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Old 06-15-2011, 04:59 PM   #1141 (permalink)
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Another idea would be to explore a three-team trade involving Chicago, OKC, and Toronto. The problem is making all the contracts work, in particular Boozer's mammoth contract.

The principles of a trade would be:

Chicago gets Bargnani (would be a great complement to Rose in pick-and-roll situations and great next to Noah).

OKC gets Boozer (a low-post threat to complement Durant's and Westbrook's perimeter game, and Boozer can also play in pick-and-roll situations)

Toronto gets Perkins (tough, defensive centre to play next to Ed Davis).

Again, the problem is making salaries work. Boozer will earn $13.5M next year and a total of $60.6M over the next four years. I'm not sure if OKC could afford to take on Boozer's big contract.
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It depends on the composition of a team. I think Bargnani starts on most teams because having a 7-footer that can score is still a very rare commodity in the NBA. On a team like OKC, who currently does not have a single big man that poses an offensive threat nor can be an option offensively on the pick-and-roll, I think Bargnani starts. His presence on the court would open create more options and open up more space on the court for Durant and Westbrook. Just my opinion.
differences of opinion. but from what i've seen in this years playoffs, ibaka has been knocking down the mid-range and in shots pretty consistently. AND its obvious he can finish around the rim. i'm sure he's putting up tons of shots during the offseason to improve that part of his game even further. so there's their pick and roll solution.
durant and westbrook are already two, offensive minded, shoot first players so i think adding Bargnani would destroy chemistry and Bargnani when not scoring is basically useless.
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differences of opinion. but from what i've seen in this years playoffs, ibaka has been knocking down the mid-range and in shots pretty consistently. AND its obvious he can finish around the rim. i'm sure he's putting up tons of shots during the offseason to improve that part of his game even further. so there's their pick and roll solution.
durant and westbrook are already two, offensive minded, shoot first players so i think adding Bargnani would destroy chemistry and Bargnani when not scoring is basically useless.
That's fair. Ibaka has talent, but he's still raw offensively. As I mentioned before, the Mavs series revealed OKC's major weakness - lack of an offensive option down low. Bargnani would be one option to address this issue, but there may be other options as well.

But you could be right about whether Bargnani would be the right fit; it's definitely a fair question to ask. To be honest, I actually think Bargnani would be a better fit in Chicago and just a better complement to Rose and Noah than Boozer is. But as I mentioned above, Boozer's terrible contract would hinder trade discussions.
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Northern Neighbour : right batlle for some explanation.

OKc will not do this because they need more playtime with perkins to go next year or the next one if there are no season 11-12.

so i think they will not make too much move or later in the season if they need something.


as for the trade proposal :

Dallas gets 2# + evans (S&T - 3M) + Tolliver + tpe (toronto - 4M)
TO gets 20# + Milicic + Mahimmi + 1st rd dallas 2012 + johnson
Minnesota gets buttler (S&T - 10M) + Bargs
+ brewer

dallas gets a young center with tolliver, a backup PF who will defend and rebound and a (maybe) young SF to go with barea + beaubois to prepare the after-dirk.
and they save some money for the new CBA.

kidd/barea/beaubois
stevenson/beaubois/kidd
marion/*williams*
dirk/evans
chandler/haywood/tolliver


Minesota gets a star SF + a scorer center to go with love and a good defender as buttler.
they can trade flynn to get a legit sg.

rubio/ridnour/flynn
brewer/?
buttler/beastley
love/randolph
bargs/pekovic


Toronto gets a solid prospect center in mahimmi as our backup, a solid starter center defnesive mondset and a solid young propsect SF and a late first pick
so we add some defense on frontcourt for giving evans and Bargs and our tpe.

bayless/jose/5#
DD/weems ?/20#
W.Johnson/JJ/Kleiza
davis/amir/dorsey
Milicic/mahimmi/alabi


this will change all the morphology of this team and make more sense to a good rebuild.
with jose out of the picture before the deadline (presumably) we can have a solid young core who can score (bayless,, dd, all the johnson, davis and kleiza and defend JJ, WJ, Batless, davis, amir, milicic.

this team will have more balance and the new coach could create any system he could want.
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Old 06-15-2011, 09:31 PM   #1145 (permalink)
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Northern Neighbour : right batlle for some explanation.

