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Old 12-04-2011, 08:38 PM   #1281 (permalink)
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1. LAL
calderon
for
artest (MWP) + 1st 2012

we get a solid defender SF and drop some money, and lakers gets a real QB pg to run the show.

2.MIL
bargs
for
jennings + 1st 2012

MIL will have a real pf to pair with bogut, and be get a nice pg, and a budy to derozan.

we get a nice center who show last year some great potential, a really hustle PF (ex'DD-teamate) and a hopefully a really high pick.


Jennings/JBay
DD/Bogans
MWP/JJ/kleiza
Gibson/amir
asik/alabi/"JV"

we need to resign reggie for one year.
we would have 4 picks in the next year and a very young team to go forward.
casey can really create a new culture with all the young he would have !!!
For some reason I really like these 2 trades, but I dont think it will ever happen

Lakers - Itll be awesome to get Artest and a late 1st rounder so we can also see how Colangelo would use this pick and see if we can pick up some fillers for the team. Or trade bait. 1 Artest is a really aggressive defender, and I think itll really benefit us in some ways and he wouldnt be afraid to pick on/bully Bargnani on how soft he is.

Mil - Ive always liked Jennings, but the problem here is we have too many chuckers and thus both of our PGs will be shoot first rather than the traditional pass first type, if we unload Calderon for Artest. The + side is their 1st looks to be a mid 1st rounder which is decency imo. After that we should trade Bayless and pick up Kabongo with this pick! But it will be chaos if we have Jennings shooting a ton, then bayless comes in and does the same thing alongside Barbosa

Brandon Jennings / Jerryd Bayless
Demar Derozan / Leandro Barbosa
Ron Artest / James Johnson
Ed Davis / Ahmir Johnson
Jonas Valanciunas / Andrea Bargnani

2012 Raptors - Harrison Barnes or Andre Drummond (considering our pick is 1-5 and he falls to us at 5th)
2012 Bucks - Myck Kabongo

2012 Lakers - 2012 + Bayless + Ahmir for xxx

Looks kinda unrealistic, but if all of that happen I would be happy Lol
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Old 12-04-2011, 08:40 PM   #1282 (permalink)
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Old 12-04-2011, 08:47 PM   #1283 (permalink)
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I hope DeRozan never leaves the Raptors. He is bound to be a growing star in the not so distant future.
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:49 PM   #1284 (permalink)
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This might sound like its going to the extreme but there are some excellent players currently in the NBL (australian league) the most dominant team of stars is the Gold Coast Blaze although they have a shocking coach and is not working with the players like he should be. most of the players on this team are in the top australian team.

If you are looking for a point/shooting look no further than this team with Deleon the best passer in the league also averaging 20 ppg. adam gibson highest assister in the nbl season also starter for the australian team aslo 20 ppg. if you are looking for a young prospect than chris goulding is there for you at 21. all three great inside players and all can hit a 3 every time.

looking for forwards than we have mark worthington captaion of australian team and an all round superstar. although big he plays like a guard when needed and destroys everyone in the post and can hit most threes. then petrie another huge player with an awesome post and outside capability.

If someone has any approach to management then mention this team and you wont be dissapointed.
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:36 AM   #1285 (permalink)
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1.
barbosa + bargs
for
smith + collins (S&T - 7M/3years)

ATL gets a crawford-cheap like player, and a good scorer big men.

We get a real SF defender, who will lead this team and a nice backup center to commit during the growth of our young core.


2.
calderon + davis + kleiza + 1st atlanta 2012 + 1st toronto 2013
for
parker


SAS lose some money forward and gets a nice PF to learn with duncan. davis+blair will be a nice frontcourt going forward.
they can trade Calderon at the end of season (expiring june2013) and kleiza as a backup for leonard would be nice.

we get a real PG, who can make some difference.


Parker/JB
DD/JB
Smith/JJ
Amir/reggie
Collins/Alabi/"JV"

we will have to get a vet FA sg defender to play backup DD. and we can go forward.
+ reggie + 2 or 3 young player (nbdl)
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:04 AM   #1286 (permalink)
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1.
barbosa + bargs
for
smith + collins (S&T - 7M/3years)

ATL gets a crawford-cheap like player, and a good scorer big men.

We get a real SF defender, who will lead this team and a nice backup center to commit during the growth of our young core.


2.
calderon + davis + kleiza + 1st atlanta 2012 + 1st toronto 2013
for
parker


SAS lose some money forward and gets a nice PF to learn with duncan. davis+blair will be a nice frontcourt going forward.
they can trade Calderon at the end of season (expiring june2013) and kleiza as a backup for leonard would be nice.

we get a real PG, who can make some difference.


Parker/JB
DD/JB
Smith/JJ
Amir/reggie
Collins/Alabi/"JV"

we will have to get a vet FA sg defender to play backup DD. and we can go forward.
+ reggie + 2 or 3 young player (nbdl)
give up davis AND 2 1st rounders for parker!!??
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Old 12-06-2011, 02:54 PM   #1287 (permalink)
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This might sound like its going to the extreme but there are some excellent players currently in the NBL (australian league) the most dominant team of stars is the Gold Coast Blaze although they have a shocking coach and is not working with the players like he should be. most of the players on this team are in the top australian team.

