The Official RF Trade Proposal Thread - Page 57
Old 06-15-2011, 01:56 PM   #1121 (permalink)
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I have an OKC-TOR proposal.

Toronto trades Andrea Bargnani.
OKC trades Kendrick Perkins, Royal Ivey, and a 2012 first-round pick.

Rationale for Toronto:
The Raptors strengthen their frontcourt defence and rebounding with the tough, physical Kendrick Perkins. The trade also opens up a permanent spot in the starting lineup for Ed Davis. In addition, the Raptors get a first-round pick in the very deep 2012 Draft. Ivey is included as a filler.

Rationale for OKC:
The Thunder need another scoring option, and Bargnani would be a very good complement to Durant and Westbrook. Bargnani's ability to play the pick-and-roll on offence would give the Thunder a new dimension on offence.
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:01 PM   #1122 (permalink)
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Seriously dude, cut down on the weed.
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:24 PM   #1123 (permalink)
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Seriously dude, cut down on the weed.
Don't hate cause you didn't notice Collison playing so much in the 4th Q for OKC..... Perkins is overrated but he'd fit well here.
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Don't hate cause you didn't notice Collison playing so much in the 4th Q for OKC..... Perkins is overrated but he'd fit well here.
Oh, now he's overrated? And we could get all that for Bargnani too? I think this place is going looney!
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they got Perkins to get tougher inside and they went further into the playoffs. why would they want to go back to being soft again? they have enough offense
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:47 PM   #1126 (permalink)
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Seriously dude, cut down on the weed.
Maybe you could actually try posting some constructive criticism.

I forgot to add the following to the OKC rationale: With the emergence of Serge Ibaka, Nick Collison on the bench, and youngster B.J. Mullens, the Thunder could afford to deal Perkins. Ibaka's and Collison's games and defensive prowess would complement Bargnani's offensive game.
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:51 PM   #1127 (permalink)
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they got Perkins to get tougher inside and they went further into the playoffs. why would they want to go back to being soft again? they have enough offense
They wouldn't be soft, as they already have Ibaka and Collison plus Mullens and Aldrich to provide depth. OKC needs a third option on offence, preferrably a big man who can score.

A starting lineup of Westbrook, Sefolosha, Durant, Bargnani, and Ibaka would be very, very good. Harden, Collison, Maynor, Cook, Mullens, and Aldrich provide good depth.
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Maybe you could actually try posting some constructive criticism.

I forgot to add the following to the OKC rationale: With the emergence of Serge Ibaka, Nick Collison on the bench, and youngster B.J. Mullens, the Thunder could afford to deal Perkins. Ibaka's and Collison's games and defensive prowess would complement Bargnani's offensive game.
Dude, no way in hell that would ever happen.
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Old 06-15-2011, 03:03 PM   #1129 (permalink)
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Dude, no way in hell that would ever happen.
Explain why it wouldn't happen. I'm not saying that it would, but it's an idea that could help both teams. So why is this trade not realistic?
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Explain why it wouldn't happen. I'm not saying that it would, but it's an idea that could help both teams. So why is this trade not realistic?
First off they really like Perkins and signed him long term. Not gonna trade him anytime soon. Second, they certainly wouldn't deal him for a soft big for a 3rd option that's owed 40MIL. Third no way in hell could we ever get that for Bargnani.
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Old 06-15-2011, 03:14 PM   #1131 (permalink)
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They wouldn't be soft, as they already have Ibaka and Collison plus Mullens and Aldrich to provide depth. OKC needs a third option on offence, preferrably a big man who can score.

A starting lineup of Westbrook, Sefolosha, Durant, Bargnani, and Ibaka would be very, very good. Harden, Collison, Maynor, Cook, Mullens, and Aldrich provide good depth.
not enuff shots to share between westbrook, durant and bargnani.....
and with harden emerging as a LEGIT 3rd option, Bargs as the 4th option??
forget about it!
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First off they really like Perkins and signed him long term. Not gonna trade him anytime soon. Second, they certainly wouldn't deal him for a soft big for a 3rd option that's owed 40MIL. Third no way in hell could we ever get that for Bargnani.
They did re-sign Perkins to a long-term deal, but Perkins' deal has the same number of years remaining as Bargnani's (4 years). Bargnani's deal is about $1.5M to $2M more per year, which is reasonable given Bargnani's skill set.

What the playoff series against the Mavericks showed was that OKC really needs another scoring option on the floor. The Mavs were able to slow Durant down while Westbrook had good and bad moments. Without a third option, the Mavs were able to contain OKC's two stars. In getting Bargnani, they get a big man who can stretch the floor and a big man who can play the pick-and-roll. Right now, they don't have anybody on the roster that can play pick-and-roll, which is a staple of practically every NBA team.

