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Old 12-13-2010, 03:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So I read a post about Mayo to NYK and someone mentioned they'd like to see Mayo in a Raps uni. Here's my take whether its plausible or not:
I would give up Amir and Sonny Weems or Kleiza for Mayo. Demar and Mayo could be the USC Trojan Wings or some other gay name haha. Young Gunz have been fail this year anyway, plus Memphis uses an undersized rotation (Gasol, Randolph, Arthur?! they don't play Thabeet) so I think they'd welcome Amir in the rotation. Also I'd like to see Davis play more, and eventually Alabi.
I'm not sure about the $$ of the deal but I'm just sayin' it'd be awesome...

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Old 12-13-2010, 03:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Amir and Weems plus a first rounder might be enough, but you can't under-estimate Mayo. He is a young wing player with star potential and won't be easy to nab.
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Oh yea I forgot to mention Mayo has been playing less minutes this season for Hollins. I'm not sure why though, I hope it's not an "attitude" problem like Beasley with Miami.
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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There's already a discussion about this in the first Mayo thread, the one posted before the Mayo to NY thread. We now have 3 Mayo threads.

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weems and miamis first round pick for mayo get er done BC
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Too bad other teams could make better offers. Memphis could still make the playoffs. It is way too early for them to give up on that 8th seed. That franchise could really use the extra revenue from post-season gates. They better get something good in return for him.
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How so? We have a couple young players i know i'd part with, we have 3 draft picks next summer, Expirings, TPE.

I would love to do

Derozan, Kleiza, Miami pick

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Mayo, Thabeet (expires after next season)

Irving /Bayless
Mayo/Barbosa
Weems/Wright
Amir/Davis/Dorsey
Bargs/Thabeet/Dorsey
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That deal hardly saves Memphis any money. And they have to take on Kleiza whose been playing like shit. He makes $5 mill this year.

And why would they toss in Thabeet? They used a 2nd overall pick on a project player but you think they will give up on him after 18 months, and then take Kleiza instead? No. Not happening.

Since the the Heat are starting to find a groove, that pick will probably be in the 23-25 range. It won't be that exciting to Memphis.

Other teams can make better offers.
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I wouldn't hesitate to get Mayo at all, hes better than most our wings.
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Toronto doesnt have a chance to land Mayo. Other teams will offer better players for him.
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Yup. At least right now.

For the record, Jeff, I would love to be wrong about this. If Derozan + Miami's pick (or something like that) landed Mayo, I would applaud Colagelo. But I just don't see it happening.
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Probably not, but it could be part of it. All depends on what they're looking for. If they want another young star at a different position then we're fucked, if they want capspace so they can add the right pieces next summer + a prospect/pick then we can do something.
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See, the cap space issue is why I don't think our TPE can help. If Memphis wants to create cap space while also netting a young player, they can do it via trading Zach Randolph. If they are so desperate, they could just trade Zaach for a different expiring (or TPE) + picks/prospect. With Mayo only earning around $5 mill, there really isn't much potential to offer cap relief. The only really big contracts on the Grizz roster are Randolph and Rudy. I don't see them being involved in a deal with Toronto. I don't see Rudy being dealt at all.
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There's a reason why the Grizzlies drafted two shooting guards in the 2010 draft. The writing is on the wall for OJ Mayo.

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Old 12-13-2010, 03:24 PM   #5 (permalink)
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lol let's get this done then, anyone know BC's number???
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:30 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Oh yea I forgot to mention Mayo has been playing less minutes this season for Hollins. I'm not sure why though, I hope it's not an "attitude" problem like Beasley with Miami.
He's mired in a massive shooting slump.
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Old 12-13-2010, 05:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I'd give up Derozan for Mayo. Weems too.
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Old 12-13-2010, 08:08 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Mayo is a beast in the making, plus he got crazy work ethic, if we can acquire him and get him to play with DeMar our future would look great with them + Ed Davis


great chance we won't come close to acquiring him, however.
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Old 12-13-2010, 08:25 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I'd do this one in a second. Barbosa would make the Grizz better now, and Weems would be redundant with Mayo coming to Toronto. Rap's would take a flyer on Thabeet.

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I'd do this one in a second. Barbosa would make the Grizz better now, and Weems would be redundant with Mayo coming to Toronto. Rap's would take a flyer on Thabeet.

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I like Barbosa over Weems. Probably just me, but I wouldn 't do that trade based on how they fit on our team. I'd rather just move Weems for Thabeet... throw in Dorsey to fill. and I guess some TPE....

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Old 12-13-2010, 08:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Barbosa is a talented player but he is on a one year and he is approaching thirty. This flips Barbosa for a younger Mayo and Weems for project centre in Thabeet. It's funny you say that Carp, because I'm more iffy on Weems for Thabeet. If Sonny can increase his ball IQ he could become a 6th man type in time, and Thabeet might never make it.