If you are looking for a point/shooting look no further than this team with Deleon the best passer in the league also averaging 20 ppg. adam gibson highest assister in the nbl season also starter for the australian team aslo 20 ppg. if you are looking for a young prospect than chris goulding is there for you at 21. all three great inside players and all can hit a 3 every time.

looking for forwards than we have mark worthington captaion of australian team and an all round superstar. although big he plays like a guard when needed and destroys everyone in the post and can hit most threes. then petrie another huge player with an awesome post and outside capability.

If someone has any approach to management then mention this team and you wont be dissapointed.

Interesting.

I lived on the coast for about 10 years and about 10 min drive from the convention center.
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Old 12-06-2011, 05:29 PM   #1288 (permalink)
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1.
barbosa + bargs
for
smith + collins (S&T - 7M/3years)

ATL gets a crawford-cheap like player, and a good scorer big men.

We get a real SF defender, who will lead this team and a nice backup center to commit during the growth of our young core.


2.
calderon + davis + kleiza + 1st atlanta 2012 + 1st toronto 2013
for
parker


SAS lose some money forward and gets a nice PF to learn with duncan. davis+blair will be a nice frontcourt going forward.
they can trade Calderon at the end of season (expiring june2013) and kleiza as a backup for leonard would be nice.

we get a real PG, who can make some difference.


Parker/JB
DD/JB
Smith/JJ
Amir/reggie
Collins/Alabi/"JV"

we will have to get a vet FA sg defender to play backup DD. and we can go forward.
+ reggie + 2 or 3 young player (nbdl)
I think that is ridiculous. Parker is getting older, despite how decent he is. And he'll kill us at the foul line during late games considering he'll be one of our go to guys. Great defender, scorer and floor general. But I think Davis + our 1st is a bit too much especially for someone getting older, where we can draft a much younger PG who could be even better. And our 2013 is also projected to be lotto too...

Unless its Davis + 2013 1st for Curry I might consider it
Or Davis for Jennings + 2013 1st
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:12 PM   #1289 (permalink)
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When was the last time that smith actually played at sf for more than a 5 minute stretch?

If team is gonna gamble try for Marvin, he's probably getting amnestied.

or thad young, not getting amnestied but at least make an offer.
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Old 12-07-2011, 01:00 AM   #1290 (permalink)
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Interesting.

I lived on the coast for about 10 years and about 10 min drive from the convention center.
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:16 AM   #1291 (permalink)
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1.
barbosa + bargs
for
charlotte 1st 2012 + chicago 1st 2012 + korver + gibson.

chicago gets a mobile sg and big men scorer.
thibedeau will bring barg to another level. especially if in training he is opposing to noah.

2.
calderon + davis + 2nd rd toronto 2012
for
williams + heinrich + collins (S&T 2M/years)

atlanta will have a suitabe pg for their system, who can run the show. and Davis as a backup pf or starter can bring something to them.
they also take off some money with williams.



Roster toronto :
Jbay/heinrich
DD/korver
Williams/JJ/Kleiza
Gibson/amir/kleiza
Collins/alabi /"JV"


+ 2 high pick in draft 2012 + 1 late.
we will have huge capspace even to go after a big center this season.
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Old 12-07-2011, 09:06 AM   #1292 (permalink)
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1.
barbosa + bargs
for
charlotte 1st 2012 + chicago 1st 2012 + korver + gibson.

chicago gets a mobile sg and big men scorer.
thibedeau will bring barg to another level. especially if in training he is opposing to noah.

2.
calderon + davis + 2nd rd toronto 2012
for
williams + heinrich + collins (S&T 2M/years)

atlanta will have a suitabe pg for their system, who can run the show. and Davis as a backup pf or starter can bring something to them.
they also take off some money with williams.



Roster toronto :
Jbay/heinrich
DD/korver
Williams/JJ/Kleiza
Gibson/amir/kleiza
Collins/alabi /"JV"


+ 2 high pick in draft 2012 + 1 late.
we will have huge capspace even to go after a big center this season.
Barbosa + Bargs = 16.85 M
Korver + Gibson = 6.20 M

Maximum salary Chicago can take back in a trade: 6.20*1.5 = 9.3 M. This trade doesn't even begin to work. Let alone the fact that there's no way the Bulls trade Gibson away.

