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Old 03-07-2012, 06:39 PM   #1781 (permalink)
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Minny get crawford + ed davis
Toronto get Felton + batum
Portland get Calderon + Milicic + futur 1st Minny

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felton for LAL TPE + Morris + 1st LAL 2012



Bayless/morris/1st LAL 2012
DD/Barbosa/2nd rd tor 2012
Batum/JJ/LKZ
AB/AJ/1st Tor 2012
JV/AG/Magz

We will have money to grab some FA this summer, especially a young talented PG (brooks, Dragic).
Minny gets hosed.
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:45 PM   #1782 (permalink)
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Minny gets hosed.
in fact i tjink it's more fair than crawford + ed for pekovic + futur 1st pick.

pekovic is their starter at center now.
so give rid of milicic make more sense. and a futur pick or another they have this year maybe (they don't have their own, but maybe another one).but the links with the list of picks own by teams are down. so i can't see it true.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:38 PM   #1783 (permalink)
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why don't we trade our draft pick and ed davis for someone like paul george or derrick williams. or we could just trade our draft pick for someone like brandon jennings
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why don't we trade our draft pick and ed davis for someone like paul george or derrick williams. or we could just trade our draft pick for someone like brandon jennings
Why trade the team's first-round pick AND Ed Davis for George, Williams, or Jennings when the team's first-round pick could be as good if not better than these three guys?
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Why trade the team's first-round pick AND Ed Davis for George, Williams, or Jennings when the team's first-round pick could be as good if not better than these three guys?
Because the words "could be" pretty much explains it.
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Because the words "could be" pretty much explains it.
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:00 PM   #1787 (permalink)
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Why trade the team's first-round pick AND Ed Davis for George, Williams, or Jennings when the team's first-round pick could be as good if not better than these three guys?
because paul george and brandon jennings (derrick williams has shown flashes of brilliance) are proven and considering the run we are making, we will probably land from 5-10 we could add protection for the top 3. ed davis could be a sweetener if they add another piece say a lotto protected first rounder
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:45 PM   #1788 (permalink)
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because paul george and brandon jennings (derrick williams has shown flashes of brilliance) are proven and considering the run we are making, we will probably land from 5-10 we could add protection for the top 3. ed davis could be a sweetener if they add another piece say a lotto protected first rounder
Jennings isn't that good of a PG. He's a tweener in the Ben Gordon-mold. He's not an upgrade over Calderon and he won't make this team better.

I like George a lot, but he's more of a #3 option. Meanwhile, the Raptors could have a top-5 pick and be in a position to draft Harrison Barnes or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (if they come out), and IMO they have higher ceilings and the potential to be impact players.

I'm not sold on Williams at all. He'll be a good pro, but he's not a franchise player.

As such, it's not worth dealing a 21-year old PF and a potential top-5 pick for a player that will marginally make the team better. This team needs true impact players.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:40 PM   #1790 (permalink)
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Because the words "could be" pretty much explains it.
I'm sure he meant "likely be" given the three names discussed.
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Jennings isn't that good of a PG. He's a tweener in the Ben Gordon-mold. He's not an upgrade over Calderon and he won't make this team better.

I like George a lot, but he's more of a #3 option. Meanwhile, the Raptors could have a top-5 pick and be in a position to draft Harrison Barnes or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (if they come out), and IMO they have higher ceilings and the potential to be impact players.

I'm not sold on Williams at all. He'll be a good pro, but he's not a franchise player.

As such, it's not worth dealing a 21-year old PF and a potential top-5 pick for a player that will marginally make the team better. This team needs true impact players.
but we likely won't get a top five pick with Bargnani coming back and derozan hitting his stride. we can add top 5 protection to be safe. after anthony davis, its hit or miss so i would go for a safe pick like williams or george. williams likely won't be a franchise player but what he can be is a multiple all-star. in 30 minutes per game as a starter, he is averageing 12 points and 7.4 rebounds. if you were to adjust his stats to 36 minutes, they would be 15 points and 8.2 rebounds. thats pretty impressive for a rookie.
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I'm sure he meant "likely be" given the three names discussed.
but do you expect us to get a top three pick with andrea Bargnani coming back, derozan hitting his stride, and the club in 7th place without their best player. we will probably be in 10th when Bargnani comes back.
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but do you expect us to get a top three pick with andrea Bargnani coming back, derozan hitting his stride, and the club in 7th place without their best player. we will probably be in 10th when Bargnani comes back.
Maybe, but Ed Davis isn't some chump either.... and I haven't seen enough from Jennings, Williams and to a lesser extent Paul George to warrant giving up both the pick and ED. As far as the pick not being as good, nothing is guaranteed and injiuries can still happen as well as lottery odds too.

