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Metallikid 11-13-2012 03:37 AM

Officiating
 
Hey guys, just wanted to make this thread so we can keep track of how shafted we're getting by the refs this season. If people have counter-arguments those are also good. I would like serious arguments/evidence though: video examples, video comparisons, stats, etc.

Here's the one I'd like to bring up. Looking up the advanced team data on Hoopdata I found a very interesting statistic:

We have the highest Opponent's Free Throw Rate (OFTR) in the league. This is opponents free throw attempts divided by their field goal attempts.

Ours is at .40 with Golden State is next behind at .37. The best teams are around the low .20s. If I'm not mistaken (I'm not great at math), that means we have a 15% higher OFTR than the second worse team in the league.

Hoopdata - NBA Team Defensive Stats

There's no way we should be having that many foul shots being attempted against us. All the knocks about our bad defense have centred around blow-bys, bad rebounding and giving the opponent fast break opportunities. I haven't heard a single comment from the commentators, players or coaching staff about fouling too often. And it's abnormally out there in regards to how bad it is. The average is .27 and we're 13 percentage points off of that. (The teams are between .20-.40)

Also it's important to remember that almost all of the other defensive efficiency measurements factor in Opponents' FTA so this would also trend us down in virtually all defensive metrics.

Maybe this is just a quirk but after seven games it's skewed enough to seem unreasonable. Either something's up or our worst problem as a team by far is that we're apparently fouling constantly. :cookie:

ollyaaa 11-13-2012 05:15 AM

Interesting thread this.

I don't see how the more physical defences foul more (Miami, Boston, OKC).

FLO 11-13-2012 08:37 AM

What pisses me off is how people around the league say that if you play aggressive and take it hard to the rim, you'll get the calls. Demar Derozan has singlehandedly disproven that assertion, as he constantly takes it hard to the rim and gets no calls from the bastard refs who hate the Raptors.

moujik 11-13-2012 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FLO (Post 702508)
What pisses me off is how people around the league say that if you play aggressive and take it hard to the rim, you'll get the calls. Demar Derozan has singlehandedly disproven that assertion, as he constantly takes it hard to the rim and gets no calls from the bastard refs who hate the Raptors.

If Valenciunas defended Derozan's drives, Demar would've got the calls :)

DDUnreal 11-13-2012 09:58 AM

This is the NBA. We're outsiders with no stars. It's pretty blatantly obvious that stars get the benefit of the doubt. I know it's not that simple but reputation calls drive me nuts.

carp 11-13-2012 10:48 AM

I'd like to see us be more physical on the perimeter, like Boston is, and not have to rely so much on hacking guys in the paint after blowing by our wings.

JDMtors 11-13-2012 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FLO (Post 702508)
What pisses me off is how people around the league say that if you play aggressive and take it hard to the rim, you'll get the calls. Demar Derozan has singlehandedly disproven that assertion, as he constantly takes it hard to the rim and gets no calls from the bastard refs who hate the Raptors.

The good thing though is that DD is now slowly getting more calls than the last couple of seasons where he drove. He's now doing it consistently and doesnt get every call he should be getting.

carp 11-13-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JDMtors (Post 702566)
The good thing though is that DD is now slowly getting more calls than the last couple of seasons where he drove. He's now doing it consistently and doesnt get every call he should be getting.

He's also not stomping around and whining anymore when he doesn't get a call, that's a lot tougher to curb than you might think once resentment has set in. I give him a lot of respect for maturing in that area. More calls should be coming his way if he keeps it up.

JDMtors 11-13-2012 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 702569)
He's also not stomping around and whining anymore when he doesn't get a call, that's a lot tougher to curb than you might think once resentment has set in. I give him a lot of respect for maturing in that area. More calls should be coming his way if he keeps it up.

Yes he used to whine all the time in his first few years and refs will not give you calls for that reason. He did cut that down this year but you can see his frustration this year when he's trying hard and the refs are giving him no respect at all. couple games back where he got tackled down and never got a call, smacked the bottom of the net in frustration and got a T for that. However Im sure if he keeps this up calls will eventually go his way.

Overall I must say that there has been some questionable calls this year for us. Good thing about JV is he doesnt lash out as much when he gets called for a foul

TORaptor4Ever 11-13-2012 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 702569)
He's also not stomping around and whining anymore when he doesn't get a call, that's a lot tougher to curb than you might think once resentment has set in. I give him a lot of respect for maturing in that area. More calls should be coming his way if he keeps it up.

I was really proud of him last night for that. That one play where he didn't get the call and then ran back on D and got a steal was awesome.