Williams + Hinrich + Collins (2M) = 18.15 M
Calderon + Davis = 11.84 M

That trade works, barely, within the cap space the Raps have, but uses it all up. Easier to complete the trade without Collins after we do any free agent signings (perhaps including Collins) with our cap space, as that would fit into the 150%/5M allowable to go over the cap.
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Truth, right next to the titans arena. I live in surfers myself, I hope to one day live in Toronto.
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Old 12-08-2011, 09:27 AM   #1295 (permalink)
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1. If clippers resign D.jordan
bargnani + kleiza
for
kaman + 1st miny 2012

2.
barbosa
for
korver + 1st charlotte 2012

3.
caldy
for
M williams + 1st atlanta 2012

Jbay/???
DD/korver
Williams/JJ
Davis/amir
Kaman/magloire/alabi

+ 4 first round pick in 2012 !
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1. If clippers resign D.jordan
bargnani + kleiza
for
kaman + 1st miny 2012

2.
barbosa
for
korver + 1st charlotte 2012

3.
caldy
for
M williams + 1st atlanta 2012

Jbay/???
DD/korver
Williams/JJ
Davis/amir
Kaman/magloire/alabi

+ 4 first round pick in 2012 !
1. Doubt they take Kleiza. Works without him though.

2. Bulls trade baaaarely works with 150% + 100,000 limit. Bulls are currently under the tax, so it would work, but they would need to make this move before signing anybody. But do they do it? They might be able to address their SG needs in FA. I guess it depends on if they think Korver is in their future.

3. Hawks take on salary in that trade, and only cut a year off in terms of length. Is it worth it to them to send out a first rounder? Especially with Jeff Teague there.

Getting the Charlotte and Minny picks would be a windfall.
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The first trade doesn't make any sense whatsoever for the Clippers. If they re-sign Jordan, then their starting frontcourt would be Griffin at PF and Jordan at C. Bargnani would essentially be a backup, and I don't see the Clippers giving an unprotected first-round pick plus Kaman to land Bargnani (Kleiza has no value to LAC).

Barbosa to the Bulls definitely makes sense, but matching contracts could be a bit difficult. I highly, highly doubt that the Bulls would give up Charlotte's first-round pick, though. Barbosa isn't worth that much.

Atlanta doesn't need Calderon. In addition to Teague, the Hawks also have Kirk Hinrich.
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1.
i really think they need a SF/PF more out zone guy with the omnipresence of Grifin. kleiza was inured last year, but he has a big body, a long range shot and can rebound.
i think he will fit in a vinny system.

2.
barbosa is one of the best sg form the bench in the league with crawford and terry.
so that a fair deal, korver is not that good.
i wil even consider taking brexer instead of korver. if we get the charlotte first pick it doesn't matter.


3.
the trade works (Pick have value and count or not (depends on the goos will of each team - exemple: beastley for 2nd round picks + money).
so M Williams + a late pick for Calderon seems faire to me.
if they sign. Tmac, i think that will profite them about money and spot.

teague/caldy
Johnson/heinrich
this seems to me a solid bakcourt.


4. yeah this pick will be awesome
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i really think they need a SF/PF more out zone guy with the omnipresence of Grifin. kleiza was inured last year, but he has a big body, a long range shot and can rebound.
i think he will fit in a vinny system.

2.
barbosa is one of the best sg form the bench in the league with crawford and terry.
so that a fair deal, korver is not that good.
i wil even consider taking brexer instead of korver. if we get the charlotte first pick it doesn't matter.


3.
the trade works (Pick have value and count or not (depends on the goos will of each team - exemple: beastley for 2nd round picks + money).
so M Williams + a late pick for Calderon seems faire to me.
if they sign. Tmac, i think that will profite them about money and spot.

teague/caldy
Johnson/heinrich
this seems to me a solid bakcourt.


4. yeah this pick will be awesome
1. The Clippers could use a shooter to stretch defences, but Kleiza isn't the type of player they need. They could use Shane Battier, although he's going to sign with Miami. Caron Butler and Richard Jefferson would be better fits, and they could sign them outright since they are below the cap. As such, they can keep Minnesota's first-round pick.

Your trade offer basically boils down to two trades - Kaman for Bargnani and Kleiza for Minnesota's first-round pick. No way LAC makes that deal, especially when there are better options available in FA.

2. I agree that Barbosa is better than Korver, and Barbosa to Chicago makes a lot of sense. However, I don't think the Bulls would give up Charlotte's first round pick. Instead, they may give up their own first-round pick.

3. As I stated, the Hawks don't need Calderon. They already have Teague and Hinrich on the roster - both of them are PGs. Calderon isn't an upgrade over either one. What the Hawks need are size upfront, in particular a legitimate PF, and a slashing SF. They don't need another PG, as they are set at the position and Johnson also handles the ball a lot.
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can bc put his hand on the deal about chandler ?
and if we can still use the tpe :
because i would propose this :

TO gets Billups + beaubois
Dallas gets Calderon + thuriaf + tpe
NYK gets chandler (S&T) + barbosa


dallas give 12.5M + 1.2M = 13.7M
they get 9.8M + 4M + tpe = 13.8M

NYK give 14.2M + 4M = 18.2M
they get 12.5M + 7.6M = 20.1M


TO get 14.2M + 1.2M = 16.4M
we give 9.5M + 7.6M + tpe = 17.1M
i think billups would be happy to be waive and go to another team. (maybe not)

and 2:
bargnani
for
Dalembert (S&T - 3years 35M)

toronto :
"Billups"/JBay/beaubois
DD/Beaubois
JJ/Kleiza
Davis/Amir
Dalembert/Magloire/Alabi
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