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Old 06-01-2011, 10:30 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Agree with you there.

I don't see much improvements from an effort/defence standpoint since his rookie year despite adding some weight.

New coach better light a fire on Bargnani's ass (if Bargnani is not traded).
Meh light a fire anywhere around him and all you'll get is some good ol Primo Pasta
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:31 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Well if you think about it, I think everyone liked/respected Jay because he was so chill with his team. Bargs was treated like royalty, Julian Wright disrespected Jay by not playing that one time.
The thing that struck out the most to me was when Ed Davis said playing in the NBA (raptors) is so slack compared to his college team (where it was more intense/strict).

only positive thing about being slack with a young team is you let them play through mistakes.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:58 PM   #85 (permalink)
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Well if you think about it, I think everyone liked/respected Jay because he was so chill with his team. Bargs was treated like royalty, Julian Wright disrespected Jay by not playing that one time.
The thing that struck out the most to me was when Ed Davis said playing in the NBA (raptors) is so slack compared to his college team (where it was more intense/strict).

only positive thing about being slack with a young team is you let them play through mistakes.
I have not heard this, and this may change my opinion. Do you possibly have the interview that Ed Davis said that? Or possibly a time-frame or any additional information?
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:07 PM   #86 (permalink)
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Well if you think about it, I think everyone liked/respected Jay because he was so chill with his team. Bargs was treated like royalty, Julian Wright disrespected Jay by not playing that one time.
The thing that struck out the most to me was when Ed Davis said playing in the NBA (raptors) is so slack compared to his college team (where it was more intense/strict).

only positive thing about being slack with a young team is you let them play through mistakes.
I don't think Andrea is treated like royalty (nor do I believe Andrea wants such treatment). Julian admitted he was in the wrong the very same night. Kudos on a young player for doing that.

IIRC Ed did say that. But this was tank nation. He went from learning the game from his tough as nails father Terry Davis, to competing for national titles w/UNC, to now a team that was clearly tanking w/us (losing games based on deliberately not giving effort, not being outplayed while playing to win). His honesty is refreshing; a stark contrast from all the platitudes, politicizing, and other untrustworthiness coming from Bryan.

Bryan doesn't deserve his job, and now bounces Coach Triano, who does deserve his job, but never had the opportunity to use the tools for his system, but rather had to fit square pegs into round holes like w/Hedo, or had to develop a plethora of young guys. And the team was clearly tanking this year, juss to add insult to injury.

Having gotten away w/collusion thus far, this is juss the type of unjust move I envision Bryan celebrating his birthday with. So when is Bryan's birthday? Oh wait what's this? Why, it's June 1st, the same day this garbage news is announced!
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IMO Bargnani had a very good Rookie season under Sam, rookie of the month twice and runner up for ROY. His second season was atrocious and i atribute most of that to him. He ended the 09-10 season extremely strong and yes looked impressive. But gotta say since then he's regressed in every aspect apart from his ppg which is the only thing he cares about clearly.
You attribute the myriad of injuries and breathing problems that resulted in offseason surgery to him?
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:29 PM   #88 (permalink)
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I'm extremely happy this happened, and so fuckin' suprised. My friend told me in my car and I thought it was pure bullshit. I thought it was almost a lock for his option to be picked up.


But Triano does deserve credit. You can tell he breathed and sleeped basketball and put a lot of effort into his work. He's just not head coach material plain and simple. Even with a good roster, I don't know if he could get the best out of his players. Glad he's still with the organization.


Congrats to him on being the first ever Canadian coach.
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:34 PM   #89 (permalink)
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You attribute the myriad of injuries and breathing problems that resulted in offseason surgery to him?
Myriad? He played more games in his second season (78GP) then in his rookie season and if his breathing problems was that big of an issue it would have been addressed during that season. I don't blame him shooting 38FG% and looking lost and overall brutal his second season to breathing issues.
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:36 PM   #90 (permalink)
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Not a huge fan of this move, its at least a year too early. This team shouldn't aim to be significantly better next year, we should add the high draft pick and let the team grow together. Add another high pick next year and then start adding pieces. You let Jay develop the young guys some more since every young player has become significantly better each year under him.

To me this seems as if Colangelo is starting to panic after getting such a short contract extension, he's trying to speed up the rebuild by at least a year so that he can keep his job. However in the long term this isn't good for the team, expect a veteran coach and some veteran free agents and a consistent 5-9th place team in the East.

Also, did anyone notice
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@ReggieEvans30 what type of coach do the raps need?

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@SQUEEZEMEEZ jay.

It's one thing for a rookie to say something like that, but when a veteran who doesn't even know if he's coming back to the team says something like that it speaks volumes about how the players feel about their coach.
ya that doesnt surprise me at all. i got the vibe he was a liked person and well respected man. problem was he was a bit too nice at times.

i mean the whole antoine wright saga last year where he kind of disrespected him in front of the media, and even the julian wright ordeal where he refused to play in a blowout. Jay not only denounced both issues, but even went along as to compliment both guys rather then simply refuse to comment.

