leaf... It's stupid. Most of the players in the NBA are American - and thus, indoctrinated with American patriotism. It's bad enough playing outside of their country, bad enough playing for Toronto - you don't have to paste a frickin maple leaf on the jersey they're playing in and rub it in their face - as if they're playing for our national team or something. It's completely counter-intuitive.

If anything, we should abandon the Canadiana thing.

And to the Euro connection - it might be more interesting if we could actually draft and develop decent Euro players. San Antonio seems to be able to do it. We love Euros, but we suck at picking them. It's incredibly frustrating to have a roster filled with white, soft Euro stiffs when random other non-Euro-centric, non 'international city' teams manage to pick up fantastic Euro players late in the first, into the second round.

pzabby 11-21-2012 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DrFunk3385 (Post 706813)
Further to this - I get that our 'Canada's Team' nonsense is great for marketing (even though the last thing Toronto could be accused of is being Canada's anything)... but c'mon.. the red and white, the maple leaf... It's stupid. Most of the players in the NBA are American - and thus, indoctrinated with American patriotism. It's bad enough playing outside of their country, bad enough playing for Toronto - you don't have to paste a frickin maple leaf on the jersey they're playing in and rub it in their face - as if they're playing for our national team or something. It's completely counter-intuitive.

If anything, we should abandon the Canadiana thing.

And to the Euro connection - it might be more interesting if we could actually draft and develop decent Euro players. San Antonio seems to be able to do it. We love Euros, but we suck at picking them. It's incredibly frustrating to have a roster filled with white, soft Euro stiffs when random other non-Euro-centric, non 'international city' teams manage to pick up fantastic Euro players late in the first, into the second round.

never! be proud, living in the best country in the world son! be proud!

ohhh Caaaaanadaaaaa....

Beans 11-21-2012 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ollyaaa (Post 706780)
Bargs looks stone cold to me. 0 emotion.

Magicians. Pft.

Amir played like a Belgian that last game.

just4_raps 11-21-2012 12:29 AM

we have 4 euros on our team. i haven't looked into this, but i'm pretty sure thats around or 1 player above the league average.

so whats the big deal here?

TORaptor4Ever 11-21-2012 12:45 AM

Seems like all the good euro players end up in Minny.....

just4_raps 11-21-2012 12:53 AM

or utah. well not so much now, but 4-5 years ago...

Windex 11-21-2012 01:03 AM

Spurs

3 French Players
1 Argentinian
1 Brazilian

Thats not even counting the Canadian, Australian and Virgin Islands player that played college ball in the US

seems to work for them

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 11-21-2012 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windex (Post 706838)
Spurs

3 French Players
1 Argentinian
1 Brazilian

Thats not even counting the Canadian, Australian and Virgin Islands player that played college ball in the US

seems to work for them

Well said. However, the Spurs actually know how to draft in the 2nd round.

Zalgiris 11-21-2012 06:18 AM

what are you talking about! JV and Kleiza aren't soft!!! Calderon isn't soft either. Don't trash all euro population just because of one Bargnani

Spurs also have Yugoslavic coach

And how can Euro players be soft, when in Europe they play by much tougher rules than in the soft nba? look at JV, gets fouled for every touch. soft nba is soft

moujik 11-21-2012 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zalgiris (Post 706850)
what are you talking about! JV and Kleiza aren't soft!!! Calderon isn't soft either. Don't trash all euro population just because of one Bargnani

Spurs also have Yugoslavic coach

And how can Euro players be soft, when in Europe they play by much tougher rules than in the soft nba? look at JV, gets fouled for every touch. soft nba is soft

People are afraid to appear racist, so they say "European", when they mean offence only players. That includes white American players.
But "European" can also mean South American or Australian in ignorant NBA.
So these two "Europeans" get confused.
Bargnani is the prime example of European though. A dying breed with the move towards dynamic small ball, you can say, a dinosaur :)

Rene_13 11-21-2012 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrFunk3385 (Post 706813)
Further to this - I get that our 'Canada's Team' nonsense is great for marketing (even though the last thing Toronto could be accused of is being Canada's anything)... but c'mon.. the red and white, the maple leaf... It's stupid. Most of the players in the NBA are American - and thus, indoctrinated with American patriotism. It's bad enough playing outside of their country, bad enough playing for Toronto - you don't have to paste a frickin maple leaf on the jersey they're playing in and rub it in their face - as if they're playing for our national team or something. It's completely counter-intuitive.

If anything, we should abandon the Canadiana thing.

And to the Euro connection - it might be more interesting if we could actually draft and develop decent Euro players. San Antonio seems to be able to do it. We love Euros, but we suck at picking them. It's incredibly frustrating to have a roster filled with white, soft Euro stiffs when random other non-Euro-centric, non 'international city' teams manage to pick up fantastic Euro players late in the first, into the second round.

I thought we dropped that whole Canada's Team business a long time ago? They kept the maple leaf on the third jersey, but we still have Toronto on the black jersey. Also, the website used to have all that bs about Canada's team, but no longer has it. I think they tried that cross Canada marketing scheme, and clearly no one cares other than the GTA anyways, at least in a large scale. I totally agree though, this is Toronto's team, and the Canada's team thing never made any sense. I was at a mall in Barrie recently, and happened to walk by their sports store and they didn't even stock basketball jerseys. This is a town less than 100kms away from Toronto, and one of their sports stores doesn't even stock Raptors stuff. And there's even an NHL lockout to boot. For me, it's always been Toronto's team, and always will be.

DDUnreal 11-21-2012 11:33 AM

Its only Toronto's team because its too embarrassing to be a fan of it elsewhere.


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