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Old 12-13-2010, 08:50 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I would give up anyone on this team except bargnani, davis and bayless for Mayo. The guy isn't being used right in memphis.
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Old 12-13-2010, 08:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I would give up anyone on this team except bargnani, davis and bayless for Mayo. The guy isn't being used right in memphis.
I agree. Mayo is what this team needs at the 2 spot and i'd agree that beyond those players everyone else is expendable imo. I mean shit, he's only 23yrs old.
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Barbosa is a talented player but he is on a one year and he is approaching thirty. This flips Barbosa for a younger Mayo and Weems for project centre in Thabeet. It's funny you say that Carp, because I'm more iffy on Weems for Thabeet. If Sonny can increase his ball IQ he could become a 6th man type in time, and Thabeet might never make it.
It's funny that is the case.... I just love what Barbosa brings. This team has been starved for a guy that can get to the rim any time he wants... so while he's nearing 30, I could see him playing for another 7 years at least. It is nice to have veterans on this team that have been in winning situations before.

Mayo is a good talent, but Barbosa is absolutely tested... and I could see him wanting to be here going forward too. Bringing in Mayo means DeRozan is sort of being given up on too.

As far as Weems and Thabeet is concerned..... DeRozan makes Weems redundant (at least eventually he does). 7' C's are very hard to get as well and despite the fact he is looked upon as a bust, his best attributes are his defensive pedigree and athleticism which could bode well for this club. Maybe it's because I see Dorsey as a roster spot only going forward. If one of Thabeet or Alabi could pan out, the Raps are looking solid up front.

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Old 12-13-2010, 09:09 PM   #15 (permalink)
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i would definitely want him in. guy's played 82 games for both of previous seasons with 38 mins. This guy is athletic and weve seen what he can do, bring him in bc!
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It's funny that is the case.... I just love what Barbosa brings. This team has been starved for a guy that can get to the rim any time he wants... so while he's nearing 30, I could see him playing for another 7 years at least. It is nice to have veterans on this team that have been in winning situations before.

Mayo is a good talent, but Barbosa is absolutely tested... and I could see him wanting to be here going forward too. Bringing in Mayo means DeRozan is sort of being given up on too.
On the contrary, I think Mayo will seriously aid Derozan's development. OJ will be able to create space for Derozan by stretching the floor. Also, OJ is a better passer than Barbosa. They can definitely co-exist with Derozan playing 2 and 3 and OJ playing the 1 and 2. Additionally, OJ is a better perimeter defender than the Raps currently have. And he is better at generating steals than Barbosa (and every wing, save for Wright) leading to the important fast break opportunities which keeps this team in games.

I don't really think Barbosa will want to stay in TO. He is aging, will eventually want to have another shot at a title before he retires. Doesn't seem being on a rebuilding Raps team will offer him that chance.

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On the contrary, I think Mayo will seriously aid Derozan's development. OJ will be able to create space for Derozan by stretching the floor. Also, OJ is a better passer than Barbosa. They can definitely co-exist with Derozan playing 2 and 3 and OJ playing the 1 and 2. Additionally, OJ is a better perimeter defender than the Raps currently have. And he is better at generating steals than Barbosa (and every wing, save for Wright) leading to the important fast break opportunities which keeps this team in games.

I don't really think Barbosa will want to stay in TO. He is aging, will eventually want to have another shot at a title before he retires. Doesn't seem being on a rebuilding Raps team will offer him that chance.
Do people seriously think Barbosa is anywhere near retirement?

Regardless, Memphis isn't dumping Mayo and thabeet for expirings.... they probably want cheaper talent to add to their bench for a playoff run.

DD at the 3? Not sure he has the size or the defense. Mayo and DD play the same position IMO.

Maybe I overvalue Barbosa, but the guy competes. Why wouldn't he want to play here if he likes it here? Not every guy sells out just to win a ring. Besides, he also gets to compete internationally for titles.

Hmmm, maybe I overvalue Barbosa the way some overvalue Weems?
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Old 12-13-2010, 09:41 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I don't think you overvalue him. Barbosa is an excellent player - the second best on the Raps IMO. But I don't see him as the second most valuable player in this rebuilding effort. The Raptors need to get value for him that will develop with Bargs/Bayless/Demar/Davis.

I think if the Raps include the Miami pick Memphis may be interested. Grizz owner is cheap, and Barbosa/Weems could save him 9 mill next year - and Weems could be resigned for under 4.
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I don't think you overvalue him. Barbosa is an excellent player - the second best on the Raps IMO. But I don't see him as the second most valuable player in this rebuilding effort. The Raptors need to get value for him that will develop with Bargs/Bayless/Demar/Davis.

I think if the Raps include the Miami pick Memphis may be interested. Grizz owner is cheap, and Barbosa/Weems could save him 9 mill next year - and Weems could be resigned for under 4.
Barbosa has a player option next year... and why can't he be part of the rebuild? The guy isn't close to being done. He has a good rapport with teammates too.
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Barbosa has a player option next year... and why can't he be part of the rebuild? The guy isn't close to being done. He has a good rapport with teammates too.
I'd like to keep until he's 31 or 32, if he loses some of his quickness and some of his scoring punch.
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