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I don't know if Indy would be willing to make that deal even if unprotected, they love George and are in contention for 3rd place in the East. Minny also want deal DWilliams as they'll most likely try to deal Beasley as he'll want to get paid in the summer. + Bayless is a much much much cheaper Jennings.
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Indy definitely wouldn't deal George. He's too important to their team, and his value is much higher to the Pacers than to other teams at the moment.

Indiana and Minnesota have no need for Ed Davis. Both teams already have All-Stars entrenched at the PF position, making Davis redundant. Even Milwaukee is overloaded with PF-types.

On Williams, if he was coming out this year, he would likely be a late-lottery selection. No way he would be a top-2 or even a top-5 pick in this year's draft. He's a 'tweener and I don't see him developing into a multiple All-Star. I could be wrong on this of course, but I just don't see him developing into an upper-echelon player.

While there's no guarantee that a high first-round pick will amount to anything, I would still take my chances with both a rookie taken in the lottery and Ed Davis than to deal both for George, Williams, or Jennings - it's not like they are available anyway.
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:26 PM   #1796 (permalink)
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Portland get Bargnani + Calderon + gray
Toronto get Camby + felton + Batum + 1st portland 2012.

Portland improve at pg and PF/C.
yes they lose 3 starters, but they improve with two excellent one and a cheaper center.

WE will have much more capspace this summer, and we still can resign batum (especillay match any offer).
And i'm sure camby will be fine with casey system. so maybe we can resign him too for 2 more years before he retire.




Felton/bayless
DD/Barbosa/2nd round tor 2012(jospeh)
Batum/JJ/Kleiza
Amir/ED/1st toronto 2012 (P.Jones)
JV//camby/Magz/1st portland (Leonard)


I really think felton can be godd in the casey system. casey can unleach him, and our offense will run.
also bayless as a backup can be good if cheap.
We will need to match an 10M offer for batum.
And barbosa will want at least 5-7M for three season.
+ gray 10M/3years
+ possible camby, but i don't think he will stay, maybe with a prespective of more money than a real contender.
+ 2 rookies contract at almost 4M each.
+ 1 rookie at 1.5M
and a last one at 800K

i don't think we will be under the cap anymore. but under the taxe next season. after that the extenstion contract of DD and JJ will put us over the taxe. if this happen it will be worthy the troubles...
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Portland get Bargnani + Calderon + gray
Toronto get Camby + felton + Batum + 1st portland 2012.

Portland improve at pg and PF/C.
yes they lose 3 starters, but they improve with two excellent one and a cheaper center.

WE will have much more capspace this summer, and we still can resign batum (especillay match any offer).
And i'm sure camby will be fine with casey system. so maybe we can resign him too for 2 more years before he retire.




Felton/bayless
DD/Barbosa/2nd round tor 2012(jospeh)
Batum/JJ/Kleiza
Amir/ED/1st toronto 2012 (P.Jones)
JV//camby/Magz/1st portland (Leonard)


I really think felton can be godd in the casey system. casey can unleach him, and our offense will run.
also bayless as a backup can be good if cheap.
We will need to match an 10M offer for batum.
And barbosa will want at least 5-7M for three season.
+ gray 10M/3years
+ possible camby, but i don't think he will stay, maybe with a prespective of more money than a real contender.
+ 2 rookies contract at almost 4M each.
+ 1 rookie at 1.5M
and a last one at 800K

i don't think we will be under the cap anymore. but under the taxe next season. after that the extenstion contract of DD and JJ will put us over the taxe. if this happen it will be worthy the troubles...
Yay, we trade guys that like being here for guys that won't so we can watch FA's sign elsewhere.

Not good. Cap space? We'd have to re-sign Camby and Felton,neither of whom will likely take a discount to play here. They leave and nobody comes in.

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all you guys would rather rubio at the point, hes got such a higher ceiling oh wait... whatss this ? Ricky Rubio | NBADraft.net
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all you guys would rather rubio at the point, hes got such a higher ceiling oh wait... whatss this ? Ricky Rubio | NBADraft.net
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they came to that conclusion because they are both Spaniards. And if you honestly think they are right and Jose and Ricky are a good comparison then you should go to work for them as well.
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I don't think you understand that the Calderon/Nash means that he will be a mixture of the two. Usually that means he will have both of their best qualities, and any mixture that involves Nash will probably be good, if not great.
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