The Official RF Trade Proposal Thread - Page 47
Old 05-07-2011, 12:09 PM   #921 (permalink)
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As for Irving the consensus is scouts 'hope' he'll return to the form he showed before his injury, which he has not yet and thats very apparent watching him play.
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Old 05-07-2011, 04:38 PM   #922 (permalink)
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Apparently it is a struggle for you so I'll slow it down. A trade has to work on both sides and this doesn't for GS. I did say let's just trade Irving. I started the whole sentence with a nice word called 'if' based on a team that with your thinking should decide on a lopsided trade regarding Curry being sent to the Raps. Derozan is far from better than Ellis and Ellis and Curry are not 'almost similar players' as you've proposed. why do some get caught up in reading profiles then suggesting lopsided trades and then stand back all proud of themselves. At some point one would think common sense would kick in.

As for your post and trying to dissect it - I did, it lead to a Dr Seuss book - about the same nonsense
Yikes.

You're really, really not getting it. There's simply no other way to describe it. You simply are unable to comprehend what I'm clearly portraying.

"Your thinking should decide on a lopsided trade regarding Curry being sent to the Raps." I said, clearly, that it was very unlikely that we could get Curry. I said, nearly, those exact words. I never proposed anything, I don't understand how you can't understand that?

"DeRozan is far from being better than Ellis," I'm sorry, where did I say that DeRozan was better? Oh, that's right, I didn't.

"Ellis and Curry are not 'almost similar players' as you've proposed." Can you please show me where I proposed this? I simply don't understand how you can claim this, when I haven't said anything of the sort.

"I did say let's just trade Irving." Well at least we can agree on something.

You have absolutely no proof of me saying any of these things that you claim I've stated. Why? Because I haven't. Simple as that. I've provided quotes of you claiming I've said these things, yet you show no proof that I actually have.

You clearly didn't dissect it, as shown in your post. You are simply unable to understand what I'm posting which, may I add, should be very easy to comprehend. Were not talking about string theory here.

When you're able to give proof, while having a valid argument, come back and we can argue about Ellis or Curry or just the Raptors in general. Until then, I ask that you use your time to work on your comprehension skills.
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Old 05-07-2011, 04:42 PM   #923 (permalink)
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As for Irving the consensus is scouts 'hope' he'll return to the form he showed before his injury, which he has not yet and thats very apparent watching him play.
Is that so.

Is 28 point on 9-15 shooting, including 2-4 from three and 8-9 from the free throw stripe not good enough for you, or these supposed scouts that don't seem to exist considering his current draft stock?
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Yikes.

You're really, really not getting it. There's simply no other way to describe it. You simply are unable to comprehend what I'm clearly portraying.

"Your thinking should decide on a lopsided trade regarding Curry being sent to the Raps." I said, clearly, that it was very unlikely that we could get Curry. I said, nearly, those exact words. I never proposed anything, I don't understand how you can't understand that?

"DeRozan is far from being better than Ellis," I'm sorry, where did I say that DeRozan was better? Oh, that's right, I didn't.

"Ellis and Curry are not 'almost similar players' as you've proposed." Can you please show me where I proposed this? I simply don't understand how you can claim this, when I haven't said anything of the sort.

"I did say let's just trade Irving." Well at least we can agree on something.

You have absolutely no proof of me saying any of these things that you claim I've stated. Why? Because I haven't. Simple as that. I've provided quotes of you claiming I've said these things, yet you show no proof that I actually have.

You clearly didn't dissect it, as shown in your post. You are simply unable to understand what I'm posting which, may I add, should be very easy to comprehend. Were not talking about string theory here.

When you're able to give proof, while having a valid argument, come back and we can argue about Ellis or Curry or just the Raptors in general. Until then, I ask that you use your time to work on your comprehension skills.
Yawn. That's the best you have Dr Seuss? I think you really need to stay off hoopshype and realgm and actually watch the games before looking at your keyboard again.
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Old 05-07-2011, 06:43 PM   #925 (permalink)
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Is that so.

Is 28 point on 9-15 shooting, including 2-4 from three and 8-9 from the free throw stripe not good enough for you, or these supposed scouts that don't seem to exist considering his current draft stock?
Well there you have it folks - a definitive college game. I guess your right and have a better ability to gauge his skills than professionals from a stat line. Cause we all know that all these college players translate their games so efficiently and effectively into the NBA. You have mad skills DR Seuss.
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Old 05-07-2011, 07:11 PM   #926 (permalink)
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As of next year:

DD>J-Rich
Ed>Bass
Bayless>Nelson

If you guys seriously don't see what a Howard/Ed Davis front court could do I don't know what to tell you.

If you're telling me that DeMar is not a STUD, I say you did not watch enough games this year. Yes, his defense, ball-handling, 3-point shot need plenty work, but he puts in more than plenty work. I'm sorry but I see DeMar as a future bonafide all-star.

Orlando never had as good second option as DeMar could be.

As for Hedo, it's just us taking one of Orlando's bad contracts which they will probably want. Seriously this wasn't as bad as VC, and if Turk came back with D12 the past would be forgotten.

Then sign Jr Smith and Reggie.
no on all.

And furthermore if we are comparing our young guys to Orlando's to see what Howard would look like here......

Ed cannot space the floor at all. bass isnt nearly as good beside him as Lewis or Anderson or whoever it is there now behind bass. Ed cannot space the floor for the big guy and it would constantly allow for eds man to easily drop over and double dwight all game long.