Finally, Perkins plus a 2012 1st-round pick (which likely would be late in the Draft) is fair value for Bargnani IMO. I think you're severely overrating Perkins (5.1 ppg, 7.9 rbg in 25 minutes) while underrating Bargnani. I don't think Bargnani is an elite talent (he does have great skills but not the highest basketball IQ), but he's definitely worth a centre whose value is limited to the defensive end and a late first-round pick. Ivey is only included for cap purposes; he has no value whatsoever.
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not enuff shots to share between westbrook, durant and bargnani.....
and with harden emerging as a LEGIT 3rd option, Bargs as the 4th option??
forget about it!
How about we get Harden instead then? Lol
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Old 06-15-2011, 03:20 PM   #1134 (permalink)
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not enuff shots to share between westbrook, durant and bargnani.....
and with harden emerging as a LEGIT 3rd option, Bargs as the 4th option??
forget about it!
Harden is coming off the bench, and he'll get his shots on the 2nd unit. Harden also doesn't need to shoot the ball to be a factor on the offensive end. Finally, the Thunder need a big man that can score in order to stretch defences. Whether it's Bargnani or someone else, they really need a big man that is a factor in the offensive game. They have enough defensive-minded bigs on the roster.
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How about we get Harden instead then? Lol
defenitely wouldn't be opposed to that. but OKC ain't gonna do that
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Harden is coming off the bench, and he'll get his shots on the 2nd unit. Harden also doesn't need to shoot the ball to be a factor on the offensive end. Finally, the Thunder need a big man that can score in order to stretch defences. Whether it's Bargnani or someone else, they really need a big man that is a factor in the offensive game. They have enough defensive-minded bigs on the roster.
if anything it should be Bargnani that comes off the bench.
only reason he starts here is cuz we suck. on a good team that kinda shit would fly there
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I knew people disliked Bargnani, but I didn't think it was this bad. It's ridiculous to say that he wouldn't start on the majority of NBA teams. He's a highly skilled big man, and he would start on pretty much every NBA team. However, he wouldn't be the main option as he is in Toronto.
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I knew people disliked Bargnani, but I didn't think it was this bad. It's ridiculous to say that he wouldn't start on the majority of NBA teams. He's a highly skilled big man, and he would start on pretty much every NBA team. However, he wouldn't be the main option as he is in Toronto.
not starting does not equate to he sucks you know that right? its been established that Bargnani is nothing but a role player. his role? instant offense 6th man type. aka a 7 foot jamal crawford.
is that to say jamal sucks? no, of course not. would he be a starter on most teams? hard to say, i'd say he'd be a 6th man on most teams
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They did re-sign Perkins to a long-term deal, but Perkins' deal has the same number of years remaining as Bargnani's (4 years). Bargnani's deal is about $1.5M to $2M more per year, which is reasonable given Bargnani's skill set.

What the playoff series against the Mavericks showed was that OKC really needs another scoring option on the floor. The Mavs were able to slow Durant down while Westbrook had good and bad moments. Without a third option, the Mavs were able to contain OKC's two stars. In getting Bargnani, they get a big man who can stretch the floor and a big man who can play the pick-and-roll. Right now, they don't have anybody on the roster that can play pick-and-roll, which is a staple of practically every NBA team.

Finally, Perkins plus a 2012 1st-round pick (which likely would be late in the Draft) is fair value for Bargnani IMO. I think you're severely overrating Perkins (5.1 ppg, 7.9 rbg in 25 minutes) while underrating Bargnani. I don't think Bargnani is an elite talent (he does have great skills but not the highest basketball IQ), but he's definitely worth a centre whose value is limited to the defensive end and a late first-round pick. Ivey is only included for cap purposes; he has no value whatsoever.

If you're basing any opinion of Perkins on stats you're completely missing the boat. Thus rendering this conversation pointless.
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not starting does not equate to he sucks you know that right? its been established that Bargnani is nothing but a role player. his role? instant offense 6th man type. aka a 7 foot jamal crawford.
is that to say jamal sucks? no, of course not. would he be a starter on most teams? hard to say, i'd say he'd be a 6th man on most teams
It depends on the composition of a team. I think Bargnani starts on most teams because having a 7-footer that can score is still a very rare commodity in the NBA. On a team like OKC, who currently does not have a single big man that poses an offensive threat nor can be an option offensively on the pick-and-roll, I think Bargnani starts. His presence on the court would open create more options and open up more space on the court for Durant and Westbrook. Just my opinion.


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If you're basing any opinion of Perkins on stats you're completely missing the boat. Thus rendering this conversation pointless.
Perkins is a very good defensive player. He's physical, he's tough, and he's a leader. However, he's extremely limited offensively, he's an average rebounder, and he's an average shotblocker.

I like Perkins, but he's not a great player. He's a good role player, but he's the type of player the Raptors could use just like Bargnani is the type of player OKC could use IMO.
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