If the disrespect keeps up though Casey needs to get himself tossed from a game.

LX 11-13-2012 02:39 PM

Casey does need to manage the refs better.

And this team needs to stop giving up easy baskets. To me that's a bigger problem than the calls, and both taken together is just depressing, and it would seem to go hand in hand with the increased tempo. That has to be addressed before we're right back into Jay Triano territory. The fuck ya gonna do?

bjjs 11-13-2012 03:05 PM

The only game where I thought we got the short-end of the stick was against OKC.

Metallikid 11-13-2012 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bjjs (Post 702691)
The only game where I thought we got the short-end of the stick was against OKC.

Were you watching the home opener or the Nets game?

Atrocious.

moujik 11-13-2012 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bjjs (Post 702691)
The only game where I thought we got the short-end of the stick was against OKC.

Exactly that.
You wanna see disgusting refs, watch Miami!
Delfino got held by Bosh on the screen, for LeBron go ahead basket, and there's not a mention even from Houston commentators! It was so blatant! Bosh's body wasn't even in the way, it was just his arms. so clear to see.
But it's so common place, that no one raises an eyebrow anymore.
NBA will even include drives of Wade and LeBron, carrying the ball or taking extra steps in the highlights!
Eat up and shut up!

LKeet6 11-13-2012 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by moujik (Post 702713)
Exactly that.
You wanna see disgusting refs, watch Miami!
Delfino got held by Bosh on the screen, for LeBron go ahead basket, and there's not a mention even from Houston commentators! It was so blatant! Bosh's body wasn't even in the way, it was just his arms. so clear to see.
But it's so common place, that no one raises an eyebrow anymore.
NBA will even include drives of Wade and LeBron, carrying the ball or taking extra steps in the highlights!
Eat up and shut up!

what, so because the refs were REALLY bad in a miami game we shouldn't complain about consistently getting the marginal calls against us!? rubbish. It's been way more than just the OKC game!

i dunno how you judge fouling in this league but first i'm patient in the opening Q, try and guage what level of contact the refs seem to be accepting. Whilst keeping track (a rough track, not saying i count them and keep them in my head,) of how many fouls each team has committed, that weren't given.

then when it starts becomming obvious i might say "oh well, that was a marginal one, coulda gone either way i suppose." Then see if the other team are getting those sort of fouls called for them. "oh well, there was some contact, i can see how they gave that." By the 3rd, 4th Q when the opposition is 5, 6, 7 fouls given that we haven't been given it becomes blatant! you can accuse me of being biased if you want and all fouls aren't the same but to me it is bloody obvious that there are something like 10 teams in this league that do not get calls and probably 5-10 teams (and certain players,) that are given way too much respect in this league.

and then there's things like travels and push-offs.

bjjs 11-13-2012 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Metallikid (Post 702708)
Were you watching the home opener or the Nets game?

Atrocious.

I watched both. I didn't think the officiating was poor, it at least wasn't poor enough to make me notice.

bjjs 11-13-2012 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by moujik (Post 702713)
Exactly that.
You wanna see disgusting refs, watch Miami!
Delfino got held by Bosh on the screen, for LeBron go ahead basket, and there's not a mention even from Houston commentators! It was so blatant! Bosh's body wasn't even in the way, it was just his arms. so clear to see.
But it's so common place, that no one raises an eyebrow anymore.
NBA will even include drives of Wade and LeBron, carrying the ball or taking extra steps in the highlights!
Eat up and shut up!

It was a good basketball play - there is a reason nobody on Houston complained. If you're going to Iso Harden on Lebron with 5 seconds left you deserve to lose. Even Lin's devotion won't substantiate that prayer.

LX 11-13-2012 05:18 PM

I thought last night was problematic, just because it was pretty inconsistent as to what was called on either end. It still wasn't the primary reason for the loss.

Shadowfax 11-13-2012 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 702576)

If the disrespect keeps up though Casey needs to get himself tossed from a game.

This
In fact if i'm DC, i ask for a private meeting with BC and company...i tell them that i'm going to purposefully blow a gasket on the next really bad no-call...arrange for the organization to pay for any fine i receive when doing so

Then i go out and throw a few chairs :thumb:

Edit...and i do it at the ACC...so the fans can go crazy

jeffb 11-13-2012 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowfax (Post 702748)
This
In fact if i'm DC, i ask for a private meeting with BC and company...i tell them that i'm going to purposefully blow a gasket on the next really bad no-call...arrange for the organization to pay for any fine i receive when doing so

Then i go out and throw a few chairs :thumb:

Edit...and i do it at the ACC...so the fans can go crazy

i'd pay to see that


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