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Old 08-03-2009, 11:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Another list of the top NBA moves this summer.This has got to be the worst list i've seen all summer.

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#56. Rasho Nesterovic signs with the Toronto Raptors (1-yr, $1.9m)
Rasho Nesterovic is like the old dependable friend who is just cute enough to keep you interested when you're single but never quite anybody you'd want to spend more than a year with. Wolves fans would be happy to have him back but the Raptors get him this year.
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#49. Toronto Raptors traded Jason Kapono to the Philadelphia 76ers for Reggie Evans
This was a perfect exchange of role players for two teams lacking in certain areas. I believe I talked about it here. http://talkhoops.net/2009/06/player-swa ... evans.html
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#44. Golden State Warriors traded Marco Belinelli to the Toronto Raptors for Devean George
The torch has been passed from Warriors fans to the Raptors fans to expect Marco Belinelli to be a diamond in the rough type of NBA player. Let's just figure this out right now. He isn't the worst player in the NBA (that's for Sasha Pavlovic and Jared Jeffries to decide) but the only chance of him playing consistent, meaningful minutes on a team is if he's helping them tank.
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#37. Jarrett Jack signs with the Toronto Raptors (4-yrs, $20m)
This move seems to indicate just how desperate Bryan Colangelo is to win this year in hopes of convincing Chris Bosh to stay and also shows you just how confident they are in Roko Ukic being capable of helping the team win now. Jack will be a nice change of pace when Jose Calderon comes out of the game with his scoring and ability to create his own jumper. The price tag is a little alarming because they overpaid for him but if it helps them win and keep Bosh in Toronto then it'll all be worth it.
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#28. Toronto Raptors signs Andrea Bargnani to a contract extension (5-yrs, $50m)
I really like what I've seen from Bargnani over the past year and think that he's developing into a really nice player. But a $50 million price tag seems to be a bit much for this former number one pick. This may be another move of desperation by BC to keep Bosh around or prepare to not lose a high draft pick like Bargnani who they feel is developing into a star. But whatever it is, one fact remains to be true - Andrea has a fantastic agent.
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#5. Memphis Grizzlies traded for Jerry Stackhouse, 2016 2nd round pick. Orlando Magic traded for cash, $9m trade exception.
Dallas Mavericks traded for Shawn Marion (5-yrs, $38m), Greg Buckner, Kris Humphries, Nathan Jawai, cash.
Toronto Raptors traded for Hedo Turkoglu (5-yrs, $53m), Devean George, Antoine Wright.
The teams that this truly matters for are everybody involved that isn't named the Grizzlies.

For Dallas, they've acquired a potentially great role player in Shawn Marion who could thrive with someone like Jason Kidd finding him in advantageous scoring positions. The money isn't bad as long as he produces and they now have more flexibility in moving Josh Howard for a big man. Kris Humphries also gives them a solid role player off the bench to spell Dirk for 15 minutes per game.

For Toronto, this is their homerun swing to keep Bosh in Canada. Hedo Turkoglu gives them a bigger name and someone who could thrive in an up-tempo style. He will take a lot of the scoring pressure off of Bosh and allow him to trust his teammates on the perimeter more. The money is a little ridiculous but the Raptors now have a shot at playing deeper into the playoffs this season than they did before this trade.

And for Orlando, the most under-talked about aspect of this trade is they get a $9 million trade exception to use in the next year. They don't have to use it by the deadline; they get to wait until next summer and possibly use it then when all of the wheeling and dealing is going on. They're no longer just stuck with the team they have due to salary cap restraints. They can acquire another key veteran to put next to Vince, Dwight, and Shard. Otis Smith is bringing me back to his side.
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#1. Lamar Odom re-signs with the Los Angeles Lakers (4-yrs, $33m)
The Lakers won the off-season by keeping Lamar Odom and having a good small forward to go with him. It didn't really matter if it was Ariza or Artest for this next season. They're immediately the title favorites because they have essentially the same team as last year in terms of versatility, star power, and dynamic play. In the end, Ariza probably would have been a better fit, assuming he signs for the same money that Artest signed for. But there's also no guarantee that he would have continued to step up in the playoffs when called upon.
Re-signing of one of LA's own players is the best move?

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Old 08-03-2009, 11:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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This takes the cake.

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#9. Charlie Villanueva signs with the Detroit Pistons (5-yrs, $35m)
This is actually a really good deal to get someone like Charlie on the Pistons roster. They aren't overpaying for him and he'll provide them with solid scoring and nice perimeter shooting. Plus, they've acquired one of the top NBA Tweeters in the league and will get more exposure thanks to his new media presence. But at the same time, they sacrificed a shot at the title last season in order to pull in him and the next guy? Really?

#8. Ben Gordon signs with the Detroit Pistons (5-yrs, $55m)
I mean, it's not that I have anything against Ben Gordon. But they gave up title contention last season and maybe this season for a cap-clearing Allen Iverson acquisition that led to acquiring two third-tier players instead of a big name free agent to keep the Eastern Conference Finals appearances coming. Now? They're probably a second round team at best for the next few years as they figure out how to move Tayshaun Prince and Richard Hamilton in a way that doesn't cause a revolt. You've almost destroyed Rodney Stuckey's development curve because he now has to figure out how to keep Richard Hamilton and Ben Gordon happy instead of learning how to run a great team under Chauncey Billups. And on top of that, you're paying Steve Nash money to Gordon. Seems like Joe Dumars swung for the fences and ended up flying out to third base.