Demar may be better than Jrich next year but Jrich is a better compliment to Dwight because he does have range on his shot, Demar is at best in a midrange pull up, and with no 3pt shot and no real handles of sorts his man can play the drive and give him the shot bringing the defense even closer to dwight.

Orlando had alot better second options than what Demar can become. Hedo was a sixth man of the year and the most clutch in a deep playoff run of anyone in the playoffs.
Nelson is far from a top pg in the league and I really like what Bayless an become, but Nelson has proven himself in the league and Bayless is on his 3rd team.
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Old 05-07-2011, 07:19 PM   #927 (permalink)
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Yawn. That's the best you have Dr Seuss? I think you really need to stay off hoopshype and realgm and actually watch the games before looking at your keyboard again.
That's all I have? This response clearly shows you have so much more to offer.

Just because I proved you wrong, doesn't mean you have to go and make yourself look like a bigger idiot than you have already proved to be.

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Well there you have it folks - a definitive college game. I guess your right and have a better ability to gauge his skills than professionals from a stat line. Cause we all know that all these college players translate their games so efficiently and effectively into the NBA. You have mad skills DR Seuss.
Actually, you claim to know more about the professionals.

They see him as the number one overall pick. You see him as a regular prospect with injury problems.

I was hoping you had a grasp on basketball, instead you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Your recent posts have proven that theory quite nicely. Better luck next time.
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Old 05-08-2011, 06:37 PM   #929 (permalink)
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fun to see how thing shake up :

bargs + kleiza for iguodala + speights
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Old 05-08-2011, 07:29 PM   #930 (permalink)
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fun to see how thing shake up :

bargs + kleiza for iguodala + speights
Hell no. Iguodala is a chucker, 100x worst than Sonny Weems. DeRozan > Iguodala.
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Hell no. Iguodala is a chucker, 100x worst than Sonny Weems. DeRozan > Iguodala.
You compare everyone to Sonny Weems. lol
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If the Raptors draft Byombo then trade Bargnani for Batum and Oden!
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If the Raptors draft Byombo then trade Bargnani for Batum and Oden!
Davis > Byombo
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Old 05-09-2011, 04:20 PM   #934 (permalink)
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Davis > Byombo
I don't see how Biyombo would effect Davis? Biyombo should be able to play center just as well as he does power forward.

I also don't understand why you compared Igoudala and DeRozan. They play different position.
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I don't see how Biyombo would effect Davis? Biyombo should be able to play center just as well as he does power forward.

I also don't understand why you compared Igoudala and DeRozan. They play different position.
We are projected to get the #3 pick, but we can fall anywhere from 1-5. He isn't a top 5 pick, he will get drafted between the 7-10 range. Since this draft is weak we will draft the best player available if we don't get the #1 or #2 pick. If he is drafted to another team we could offer a trade for our pick, but also get additional assets. It isn't logical to draft him alone when you can get him + other players.

Also Andre and DeRozan play the same position.. both are guards/forwards and interchangeable at both positions.
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Also Andre and DeRozan play the same position.. both are guards/forwards and interchangeable at both positions.
+1 exactly my point.
and don't forget iguy is a solid defender.
so even if he is overpaid, i think he will be a good fit at the sg/sf spot along with DD. and he will bring some experience, and he still isn't old.
at least JJ can learn from him, as well DD.

iguy + speights for Bargs i can see a good move.and if we play that right take the draft pick of phily with that.

biyombo is a raw center undersize, but he remind me of cousins (for the undersize part) so it's not a real problem. wallace is the same size and did a real great job back in the day.
so i don't think he will be lost for us to bring him here too.

biyombo + Iguy + speights can be a real change factor for us with Bargs gone. defense will be more suitable to our team.

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We are projected to get the #3 pick, but we can fall anywhere from 1-5. He isn't a top 5 pick, he will get drafted between the 7-10 range. Since this draft is weak we will draft the best player available if we don't get the #1 or #2 pick. If he is drafted to another team we could offer a trade for our pick, but also get additional assets. It isn't logical to draft him alone when you can get him + other players.

Also Andre and DeRozan play the same position.. both are guards/forwards and interchangeable at both positions.
I don't disagree. Although we can fall anywhere between 1-6 (not 5).

I, like you said, don't think we should be picking Bismack at the position we will be in. But with that said, I wouldn't be opposed to aquiring a later pick in order to pick him.

As for the Iggy-DD debate, it still shouldn't make a difference if DeRozan is better than Iggy considering they can both be on the floor at the same time.
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I don't disagree. Although we can fall anywhere between 1-6 (not 5).

I, like you said, don't think we should be picking Bismack at the position we will be in. But with that said, I wouldn't be opposed to aquiring a later pick in order to pick him.

As for the Iggy-DD debate, it still shouldn't make a difference if DeRozan is better than Iggy considering they can both be on the floor at the same time.
Iggy is a bad teammate and doesn't bring anything to the table besides chucking. James Johnson brings alot more to the table and changed the whole atmosphere of this team. He is also a great teammate.
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Iggy is a bad teammate and doesn't bring anything to the table besides chucking. James Johnson brings alot more to the table and changed the whole atmosphere of this team. He is also a great teammate.
Way too early to praise Johnson this much. I like him and hope he can build on his couple months of play this season, but let's not get carried away just yet.
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Way too early to praise Johnson this much. I like him and hope he can build on his couple months of play this season, but let's not get carried away just yet.
I'm not getting carried away, I'm just saying at this point he is a better prospect than Iggy on and off the court.
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