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Old 04-29-2011, 04:10 PM   #901 (permalink)
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wow....you must be the only person that thinks our line up would CRUSH the magic line up. i feel pretty sorry for you.
you think that line up could advance to the 2nd round?
if were talking as of right now:
nelson > bayless
richardson > DDR
bass > ed

future wise who knows? if bayless turns into nelson in his prime we should be ecstatic. if DDR turns into jrich in his gsw days we should be happy. ed should be better than bass in the future, if expectations are met.

and you still haven't responded to why the hell we would want hedo....which probably negates this whole argument in the first place


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Old 04-29-2011, 04:30 PM   #902 (permalink)
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If you don't think that a starting line up of

Bayless
DeMar
Turkoglu
Ed Davis
Howard

can be a force to be reckoned with than I guess I just feel pretty sorry for you.

BTW, that lineup CRUSHES:

Nelson
Richardson
hedo
Bass
Dwight
I don't care if we get Durant, Wade, Amare, Melo, Dwight... I still wouldn't take back Hedo, he is a worthless piece of shit. I'd rather sign a random guy from the D-League than have Hedo play on this team.
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Old 04-29-2011, 05:01 PM   #903 (permalink)
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wow....you must be the only person that thinks our line up would CRUSH the magic line up. i feel pretty sorry for you.
you think that line up could advance to the 2nd round?
if were talking as of right now:
nelson > bayless
richardson > DDR
bass > ed

future wise who knows? if bayless turns into nelson in his prime we should be ecstatic. if DDR turns into jrich in his gsw days we should be happy. ed should be better than bass in the future, if expectations are met.

and you still haven't responded to why the hell we would want hedo....which probably negates this whole argument in the first place
As of next year:

DD>J-Rich
Ed>Bass
Bayless>Nelson

If you guys seriously don't see what a Howard/Ed Davis front court could do I don't know what to tell you.

If you're telling me that DeMar is not a STUD, I say you did not watch enough games this year. Yes, his defense, ball-handling, 3-point shot need plenty work, but he puts in more than plenty work. I'm sorry but I see DeMar as a future bonafide all-star.

Orlando never had as good second option as DeMar could be.

As for Hedo, it's just us taking one of Orlando's bad contracts which they will probably want. Seriously this wasn't as bad as VC, and if Turk came back with D12 the past would be forgotten.

Then sign Jr Smith and Reggie.

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Old 04-29-2011, 05:26 PM   #904 (permalink)
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As of next year:

DD>J-Rich
Ed>Bass
Bayless>Nelson

If you guys seriously don't see what a Howard/Ed Davis front court could do I don't know what to tell you.

If you're telling me that DeMar is not a STUD, I say you did not watch enough games this year. Yes, his defense, ball-handling, 3-point shot need plenty work, but he puts in more than plenty work. I'm sorry but I see DeMar as a future bonafide all-star.

Orlando never had as good second option as DeMar could be.

As for Hedo, it's just us taking one of Orlando's bad contracts which they will probably want. Seriously this wasn't as bad as VC, and if Turk came back with D12 the past would be forgotten.

Then sign Jr Smith and Reggie.
thats ur opinion and ur right, but one that few, if any share....
many people here are saying where would our scoring come from if we got rid of AB. so thats to say, no one else on this roster is a CONSISTANT scorer on a nightly basis yet. and we saw from this years playoffs what happens if you let howard carry the offensive load.
obviously anytime u add the best center in the game no matter at whatever cost you make ur team better. but to say that our team with howard crushes a magic team with howard is just insane. if it was THAT MUCH better you wouldnt have to try so hard to prove ur points and there will people that would agree with you.
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:15 PM   #905 (permalink)
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If you don't think that a starting line up of

Bayless
DeMar
Turkoglu
Ed Davis
Howard

can be a force to be reckoned with than I guess I just feel pretty sorry for you.

BTW, that lineup CRUSHES:

Nelson
Richardson
hedo
Bass
Dwight
Why would Turkoglu start when we have big game James at the SF spot?
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Old 05-05-2011, 05:43 AM   #906 (permalink)
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Trade Bargnani to Houston for
Hasheem Thabeet, Terrence Williams and 15th pick

No doubt Houston does it. We give up talent but get youth back. And getting rid of Bargnani for a young players and pick is as good as it gets for me.

