The Official RF Trade Proposal Thread

[DocHoliday99]

Don't think Davis is going anywhere and Parker is a FA - if SA wants a change they can do it without a trade.

[Northern Neighbour]

Originally Posted by DocHoliday99

Don't think Davis is going anywhere and Parker is a FA - if SA wants a change they can do it without a trade.

Parker signed a contract extension in the fall. Anyway, he won't be going anywhere because of BYC reasons.

Regarding Calderon to LAL, I also think Calderon would be a very good fit with the Lakers. His ability to shoot from outside and distribute would be ideal in the Lakers' triangle offense. In addition, the Lakers could use a PG that can create a little bit in order to reduce on Bryant in the backcourt.

[DocHoliday99]

I've heard this JC to LAL for a the last couple years. Doubt it would happen

[DocHoliday99]

And your right, he signed an extension last Oct...my bad. Guess that tells you they want him

[Don Vito]

Anyone else think Monta Ellis can run the point? With the influx in combo guards running the point I think he'd be great at it. Rose, Evans, Westbrook, Wall, etc.. the game is dominated by combo guards now, we don't need a Steve Nash type player. Its clear golden state will either keep Curry or Ellis but not both, I think we should make a run at Ellis. Not sure who we would trade for him.. but I'd trade pretty much anyone for him except DeRozan/Davis.

[10DeRozan10]

Originally Posted by Don Vito

Anyone else think Monta Ellis can run the point? With the influx in combo guards running the point I think he'd be great at it. Rose, Evans, Westbrook, Wall, etc.. the game is dominated by combo guards now, we don't need a Steve Nash type player. Its clear golden state will either keep Curry or Ellis but not both, I think we should make a run at Ellis. Not sure who we would trade for him.. but I'd trade pretty much anyone for him except DeRozan/Davis.

I'm not positive, but I think that Golden State already tested him at the point and it didn't work at all. Like I said though, I'm not positive that this happened.

[Don Vito]

Originally Posted by 10DeRozan10

I'm not positive, but I think that Golden State already tested him at the point and it didn't work at all. Like I said though, I'm not positive that this happened.

Averaging 5.6 assists as a SG is more than respectable, and would only go up as a PG in my opinion. The bottom line is this team needs a combo guard at the point, a distributor like Nash and Jose wouldn't cut it.

[10DeRozan10]

Originally Posted by Don Vito

Averaging 5.6 assists as a SG is more than respectable, and would only go up as a PG in my opinion. The bottom line is this team needs a combo guard at the point, a distributor like Nash and Jose wouldn't cut it.

He's a very ball dominant guard, so I don't think the assists would go up all that much to be honest.

He's also quite turnover prone. 3.2 turnovers this year, averaging only 5.6 assists.

I don't think he'd be worth the price it would take to get him, especially if the idea is to play him at the point.

[Don Vito]

Originally Posted by 10DeRozan10

He's a very ball dominant guard, so I don't think the assists would go up all that much to be honest.

He's also quite turnover prone. 3.2 turnovers this year, averaging only 5.6 assists.

I don't think he'd be worth the price it would take to get him, especially if the idea is to play him at the point.

Quite turnover prone? You know who else gets 3 turnovers per game? Tyreke Evans, Derrick Rose, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash etc etc the list goes on. 3 turnovers is normal, anything less is someone who takes no risks and always gets criticized for it... like Calderon. I would trade anyone except DeRozan/Davis to get him.

[10DeRozan10]

Originally Posted by Don Vito

Quite turnover prone? You know who else gets 3 turnovers per game? Tyreke Evans, Derrick Rose, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash etc etc the list goes on. 3 turnovers is normal, anything less is someone who takes no risks and always gets criticized for it... like Calderon. I would trade anyone except DeRozan/Davis to get him.

Yeah, he also averaged 3.8 a year ago.

If we wanted Monta we'd have to give up DeRozan and/or Ed.

The reason I hardly ever check this site, is because it's full of unrealistic options, and the analysis is terrible by some of the posters.

To say that he's not turnover prone is completely ignorant. I don't know why I'm arguing with you, it's pointless. You always get so offended when someone disagree's with you. You should be used to it, some of your analysis is ludicrous, and it still baffles me that you constantly think your right with all the stupid arguments you've presented in the past.

Just because I don't think Ellis would be a great point guard, doesn't mean he wouldn't be, it's just my opinion. Calm down.

[carp]

Originally Posted by Don Vito

Quite turnover prone? You know who else gets 3 turnovers per game? Tyreke Evans, Derrick Rose, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash etc etc the list goes on. 3 turnovers is normal, anything less is someone who takes no risks and always gets criticized for it... like Calderon. I would trade anyone except DeRozan/Davis to get him.

actually, using Calderon in that example just shows a lack of judgment. Dude has been among the leaders the last few years in assist:turnover and runs an offence quite well. Regardless of taking chances or not, he's proof that you don't need to take chances.

[jeffb]

Originally Posted by 10DeRozan10

Yeah, he also averaged 3.8 a year ago.

If we wanted Monta we'd have to give up DeRozan and/or Ed.

The reason I hardly ever check this site, is because it's full of unrealistic options, and the analysis is terrible by some of the posters.

