The Official RF Trade Proposal Thread - Page 44
Old 04-19-2011, 03:46 PM   #861 (permalink)
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The trade I like is Bargnani for Marvin Williams and Zaza

Marvin is the anti Bargs. Doesn't light up the scoreboard but is long and athletic and hits the glass, add that to difference by subtraction defensively/rebounding by dumping Bargnani and you get a big difference. Marvin is a good glue guy and on our team post Bargnani he probably puts up 15ppg, not that it means anything

Bargnani is a good fit for Atl too, Horford and Smith are exactly the types Bargs needs to play with and they need a spark trade like this. Also allows Horford to play at PF for long periods

Do that and after drafting Kanter at #3

Bayless/Calderon
Derozan/Barbosa
Marvin/James Johnson
Davis/Amir
Zaza/Kanter

Probably a worse team but we defend and hit the glass and have a ton of muscle in the frontcourt going forward which is all good. Eventually plan is Demar to be consistent 20ppg guy, one of Bayless, Davis or Kanter to be 2nd guy who gets doubles (probably Kanter), then add a star prospect in the next two drafts and we're looking good on both ends
Bargnani is not that bad man..we can do much much better.
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:07 PM   #862 (permalink)
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Bargnani is not that bad man..we can do much much better.
Better then Marvin Williams and ZaZa? I'd be shocked if we can do much better at all. That's decent value imo.
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:39 PM   #863 (permalink)
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Better then Marvin Williams and ZaZa? I'd be shocked if we can do much better at all. That's decent value imo.
We can trade reggie and weems and get marvin and zaza... so we can definitely net more than them from Bargnani
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:41 PM   #864 (permalink)
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We can trade reggie and weems and get marvin and zaza... so we can definitely net more than them from Bargnani
Evans and Weems? You're joking right? Williams stock has dropped a little but not that much.
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Evans and Weems? You're joking right? Williams stock has dropped a little but not that much.
+1 Weems? lol
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+1 Weems? lol
Even Evans. I love him, but he's been injury prone the last two seasons, is not skilled in the least and is getting up there. Great rebounder and leader but that aside i don't know what he'd fetch on the open market if traded (if he was still under contract).
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:51 PM   #867 (permalink)
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People here undervalue Bargnani. Sure he isn't the best #1 pick overall, but hes not a bad player. Saying we can get two shit players in Marvin/Zaza is ridiculous. Those players won't get us anywhere anyways.
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:56 PM   #868 (permalink)
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People here undervalue Bargnani. Sure he isn't the best #1 pick overall, but hes not a bad player. Saying we can get two shit players in Marvin/Zaza is ridiculous. Those players won't get us anywhere anyways.
Marvin Williams is shit now? lol

Sorry, but he shot the same as Bargnani this season, same rebounds per in less minutes as a SF, is more athletic and can play better defense. Marvin Williams would help this team. Johnson/Williams at the SF spot would be a good thing imo.

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Old 04-19-2011, 11:00 PM   #869 (permalink)
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Marvin Williams is shit now? lol

Sorry, but he shot the same as Bargnani this season, same rebounds per in less minutes as a SF, is more athletic and can play better defense. Marvin Williams would help this team. Johnson/Williams at the SF spot would be a good thing imo.
No it wouldn't. Marvin is arguably the worst player on the Hawks. JJ > Marvin. I don't see any logic in trading for backups, we need starters.
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No it wouldn't. Marvin is arguably the worst player on the Hawks. JJ > Marvin. I don't see any logic in trading for backups, we need starters.
Starters, for Bargnani, who would be a sixth-seventh man on any good team in the NBA? I'm not saying Marvin Williams is a great player, but neither is Bargnani to say the least. And if Marvin Williams is arguably the Hawks worst player, why is it that he averages nearly 30mpg? Surely by now he would have been replaced after 6 seasons in Atlanta.And to say JJ is better after he has barely playing in the NBA and being sent down to the D-League earlier this season......a little premature.