Thabeet is your rebounding, shot-blocking centre
And then we can field tallest centres in the league in Thabeet, Alabi and Ajinca!

Terrence Williams is a versatile defensive SF to back up James Johnson
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Old 05-06-2011, 12:08 AM   #907 (permalink)
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JJ is a back up...not sure why we would weaken the front court like that. Yao is done and Miller is old and I'm sure Thabeet will be needed to back-up Hayes. I don't think we should trade Bargs for back-ups. Looking at the league it seems pretty weak for a trade and there are few good centers and teams just aren't going to give up on them. The draft is even worse for C's. Too bad we didn't get Chandler.

What about Beans? He seems to have fallen in the depth chart on GS. I always liked his play. Bargs/DD for Beans/Ellis?

If we get a top 2 pick then either Irving or Williams will be a great addition. I think reading on here I'm liking Williams more and more. Beans/Davis/Williams/Ellis/Calderon would be a nice combination of defence, 3pts, assists, slashing and speed. Having Amir/Kleiza/JJ/Weems/Bayless coming off the bench is pretty good to me. Bargs could back up Lee and DD would be a nice backcourt with Curry.

Seems like a win/win to me.
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Old 05-06-2011, 03:42 AM   #908 (permalink)
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Houston also has Jordan Hill and Luis Scola, I think they're set on big men and Thabeet is garbage.

GSW won't do that because pairing Bargnani with David Lee spells trouble. And I don't want to give Demar for Ellis, ever. Give me Steph Curry.
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:20 AM   #909 (permalink)
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trade 1 :
TOR give Calderon + davis + futur 1st round 2013-2017
GSW give curry + 1st round 2011 + biedrins.

GSW can pair lee with davis and they will have a good frontcourt. Calderon and ellis will pair better than ellis/curry because jose is more a QB than a scorer.
and given the draft 2011 is lesser than the future, i think they can give us this one for a futur one.


we get a pretty good pg + a big man.
yes, we lose davis, but he is not one who will stay in toronto in the future. so keep player who want to play here.

trade 2 :
portland give oden (S&T) + batum + 1st portland 2012
toronto give Bargs + 1st tor 2011

oden is a risk for portland, even if he can be healthy in the futur, but Bargs can be their 3rd big men and give them some scoring.
batum is a good SF and he is still young, and ready to play not like a "possible" draft pick this year.

we trade our first for batum + 2012 pick, that seems in favor of portland, but oden for Bargs can be risky fo us, but that give us the opportunity to get ride of barg, and have a real center (if healthy to run the forntcourt)

trade 3:
Tor give Barbosa + alabi
Houston give patterson + lee + 1st 2011

houston need some really good bench player to add their depth, and barbosa can give them that.
we get a solid PF prospect with patterson, and a backup sg with lee.

resign evans as our vet and real leader in the locker room.

curry/bayless
DD/Lee
Batum/JJ/kleiza
amir/patterson/evans
oden/biedrins/dorsey

we lose our big pick, but we still have a pretty young core and 2 late lottery pick this year.

with these 3 trade we manage to work our liabilities with caldy, barg out, and get some pretty good player with curry and batum, and one risk with oden.
but this team can really compete in the EAST next season, and for 3 or 4 year to come.

we keep some europlayer with batum kleiza and biedrins, who don't care playing in canada or in US. and we manage to have 3 player who play together in Portland (batum, bayless and oden)
so this core should manage to work together and win some games.

the real question will be to know if Jay can manage to send them in playoffs next season.

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Old 05-06-2011, 08:39 AM   #910 (permalink)
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Houston also has Jordan Hill and Luis Scola, I think they're set on big men and Thabeet is garbage.

GSW won't do that because pairing Bargnani with David Lee spells trouble. And I don't want to give Demar for Ellis, ever. Give me Steph Curry.
if Thabeet is garbage why would you trade for him - as filler? GSW has Ekpe and Amundson at C and Bargs would be backing up Lee at PF. Could potentially create some interesting mismatches though.

I like Ellis and Curry both but I wouldn't think GS would part with Curry. Ellis would fit better here as a SG with JC and Bayless at pg. 24.1ppg, 2.1spg, 5.6apg, 3.5rpg and 1.7 made 3's a game is a pretty nice stat line for Ellis especially if he were paired with Williams as a SF. Ellis also has that attitude and drive that the Raps seems to be lacking. The deal would nicely fix both team's issues with the players we both have.