OKc will not do this because they need more playtime with perkins to go next year or the next one if there are no season 11-12.

so i think they will not make too much move or later in the season if they need something.


as for the trade proposal :

Dallas gets 2# + evans (S&T - 3M) + Tolliver + tpe (toronto - 4M)
TO gets 20# + Milicic + Mahimmi + 1st rd dallas 2012 + johnson
Minnesota gets buttler (S&T - 10M) + Bargs
+ brewer

dallas gets a young center with tolliver, a backup PF who will defend and rebound and a (maybe) young SF to go with barea + beaubois to prepare the after-dirk.
and they save some money for the new CBA.

kidd/barea/beaubois
stevenson/beaubois/kidd
marion/*williams*
dirk/evans
chandler/haywood/tolliver


Minesota gets a star SF + a scorer center to go with love and a good defender as buttler.
they can trade flynn to get a legit sg.

rubio/ridnour/flynn
brewer/?
buttler/beastley
love/randolph
bargs/pekovic


Toronto gets a solid prospect center in mahimmi as our backup, a solid starter center defnesive mondset and a solid young propsect SF and a late first pick
so we add some defense on frontcourt for giving evans and Bargs and our tpe.

bayless/jose/5#
DD/weems ?/20#
W.Johnson/JJ/Kleiza
davis/amir/dorsey
Milicic/mahimmi/alabi


this will change all the morphology of this team and make more sense to a good rebuild.
with jose out of the picture before the deadline (presumably) we can have a solid young core who can score (bayless,, dd, all the johnson, davis and kleiza and defend JJ, WJ, Batless, davis, amir, milicic.

this team will have more balance and the new coach could create any system he could want.
Yeah... minni is nuts to do this but then again look at their gm. Anyway why would they talk an old butler to start over beasley when they don't want to draft a sf to start over beasley. Besides why would they take someone who is just coming off a season ending injury and give up one of the their best young pieces in Johnson, makes no sense.
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Old 06-15-2011, 10:24 PM   #1146 (permalink)
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Northern Neighbour : right batlle for some explanation.

OKc will not do this because they need more playtime with perkins to go next year or the next one if there are no season 11-12.

so i think they will not make too much move or later in the season if they need something.


as for the trade proposal :

Dallas gets 2# + evans (S&T - 3M) + Tolliver + tpe (toronto - 4M)
TO gets 20# + Milicic + Mahimmi + 1st rd dallas 2012 + johnson
Minnesota gets buttler (S&T - 10M) + Bargs
+ brewer

dallas gets a young center with tolliver, a backup PF who will defend and rebound and a (maybe) young SF to go with barea + beaubois to prepare the after-dirk.
and they save some money for the new CBA.

kidd/barea/beaubois
stevenson/beaubois/kidd
marion/*williams*
dirk/evans
chandler/haywood/tolliver


Minesota gets a star SF + a scorer center to go with love and a good defender as buttler.
they can trade flynn to get a legit sg.

rubio/ridnour/flynn
brewer/?
buttler/beastley
love/randolph
bargs/pekovic


Toronto gets a solid prospect center in mahimmi as our backup, a solid starter center defnesive mondset and a solid young propsect SF and a late first pick
so we add some defense on frontcourt for giving evans and Bargs and our tpe.

bayless/jose/5#
DD/weems ?/20#
W.Johnson/JJ/Kleiza
davis/amir/dorsey
Milicic/mahimmi/alabi


this will change all the morphology of this team and make more sense to a good rebuild.
with jose out of the picture before the deadline (presumably) we can have a solid young core who can score (bayless,, dd, all the johnson, davis and kleiza and defend JJ, WJ, Batless, davis, amir, milicic.

this team will have more balance and the new coach could create any system he could want.
Evans is a free agent
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Old 06-16-2011, 07:51 AM   #1147 (permalink)
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thanks guys foir the explaination.
i miss the point that miny need a sg to complete their team and not a SF. my bad !

new trade :

TOR give Bargnani + 5# + tpe
PHILy give iguy + speights
minny give W.Johnson + milicic + 2#

Minny gets iguy + 5# + tpe
Phily gets W. johnson + Bargs + tpe
TOR gets Milicic + Speights + 2#



minny gets a great sg defender scorer, what they need and they down at draft to go after another young than a sf.

rubio/ridnour/flynn
iguy
beastley/webster
love/randolph
pekovic/tolliver


phily gets 1 big men, and a young sf + some money.
they will draft a pfto backup brand.
they add some scoring abilities and some size.

Holiday/williams
turner/meeks
WJ/young
brand/#16
bargs/hawes


Toronto gets 2 big men center + a high pick, exactly what we need prompto :


Trade 2 :

TOR give jose + 2# + alabi
Bobcats give #9 + 19# + livingston + caroll

bobcats can draft a legit sf, what they need, and gain a solid backup pg for augustin.