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Starters, for Bargnani, who would be a sixth-seventh man on any good team in the NBA? I'm not saying Marvin Williams is a great player, but neither is Bargnani to say the least. And if Marvin Williams is arguably the Hawks worst player, why is it that averages nearly 30mpg? Surely by now he would have been replaced after 6 seasons in Atlanta.And to say JJ is better after him barely playing in the NBA and being sent down to the D-League earlier this season......a little premature.
JJ has a much higher ceiling than Marvin. Marvin's been in the league for what, 7 years? He had an opportunity and now hes coming off the bench.. he has reached his potential, what you see in Marvin is what you will always see. JJ hasn't had the opportunity like Marvin and got thrown into a role to prove himself this season.. and is putting up solid numbers playing the same amount of minutes as Marvin Williams. Coming back next season extra motivated JJ will pass Marvin statistically with ease. I don't get what you see in Marvin, he is a lost cause.
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Old 04-19-2011, 11:14 PM   #872 (permalink)
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Ask any GM in the NBA who would they rather have, JJ or Marvin... every single GM would say JJ. Plus JJ brought alot of swagger to this team, and Marvin can't bring the same intangibles.

Also can Marvin handle the ball and create for teammates? Hell to the know. He also plays horrible defense.

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Ask any GM in the NBA who would they rather have, JJ or Marvin... every single GM would say JJ. Plus JJ brought alot of swagger to this team, and Marvin can't bring the same intangibles.
Any GM? I wouldn't be so sure about that one. I like JJ don't get me wrong but a year ago Marvin Williams was a player teams wanted and many here were clammering for. I highly doubt that at 24yrs old he's a lost cause. That's an absurd statement. He's a 11-12ppg/5-6rpg SF that can play decent defense.
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he's 10.4/5, getting paid $23 mil over the next 3 years. just for the record.
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he's 10.4/5, getting paid $23 mil over the next 3 years. just for the record.
Well that changes things. I take it back. He's not worth nearly 8Mil/yr.

Even though i think his ppg numbers would probably go up here to what he was averaging a couple years ago (14ppg). Still not sure he'd be worth it.
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Trade Bargnani to Phoenix
for Robin Lopez, Josh Childress (and their pick, cause I'm greedy!)

both those guys are not getting minutes there
Phoenix is quite successful with Frye so Bargs will fit in well
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Trade Bargnani to Phoenix
for Robin Lopez, Josh Childress (and their pick, cause I'm greedy!)

both those guys are not getting minutes there
Phoenix is quite successful with Frye so Bargs will fit in well
Trade our best player for two guys not getting minutes? Not sure about that....

while Lopez could be a good fit, we could definitely get more. Childress was a mistake by Phoenix, he's got a hefty contract too.
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Trade Bargnani to Phoenix
for Robin Lopez, Josh Childress (and their pick, cause I'm greedy!)

both those guys are not getting minutes there
Phoenix is quite successful with Frye so Bargs will fit in well
The only player I'd want from them is Brooks. And we aren't getting him for Bargnani unless they have a major brain cramp. Although Lopez + pick might not be too bad. I don't want Childress.
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Marvin is the 4th or 5th option in Atlanta, he's not going to put up much ppg

He's a good midrange shooter, a couple years ago he had one of the best midrange shooting seasons in the league according to Hollinger's numbers at the time. He can hit 3s about as good as Deng. And will finish at the rim. I see 14ppg+ on a Bargnani less Raptors

But really we'd be getting him to do the things Bargnani doesn't. Provide help defense with his length and athleticism, hit the glass, move the ball. He's a glue guy. If you like what Luol Deng did for Chicago this year, you'll like Marvin. He's obviously a poorer man's version of Deng, but has a similar style of game and glue guy-ness
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Marvin is the 4th or 5th option in Atlanta, he's not going to put up much ppg

He's a good midrange shooter, a couple years ago he had one of the best midrange shooting seasons in the league according to Hollinger's numbers at the time. He can hit 3s about as good as Deng. And will finish at the rim. I see 14ppg+ on a Bargnani less Raptors

But really we'd be getting him to do the things Bargnani doesn't. Provide help defense with his length and athleticism, hit the glass, move the ball. He's a glue guy. If you like what Luol Deng did for Chicago this year, you'll like Marvin. He's obviously a poorer man's version of Deng, but has a similar style of game and glue guy-ness
That would be great trade for the Raps. As small forward with a perimter game could open the floor for Demar, plus he is decent defender. However, Horford and his dad have been complaining that Al should be playing power forward. As per Bargnani, he is a natural power forward, not a center.

I would go to OKC for Ibaka. They already have Perkins signed long-term protecting the paint and grabbing boards. Also they drafted Cole Aldrich last year and Byron Mullens two years ago. Bargnani for Ibaka and Thabo.
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