As an alternative, if we drafted Irving, we could trade Irving/Bargs for Curry/Beans. We have a lineup of Curry/DD/JJ (yuck)/Davis/Beans. The only hole would be the SF still but then we'd have JC to trade. Honestly, if the stars aligned I much better like the line of JC/Ellis/Williams/Davis/Beans. So much more complete. And with Bayless as a back-up it would allow the Raps to trade JC and whatever for a pg.

LOL of course if the Raps get pick 3 or lower then everything above else doesn't matter.
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if Thabeet is garbage why would you trade for him - as filler? GSW has Ekpe and Amundson at C and Bargs would be backing up Lee at PF. Could potentially create some interesting mismatches though.

I like Ellis and Curry both but I wouldn't think GS would part with Curry. Ellis would fit better here as a SG with JC and Bayless at pg. 24.1ppg, 2.1spg, 5.6apg, 3.5rpg and 1.7 made 3's a game is a pretty nice stat line for Ellis especially if he were paired with Williams as a SF. Ellis also has that attitude and drive that the Raps seems to be lacking. The deal would nicely fix both team's issues with the players we both have.

As an alternative, if we drafted Irving, we could trade Irving/Bargs for Curry/Beans. We have a lineup of Curry/DD/JJ (yuck)/Davis/Beans. The only hole would be the SF still but then we'd have JC to trade. Honestly, if the stars aligned I much better like the line of JC/Ellis/Williams/Davis/Beans. So much more complete. And with Bayless as a back-up it would allow the Raps to trade JC and whatever for a pg.

LOL of course if the Raps get pick 3 or lower then everything above else doesn't matter.
There are so many things wrong with this post.

How would Ellis fit in better here? DeRozan is absolutely better than Bayless is, and the difference between Ellis and Curry isn't big enough to make up for the difference between DeRozan and Bayless. Curry would be a much better fit here, no doubt about it.

On the other hand, why would you trade Irving for Curry? I know that Curry's obviously more proven, but there's no way I would trade what Irving could potentially be for what Curry could potentially be.

I think you're overrating Ellis. He's one of those guys who can do everything on the court individually, but in a team environment, he's unable to lead his team to bigger and better things. I see Curry as much more of a leader on the court than Ellis is.
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There are so many things wrong with this post.

How would Ellis fit in better here? DeRozan is absolutely better than Bayless is, and the difference between Ellis and Curry isn't big enough to make up for the difference between DeRozan and Bayless. Curry would be a much better fit here, no doubt about it.

On the other hand, why would you trade Irving for Curry? I know that Curry's obviously more proven, but there's no way I would trade what Irving could potentially be for what Curry could potentially be.

I think you're overrating Ellis. He's one of those guys who can do everything on the court individually, but in a team environment, he's unable to lead his team to bigger and better things. I see Curry as much more of a leader on the court than Ellis is.
Oh my, never said trade Irving, I said we would have to replace Curry with Irving if GS got rid of curry which won't happen. Ellis is a scorer which is what the sg should be. I think you underestimate Ellis. He wouldn't be a distibutor here but a scorer which is what he is. Calderon or Bayless distributes, Ellis and Williams scores, Davis and Beans defends. Ellis is a better scorer than Derozan any day.

Also, if curry is a leader and similar to Ellis in scoring (which hes not) why would you trade him?

Anyways, DeRozan is a good player but certainly he hasn't done enough to warrant being untouchable.
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Oh my, never said trade Irving, I said we would have to replace Curry with Irving if GS got rid of curry which won't happen. Ellis is a scorer which is what the sg should be. I think you underestimate Ellis. He wouldn't be a distibutor here but a scorer which is what he is. Calderon or Bayless distributes, Ellis and Williams scores, Davis and Beans defends. Ellis is a better scorer than Derozan any day.

Also, if curry is a leader and similar to Ellis in scoring (which hes not) why would you trade him?

Anyways, DeRozan is a good player but certainly he hasn't done enough to warrant being untouchable.
Most of what you said has nothing to do with what I posted.

"If Curry is a better leader and similar to Ellis in scoring..." When did I say Curry was a better scorer? If Ellis is so much better then Curry then why would they trade Ellis? Your response had nothing to with what I posted.

