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Old 01-02-2009, 04:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Here an article from the Toronto Star today(not sure if it posted here):
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What ails Jermaine O'Neal? It is, he says, fluid on his bruised right knee that will "probably" keep him out of tonight's game against the Rockets.

What ails the Raptors? Perhaps, not unlike his ongoing knee troubles, it's a matter of miles on the biological odometer. In the case of O'Neal's teammates, they haven't rolled up enough.

"I think it boils down to experience. How much experience do we actually have?" O'Neal, 30, said yesterday, attempting to explain why his team is eight games under .500 with 50 to go. "I've never even looked at playoff experience on this team. I've never even looked at it."

To do the research, O'Neal's 70 games of post-season work dwarf the combined totals of the rest of the club. The nine other Raptors averaging 10 or more minutes a game this season can together claim 67 playoff outings. And though Jason Kapono is the only resident owner of an NBA championship ring, he saw action in four games of Miami's 2006 title run.

Indeed, the club's lack of athleticism is an oft-chronicled weakness that needs to be addressed, and management, from president and GM Bryan Colangelo to aides Marc Eversley and Masai Ujiri, spent a lot of post-practice time huddling with Chris Bosh yesterday, presumably showing the all-star the calluses on their BlackBerry thumbs as proof of serious pursuit of possible team-improving deals.

But O'Neal pinpointed a breach in the roster that isn't as often dissected: Their tendency toward venison-in-the-headlights demises.

"I'm interested to see how many double-digit leads we've given up this year. I would have to say 16 or 17," said O'Neal.

The Raptors are second in the NBA in losing games in which they've held double-digit leads this season, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. They've done it seven times; the Pacers lead the category with nine. Perhaps the Raptors' number seems low to O'Neal because they have squandered other big leads and hung on to win. And in a couple of recent losses – to Denver on Wednesday and to San Antonio – they built leads of seven and eight points, respectively, before buckling.

"I don't know if we understand what causes a team to lose. It's pretty basic," said O'Neal. "We're just not getting that effort. Sometimes when the games get tight we get a little tentative about what we want to do and don't play the same way. It's almost a tale of two teams in two halves ... (It) has been our Achilles heel."

It's certainly been one of them. Jay Triano, the interim head coach, was lamenting another weak spot yesterday: His team's habit of incessantly looking over at the bench for guidance at the expense of pushing the pace. Again, perhaps the constant seeking of a coach's input is a function of relative inexperience. Jose Calderon, the point guard, is expected to log his 108th NBA start tonight. As a first-five guy in the world's best league, he's a veritable toddler, even if he is 27 years old. Something, said O'Neal, must change.

"We've lost games pretty much the same identical way. And we've got to figure out a way to get out of it," said O'Neal. "You can't draw it up any better. You can't practice it any better. The players have got to do the job."
Jermaine O'neal sees it and Triano sees it...
jose doesnt run the point as well as he could.
now, all you jose supporters who think its because he injured his hamstring or anything else as the reason why the Raptors are sucking on offense, argue with JO and Jay. im sure you know Calderon better than they do.
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Old 01-02-2009, 04:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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How the fuck do you read that as a knock on Jose.

You're a trolling and you know it.
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Old 01-02-2009, 04:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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because i know how to read.
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Old 01-02-2009, 04:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Please tell me exactly in what part of that article Oneal and Triano say Calderon doesnt run the Point as well as he could. Im not arguing if its true or not.
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Old 01-02-2009, 04:48 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The juxtapositioning of Feshuck's ideas is confusing Stress.

The only thing said about Jose was that he is a veritable toddler, and it was said by Feschuk.
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Old 01-02-2009, 04:58 PM   #6 (permalink)
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i know the columnist said "team" but who else stops pushing the ball to set up the offense????
yes he called Calderon a veritable toddler because he always stops to setup the offense instead of pushing the ball and creating shots while the defense is not set. he never takes advantage of it.
he played with these guys for so long, you'd expect jose to know where guys want the ball by now.
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:02 PM   #7 (permalink)
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So, you basically interpreted it the way you wanted and put your thoughs in Trianos and Oneals mouth.
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:09 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I see nothing in that article knocking Calderon. I'm not even sure how you attempt to draw that conclusion after reading that. He's not the best pg in the game, maybe not even for the Raptors, but hes not anywhere near the biggest issue on this team. I'm a new member here and the anti Bosh/Calderon banter is already unbelievable. You would swear its a 2 man team after reading some of the comments on this board.
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I never knew Jcrap only played 4 games when they won... lmfao, so much for the ppl saying here was integrall in that championship, as integral as Hassan Adams.

Also what is JO saying, he has experience, the rest dont, it's their fault not his??
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Please tell me exactly in what part of that article Oneal and Triano say Calderon doesnt run the Point as well as he could. Im not arguing if its true or not.
once jay tells the media he wishes jose would push the ball more then he doesnt think jose is running the point well.
he's done that a couple times already

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...As a first-five guy in the world's best league, he's a veritable toddler, even if he is 27 years old. Something, said O'Neal, must change.
theres very few in the NBA who will call out a player.
all we get are subtlties.
its not like jay tells the media "jose is doing everything necessary for us to win."
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Im still waiting for you to point me in what part of the article did triano and Oneal say that....
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:39 PM   #12 (permalink)
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youre funny.
just watch the game and count how many times jose pulls the ball up to setup the offense while the other team's defense is getting set instead of passing the ball to someone going into the paint.

and jay has said on tv already he wishes jose would push the ball more and i feel he's saying it again in this article.
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Old 01-02-2009, 06:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
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StresS, I have a two degrees and a graduate degree and I still don't understand how you're interpreting this and I'm qualifying myself to show you that I know how to read.

No offence, but what you're doing is you're simply attempting taking two words inserted by a writer and attempting to to say, see, see, the coach and our second best player say that.

Listen, until Chris Bosh, our leader, comes out and says, Jose Calderon freaking sucks, I won't buy this Calderon is being criticized by the coach/players crap. You may absolutely hate the guy, but he's a hell of a ball player, in the top half of PGs in the league and has improved every season until now. He's a damn good player and far from the sole problem of this team.

Maybe looking at this game in the macro rather than the micro could better inform your opinion. Until then, making ridiculous statements like this, will make me just laugh at your inability to comprehend to understand what you're reading.
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I won the Reading Award in Grade 2 and I don't see how you're interpreting all of that from this article.
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Old 01-02-2009, 06:36 PM   #15 (permalink)
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....I don't see it
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Old 01-02-2009, 06:38 PM   #16 (permalink)
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i dont see how you get that info from this article
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I can't help but notice that you're a little hateful towards Jose.
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Old 01-02-2009, 09:27 PM   #19 (permalink)
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It's definitely not only jose.
I remember a game when joey looked over at the bench after giving a foul (they had a foul to give) and asking triano if he wanted another foul.

It's not just jose that's looking at the bench for "guidance", i believe they're used to sam making every move like pieces on a chessboard.

*and re-reading that article, i also don't see where he blames jose
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joey doesnt look for guidance at the expense of pushing the pace...
whatever guys.
you will see the light.
2-1 without Calderon this year.
not to mention we looked alot better.
alot more active.
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