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Old 08-03-2009, 11:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Doesn't really seam that far off. BC signed a lot of players who have potential, overpaying in some cases. After all those moves the Raptors still may not have a starting SG, aren't likely to challenge for top 3 and may not make the playoffs.
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Doesn't really seam that far off. BC signed a lot of players who have potential, overpaying in some cases. After all those moves the Raptors still may not have a starting SG, aren't likely to challenge for top 3 and may not make the playoffs.



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Old 08-03-2009, 11:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Nope. Just being realistic. I hope that players come through but we all know players aren't likely to change. They were backups and they'll continue to be backups.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:37 PM   #7 (permalink)
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You obviously don't watch much basketball; Hedo a backup?
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:39 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:53 PM   #9 (permalink)
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jeff, you're ridiculous. stop overrating our players like every move should have been number one. our team looks better this year, but we're basing it all on ifs. someone like odom re-signing could be the catalyst to another championship, so number one is appropriate.
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Nope. Just being realistic. I hope that players come through but we all know players aren't likely to change. They were backups and they'll continue to be backups.
Hedo starter.
Jack starter.
Rasho starter for every year except for last year and still started a few games.
The deal for marco was a steal and remember he averages 9 ppg off the bench.
Antoine Wright starter.

I think you're being unrealistic.
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Doesn't really seam that far off. BC signed a lot of players who have potential, overpaying in some cases. After all those moves the Raptors still may not have a starting SG, aren't likely to challenge for top 3 and may not make the playoffs.
I find it hard to understand how you think the Raptors barring injuries may not make the playoffs, with a great bench and good starting five I don't see them out of the 4-6th seed. If you look at the projected 5th-15th teams in the east, most severely lack not only the great players i.e CB4, Hedo, but the depth of which is crucial if a team is to be successful in this league.
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I find it hard to understand how you think the Raptors barring injuries may not make the playoffs, with a great bench and good starting five I don't see them out of the 4-6th seed. If you look at the projected 5th-15th teams in the east, most severely lack not only the great players i.e CB4, Hedo, but the depth of which is crucial if a team is to be successful in this league.
No team is good unless you have the following starting 5

PG - Chris Paul,
SG - Kobe
SF - Lebron
PF - Bosh
C - Howard
and Red Auerbach as he head coach with assistants phil jackson and greg poppovich.....

right?
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jeff, you're ridiculous. stop overrating our players like every move should have been number one. our team looks better this year, but we're basing it all on ifs. someone like odom re-signing could be the catalyst to another championship, so number one is appropriate.
My friend you are doing the same.. you are basing the Odom move as an if, but if we are basing it as to what you are suggesting they should be, the Odom signing should just be as important as the Andre Miller signing with Portland.
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No team is good unless you have the following starting 5

PG - Chris Paul,
SG - Kobe
SF - Lebron
PF - Bosh
C - Howard
and Red Auerbach as he head coach with assistants phil jackson and greg poppovich.....

right?
A few things about this reply.. 1. If your looking for the best team possible, replace bosh. 2. I don't know if you understand what I wrote there, you are assuming that I said no team is good.. If you read again I stated that MOST teams projected in the EAST from SEEDS 5th-15th (assuming we're the 4th seed) do not have the depth from the starters to the bench such as us. I also said I was shocked if we do not end up 4th-6th seed in the east, I don't understand what your reply is about.
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A few things about this reply.. 1. If your looking for the best team possible, replace bosh. 2. I don't know if you understand what I wrote there, you are assuming that I said no team is good.. If you read again I stated that MOST teams projected in the EAST from SEEDS 5th-15th (assuming we're the 4th seed) do not have the depth from the starters to the bench such as us. I also said I was shocked if we do not end up 4th-6th seed in the east, I don't understand what your reply is about.
I was being sarcastic, in support of what you had to say.

People don't understand how solid the acquisitions we made this summer with what flexibility we had.
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I was being sarcastic, in support of what you had to say.

People don't understand how solid the acquisitions we made this summer with what flexibility we had.
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You obviously don't watch much basketball; Hedo a backup?
I was refering to the SG position. None of them are proven starters.
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I was refering to the SG position. None of them are proven starters.
Agreed. but they're not liabilities either. Wright was a starter and helped dallas get to the playoffs in the difficult west. Marco should play better with toronto's style of offense. My main problem was your statement that the "Raptors may not make the playoffs at all", which i cannot understand...
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My friend you are doing the same.. you are basing the Odom move as an if, but if we are basing it as to what you are suggesting they should be, the Odom signing should just be as important as the Andre Miller signing with Portland.
how is odom re-signing an if? he's a proven commodity with that team already. they don't have to worry about the dynamics of the team with him like we would with hedo or miller fitting with their new systems.
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Hedo starter.
Jack starter.
Rasho starter for every year except for last year and still started a few games.
The deal for marco was a steal and remember he averages 9 ppg off the bench.
Antoine Wright starter.

I think you're being unrealistic.
I agree the team appears better on paper and BC made some good deals considering what he had to offer. But other then Hedo and possibly the resigning of Bargs none of the players are good enough to rank as significant signings which is what the threads about.

Other then Hedo the others may occasionally get starts because they have to fill in, but they aren't starters that get quality minutes. Most don't even play 1/2 the game.

Ya Hedo can start.
Jack's ify as a starter, thankfully he shouldn't have to.
Rasho isn't a starter. He's averaging about 20 minutes a game for years.
Wright is not a starter. He's averaging 19 minutes a game.
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