I said that the difference between DeRozan and Bayless is large enough to warrant a return of Curry rather than Ellis. I realize this team shouldn't be picking and choosing, but like I've already said, with the point guard position being of such need on this team, Curry does a lot more for this team than Ellis in my opinion.

Oh, and you did say trade Irving, in fact you even proposed a scenario. I don't really understand your argument.
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Most of what you said has nothing to do with what I posted.

"If Curry is a better leader and similar to Ellis in scoring..." When did I say Curry was a better scorer? If Ellis is so much better then Curry then why would they trade Ellis? Your response had nothing to with what I posted.

I said that the difference between DeRozan and Bayless is large enough to warrant a return of Curry rather than Ellis. I realize this team shouldn't be picking and choosing, but like I've already said, with the point guard position being of such need on this team, Curry does a lot more for this team than Ellis in my opinion.

Oh, and you did say trade Irving, in fact you even proposed a scenario. I don't really understand your argument.
There is no argument. IF you can read you will see that IF GS trades Curry then they would need something of equal or promise of equal value for the lose of their starting pg. Bayless is no replacement at all for Curry and what are you doing with DD and Ellis who play the same position. I stated IF a trade like that were to happen then with GS losing their pg they would absolutely want something of value to replace that position. Bayless is far from it and even Irving would be a stretch considering his injury. Ellis has proven he's no distributing pg which is why he plays sg. What you propose makes absolutely no sense for GS. You can probably understand the post better if you actually took time to read it and understand it.
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As an alternative, if we drafted Irving, we could trade Irving/Bargs for Curry/Beans. We have a lineup of Curry/DD/JJ (yuck)/Davis/Beans. The only hole would be the SF still but then we'd have JC to trade. Honestly, if the stars aligned I much better like the line of JC/Ellis/Williams/Davis/Beans. So much more complete. And with Bayless as a back-up it would allow the Raps to trade JC and whatever for a pg.
I believe this counts as you proposing the trade of Irving for Curry.
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I don't understand why everyone wants Andris Biedrins on this team.. he is soft and is 10x worst than Bargnani. Curry yes... Biedrins NO.
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There is no argument. IF you can read you will see that IF GS trades Curry then they would need something of equal or promise of equal value for the lose of their starting pg. Bayless is no replacement at all for Curry and what are you doing with DD and Ellis who play the same position. I stated IF a trade like that were to happen then with GS losing their pg they would absolutely want something of value to replace that position. Bayless is far from it and even Irving would be a stretch considering his injury. Ellis has proven he's no distributing pg which is why he plays sg. What you propose makes absolutely no sense for GS. You can probably understand the post better if you actually took time to read it and understand it.
If I can read? That's ironic coming from you.

I would like to see where I "proposed" anything.

I never said Bayless was a replacement for Curry, where the heck do you get this stuff? All I said was that Curry fits better on this team than Ellis, but that I wouldn't trade Irving for Curry if we were fortunate enough to land the first overall pick. At no point did I say, 'let's trade Bayless and *blank* for Curry and *blank*'. I realize the chances of us getting Curry is slim to none, but all I was saying is if I had the choice I'd rather have Curry rather than Ellis. You said Ellis was a better fit, I said Curry was a better fit. No proposals anywhere in my previous posts.

Now, if you knew what you were talking about, you would realize that Irving injury was, although serious, just a freak accident. It is not considered to be a reoccuring injury like it would be if he had knee issues.

I realize Ellis plays shooting guard, and if you were able to read sufficiently you would be able to disect my posts to a point where you realize that's why I don't want him here. If he was a point guard, he would fit much better on this team, do you see what I'm saying?

I'm not exactly sure if what you type is what you're trying to say, but for your sake, I hope it's not.
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Apparently it is a struggle for you so I'll slow it down. A trade has to work on both sides and this doesn't for GS. I did say let's just trade Irving. I started the whole sentence with a nice word called 'if' based on a team that with your thinking should decide on a lopsided trade regarding Curry being sent to the Raps. Derozan is far from better than Ellis and Ellis and Curry are not 'almost similar players' as you've proposed. why do some get caught up in reading profiles then suggesting lopsided trades and then stand back all proud of themselves. At some point one would think common sense would kick in.

As for your post and trying to dissect it - I did, it lead to a Dr Seuss book - about the same nonsense

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