Toronto gets 2 picks + a solid pg and a backup sg.
draft tristan thompson at #9 and schumpert at #19.
resign at low ajinca and weems, and keep barbo :

bayless/livingston/"schumpert"
DD/caroll/barbo
JJ/kleiza/weems
davis/amir/"TT"
speights/milicic/ajinca

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minny gives:
Tolliver, Flynn, Johnson, #2

gets:
Iggy

Philly gives:
Iggy

gets:
Jose, #2, #5

Toronto gives:
Jose #5

gets:
Flynn, Tolliver, Johnson

Minny adds a very solid sg.

Philly adds a pass first pg to work pick and roll with Brand and adds 2 top ten picks.

Toronto adds a solid very young sf who more than likely is better and will continue to be better than anyone at 5, a young pg and a big body.

Bayless/Flynn
Demar/Barbosa
JJ/Wes
Davis/Amir
Bargs/Tolliver
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Old 06-17-2011, 01:35 PM   #1149 (permalink)
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trade for fun :

trade1:
toronto gets #20 + #41(lakers) + tolliver + blake
LAL gets Love + Jose + TPE (toronto - 4M) + 2#
Minny gets Gasol

LAl gets a young star PF, a high pick which will bring another young futur star (williams or irving) and a nice pg to feed the backcourt. and they save money.
wise for them to prepare the after-bryant.

Minny gets a really good PF, a star to lead this young team.

we gets a young center, and blake to replace jose as our backup pg.
we don't save money but at least we grab two young guys, and two picks.

bayless/blake
DD
JJ/ebanks/kleiza
davis/amir
Bargs/tolliver/alabi

+3 rookies.

trade 2 :

bucks gets Bargs + #41
toronto gets 10# + salmons

bucks gets ride of a desillusion, and grab a scoring pf to go with bogut.

we take another first pick and a backup sg.

trade 3 :
wash gets davis + tpe
Toronto gets booker + 6#

wash grab a young promise pf, defensive mind to go with mcgee on frontcourt.

we grab another high pick, and a nice center.


so we draft walker (5), leonard(6), TT(10) and vucevic(20)

bayless/blake/walker
DD/salmons
JJ/leonard/kleiza
amir/TT/vucevic
Booker/tolliver/alabi

LOL,
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BANKIZ seems like you spend a lot of time thinking up these trade proposals. do u ever send any of ur ideas to the Raptors front office?
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BANKIZ seems like you spend a lot of time thinking up these trade proposals. do u ever send any of ur ideas to the Raptors front office?
I'd love to see him send these to the other teams involved. Love to be a fly on one of those walls.
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BANKIZ seems like you spend a lot of time thinking up these trade proposals. do u ever send any of ur ideas to the Raptors front office?
i don't take trade talk seriously in fact, so it's more an occupation when i have nothing to to read when i come here to get some news about the raptors. (one or twice a day in fact).
but i learn things when people explain why some trades are so ridiculous, so it's not such a waste of time, when i learn something !
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Would Portland do it?

Nicholas Batum - 1.19 million
Marcus Camby - 11.75 million
Andre Miller - 7.27 million

for

Jose Calderon - 9 million
Linas Kleiza - 5 million
Amir Johnson - 5 million

Portland sheds Camby's contract and deals Miller who isn't the best fit in their offence. They get a PG more suited to their style of offence along with a moderately priced SF and a perfect bench player.

We get a gritty PG, an expensive C who can fill the void until we get something tangible and a future all-star in Batum who would make our starting 2-4 positions absolutely lethal.

Portland

Calderon - Mills
Matthews - Roy - Ferndandez
Wallace - Kleiza - Babbitt
Aldridge - Johnson
______ - Oden

Toronto

Miller - Bayless
Derozan - Barbosa
Batum - Johnson
Bargnani - Davis
Camby - _____

I know it's a stretch, but I know Portland is willing to trade all three of them. Miller's already on the block and Batum, although not long ago was one of the only untouchable players on their team, became tradable as soon as they fleeced the 'Cats for Wallace.

Some picks might have to be involved to make it happen.
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Would Portland do it? Not a chance. Camby is still a valuable player for them and dealing him would leave a huge hole at center since Oden won't be ready for a while and Johnson is undersized at the 5-spot.

Portland has been reluctant to deal Batum, including in a deal for Carmelo Anthony. So why would they include Batum in a package that consists primarily of role players?