it almost felt like he didnt have much authority over the players. young guys see a vulnerable confused looking coach. just didnt seem like a good combo. as a result, he was never able to get a consistent effort out of his team
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:50 PM   #91 (permalink)
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this is where Triano lost his job, well what I think

last year when we had the 5th best team in the east we finished 9th, meanwhile miami finished 5th with the 13 or 14th best roster

if your a good coach you should get that team in no matter what despite the turk and Bosh issues and injuries,

we all know Spoelstra would have got us in,

that just shows the difference and calibur of the coaches and spells out htat we needed to make a change at coaching, and its not like Spoelstra was this big time coach, he was a up and coming guy, video dude, its not like Riley hired Phil Jackson to coach the 14 th best roster, triano and Spoelstra were both up and comers in there organisations

the only thing i feel bad about this is that Jay was a great guy and good person





does anybody realize this is the first time Bryan Colangelo gets to hire a coach, he was forced to give Sam Mitchell a shot because Mitchell forced out Babcock and the organization was indebted to him, they also let triano be an assistant for a decade, he was eventually going to get his wish and he did,

so one of the biggest decisions of a general manager makes he never got to do, so we'll see what happens, Bryan finally gets to hire his coach, no more excuses Colangelo, even though I'm a pro BC guy i know now there is no more excuses to make,
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He blossomed under Triano? In the next breath you knock his lack of effort and he needs a wakeup call...

His FG% went down under Triano, his defense got worse, his rebounding numbers amazingly went down under Triano, his Blks per went down under Triano....how did he blossom again? And please don't point out his ppg, that would be sad.
Jeffb is totally correct. Bargs' most effective season was his rookie year. Why? Sam Mitchell in his face hard, Bargs played back-up to Bosh and had the defensive minded Rasho as his center. Since then, Bargs has bounced from SF to PF to C, where he's stayed. His stats have gone down as his efficiency. Triano came at the worst time in his development as IMO Bargs needed a bit of a hybrid of Mitchell and Triano. Bargs is the total package skill set wise, just wrong time with the wrong coaches with an attitude that has deflated. I liken his time to that of Milicic - wrong coaches and teams in Detroit and NY. Since then his game has slowly come back in Minny.

Anyways, I could see BC not giving up on Bargs yet especially with a new coach on the way in
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Myriad? He played more games in his second season (78GP) then in his rookie season and if his breathing problems was that big of an issue it would have been addressed during that season. I don't blame him shooting 38FG% and looking lost and overall brutal his second season to breathing issues.

He missed more games in his rookie season because he had his appendix out.

He was plagued by achilles and knee problems all season long and played through them. As a shooter yourself, I'm sure you know how difficult it is to get any lift on bad wheels. Add in the breathing problems and it's not too hard to see why he struggled. I suppose it was also his fault that all of a sudden he got inserted as the starting SF in the playoffs and got burned by Hedo and Lewis.
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Jeffb is totally correct. Bargs' most effective season was his rookie year. Why? Sam Mitchell in his face hard, Bargs played back-up to Bosh and had the defensive minded Rasho as his center. Since then, Bargs has bounced from SF to PF to C, where he's stayed. His stats have gone down as his efficiency. Triano came at the worst time in his development as IMO Bargs needed a bit of a hybrid of Mitchell and Triano. Bargs is the total package skill set wise, just wrong time with the wrong coaches with an attitude that has deflated. I liken his time to that of Milicic - wrong coaches and teams in Detroit and NY. Since then his game has slowly come back in Minny.

Anyways, I could see BC not giving up on Bargs yet especially with a new coach on the way in
First of all, Mitchell was forced to play him in his rookie season. And in his second season, he also wouldn't even acknowledge his exsistence and completely ignored him for three weeks. Great way to handle a young struggling player. Also, his stats didn't go down as he had his two best seasons under Triano.
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A couple of months ago I read that one way to measure if a young team is getting better is if the "margin of defeat" is getting smaller. So I roughed out the average "margin of defeat" for this year and it was pretty much the same for all months of the regular season. I think there was usually one 30 point loss game per month to drive the average MOD up to about 12.

In the conference call, and post season interview, BC was talking about "performance standards to measure progress". I assume he's talking about something like this.
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Old 06-02-2011, 12:45 AM   #96 (permalink)
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I'm actually alright with this. I like Triano, but I just think that after 2 years in a row or being the 30th rated defensive team in the league, that it's time for a change.

Also, BC's contract is only 2 years (with a 3rd as a option), so that gives him a quick window to turn things around.

I really hope this franchise goes with an experienced coach this time, or at least someone who's a "big name". You lpok at Thibodeau in Chicago, and he did amazing things in his first year. I just hope MLSE doesn't cheap out.

I expect there to be some big trades brewing too. I think this is the start to another wild off-season.

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Old 06-02-2011, 01:05 AM   #97 (permalink)
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Would you guys take Smitch back? I remember him saying he would like to come back and that he's learned a lot since he was away from coaching and all. I don't know about the rules about a fired coach, can he coach again?

Anyways I was surprised about the news but again at least he's with the organization still. He did a lot for the team and is indeed an asset on this team even if he isnt coaching. He has some NBA and international play experience which can come in handy. He seemed close with BC so it didn't surprise me he's now working with him now.

On the hunt for a new coach now! As BC said, its better if we get one before the draft
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:30 AM   #98 (permalink)
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hopefully the italian is next...
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not sure if this has been posted but legendary thread going on at RGM right now:

RealGM • View topic - Photoshop a Triano
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not sure if this has been posted but legendary thread going on at RGM right now:

RealGM • View topic - Photoshop a Triano
Awesome. I pissed myself laughing before finishing the first 5 pages. I better put on a diaper if I'm going to read through the whole thread.
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