To say that he's not turnover prone is completely ignorant. I don't know why I'm arguing with you, it's pointless. You always get so offended when someone disagree's with you. You should be used to it, some of your analysis is ludicrous, and it still baffles me that you constantly think your right with all the stupid arguments you've presented in the past.

Just because I don't think Ellis would be a great point guard, doesn't mean he wouldn't be, it's just my opinion. Calm down.

He is a little turnover prone. But not really more then most considering he's averaged 41mpg his last two seasons, which has to be taken into any arugment for or against him. Last season he averaged ONE turnover more then Calderon, but played 10 more mpg.

[Don Vito]

Originally Posted by 10DeRozan10

Yeah, he also averaged 3.8 a year ago.

If we wanted Monta we'd have to give up DeRozan and/or Ed.

The reason I hardly ever check this site, is because it's full of unrealistic options, and the analysis is terrible by some of the posters.

To say that he's not turnover prone is completely ignorant. I don't know why I'm arguing with you, it's pointless. You always get so offended when someone disagree's with you. You should be used to it, some of your analysis is ludicrous, and it still baffles me that you constantly think your right with all the stupid arguments you've presented in the past.

Just because I don't think Ellis would be a great point guard, doesn't mean he wouldn't be, it's just my opinion. Calm down.

You know who averaged 3.8 this season? Russell Westbrook, and it doesn't change the fact he is one of the best guards in the NBA. Lebron averaged 3.6 this season, and it doesn't change the fact that he is undoubtedly one of the best players in the world right now. Your turnover argument is the worst argument I have ever seen in my life, stop talking before you make a fool of yourself.. oh wait you already did.

[10DeRozan10]

Originally Posted by jeffb

He is a little turnover prone. But not really more then most considering he's averaged 41mpg his last two seasons, which has to be taken into any arugment for or against him.

I agree, but it's his assists to turnover ratio that makes me think he would be a poor point guard.

I mean, the guy is already handling the ball a lot, and his assist numbers defenitely aren't something to write home about.

I just don't think he would be much of a point guard, that's all I'm saying.

I look at someone like Tyreke Evans, and I see him not working out a the point position at all, and it makes me think that Ellis would be similar to that.

[DocHoliday99]

Originally Posted by carp

actually, using Calderon in that example just shows a lack of judgment. Dude has been among the leaders the last few years in assist:turnover and runs an offence quite well. Regardless of taking chances or not, he's proof that you don't need to take chances.

JC was a poor throw in but I get what you mean. JC doesn't do 'chances' well. Not his game.

Ellis, last time I brought him up I got roasted lol. Ellis does best when he's the SG. I thought he played the best when he played with Baron.

I still think JC, Ellis, DD, Davis, Defensive C would be a great lineup. Someone like Jonas or Bismack for the defensive C.

With West 'consulting' and being part owner of GS, along with a new coach, is going to be very interesting. I think there will be big changes there.

[10DeRozan10]

Originally Posted by Don Vito

You know who averaged 3.8 this season? Russell Westbrook, and it doesn't change the fact he is one of the best guards in the NBA. Lebron averaged 3.6 this season, and it doesn't change the fact that he is undoubtedly one of the best players in the world right now. Your turnover argument is the worst argument I have ever seen in my life, stop talking before you make a fool of yourself.. oh wait you already did.

Look at the assist numbers for Westbrook and LeBron you clever guy. Both are are heck of a lot higher than Mr. Ellis'.

If that's the worst argument you've ever seen in your life, then you must not proof read your posts.

[10DeRozan10]

Originally Posted by jeffb

He is a little turnover prone. But not really more then most considering he's averaged 41mpg his last two seasons, which has to be taken into any arugment for or against him. Last season he averaged ONE turnover more then Calderon, but played 10 more mpg.

How many assists did he average? 5.6. That's 3.3 less than Calderon in 10 more mpg.

[jeffb]

Originally Posted by 10DeRozan10

I agree, but it's his assists to turnover ratio that makes me think he would be a poor point guard.

I mean, the guy is already handling the ball a lot, and his assist numbers defenitely aren't something to write home about.

I just don't think he would be much of a point guard, that's all I'm saying.

Fair enough, but he's being asked to be a shooter playing alongside Curry who averages 6apg. To say that you're two main ball handlers who score an average of 41ppg get 11apg is not bad. BTW, Curry who everyone raves about averaged 3.1 turnovers after averaging 3 in his first season.

[Don Vito]

Originally Posted by 10DeRozan10

Look at the assist numbers that clever guy. Both are are heck of a lot higher than Mr. Ellis'.

If that's the worst argument you've ever seen in your life, then you must not proof read your posts.

Ellis has no supporting cast to dish out assists to. Who is he going to give the ball to, Dorell Wright? David Lee? Also Curry has been handling the ball alot making Ellis less ball-dominant than you think. Ellis doesn't have Durant, Wade, Bosh or anyone worth a dam besides Curry who is playing the point. Maybe Steve Nash can get a couple more assists on this team but they would be equally as bad.

[jeffb]

Originally Posted by 10DeRozan10

How many assists did he average? 5.6. That's 3.3 less than Calderon in 10 more mpg.

He's a lot more of a scorer. He averaged 24ppg to Jose's 10ppg, the fact that he averaged nearly 6apg while scoring at that clip is damn impressive as their secondary distributor.