Ask yourself, if you're Portland, would you make this trade? I sure as heck wouldn't. I might, though, ask about Calderon's availability and try to make a smaller trade for the Spanish PG.
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Would Portland do it?

Nicholas Batum - 1.19 million
Marcus Camby - 11.75 million
Andre Miller - 7.27 million

for

Jose Calderon - 9 million
Linas Kleiza - 5 million
Amir Johnson - 5 million

Portland sheds Camby's contract and deals Miller who isn't the best fit in their offence. They get a PG more suited to their style of offence along with a moderately priced SF and a perfect bench player.

We get a gritty PG, an expensive C who can fill the void until we get something tangible and a future all-star in Batum who would make our starting 2-4 positions absolutely lethal.

Portland

Calderon - Mills
Matthews - Roy - Ferndandez
Wallace - Kleiza - Babbitt
Aldridge - Johnson
______ - Oden

Toronto

Miller - Bayless
Derozan - Barbosa
Batum - Johnson
Bargnani - Davis
Camby - _____

I know it's a stretch, but I know Portland is willing to trade all three of them. Miller's already on the block and Batum, although not long ago was one of the only untouchable players on their team, became tradable as soon as they fleeced the 'Cats for Wallace.

Some picks might have to be involved to make it happen.


No they wouldn't. Jose sucks, Kleiza is hurt and most in the NBA still think Amir is overpayed.
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I think a lot of coaches and GM's would love to have Amir.

Strong work ethic does not go unnoticed, regardless of what the internet community believes.

That being said it's obviously not a great trade, just something I played around with in the trade checker.

Regarding Batum's availability, that was their MO before they had acquired Wallace for Pryzbilla and the 21st overall.

I'm just a massive Batum fan and it's a waste to see him on the bench.

Guy would be the perfect 3 of the future for us (and most teams in the league).
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Would Portland do it?

Nicholas Batum - 1.19 million
Marcus Camby - 11.75 million
Andre Miller - 7.27 million

for

Jose Calderon - 9 million
Linas Kleiza - 5 million
Amir Johnson - 5 million

maybe with this ?

batum + oden (S&T - 9M) + Miller + 21#
for
5# + tpe + jose + davis + money

that put :
jose for miller
davis for batum
5# + tpe for oden
money for 21#

jose for miller seems to me, with the defense portland had, they will covert jose liabilities, if he has some in a good system.
and he can become what they miss as a pleymaker QB.

They need some big men, and davis is cheap and a solid prospect, trade for batum seems fair, because wallace - mathews - roy - fernandez are some solid wings.

they take like the same risk as keeping oden as betting on a high pick this year., and saving money, with the tpe it can put the triger (3M).
and developping young : 5# + davis + matthews


Jose/mills
mathews/roy
wallace/fernandez
aldridge/davis
camby/? #5




trade 2 to complete :

bargs + tpe (6M) + 21#
for
8# + rip

detroit gets a big men scoer, what will be good beside monroe for the future. not big defender, but he will bring something different, and he is not a trouble maker. and they save some money.


we get a solid backup sg and nice pick.
if we can get another big wth the 8# pick (like TT or morris)
resign evans and dorsey

bayless/miller
DD/rip
Batum/JJ/kleiza
amir/TT/evans
oden/dorsey/alabi


and bring a nice real backup centre, even a vet who will be hapy to find a nice team to show he still can do.

it is not the youngest team, but some experience and inexperience, that can facilitate the work of the new head coach.

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Davis, #5, Kleiza

]for

Bogut, Delfino


Bucks shed salary, adds youth in Davis the 5 and the 10.

Raps add a legit center and a backup sg/sf.
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I dont think now is the right time to trade for Bogut to be honest. We need to keep trying to stockpile younger pieces and try and somehow get rid of our bad contracts before jumping in. I wouldnt be against it obviously since Im a fan of Bogut but I dont know if this is the year or time to do it.
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I dont think now is the right time to trade for Bogut to be honest. We need to keep trying to stockpile younger pieces and try and somehow get rid of our bad contracts before jumping in. I wouldnt be against it obviously since Im a fan of Bogut but I dont know if this is the year or time to do it.
See that thinking makes no sense to me. If an oportunity arises to get a reb ounding/shot blocking Center you do it. It's not like those chances come along often especially around here. Besides we won't be lookingh to get any younger beyond this draft imo, at some point (likely this summer) you have to add some experience. And the first place you need experience is the Center position.
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