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Old 12-21-2010, 07:20 AM   #761 (permalink)
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:14 PM   #762 (permalink)
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what about this one :

toronto give evans, amir, alabi, weems + tpe + 2 1st rd pick 2011

Dallas give haywood, beaubois, buttler + 2011/2012/2013 1st pick + 2011/2012 2rd pick

denver give andersen, JR smith + anthony


denver gets : all the 1st pick (7)
beaubois, buttler + amir + alabi + tpe bosh.

not so bad to rebuild at denver.

dalles gets anthony, evans, weems.

toronto gets : andersen, haywood and JR smith.

jose/bayless/barbosa
JR SMIth/DD/barbosa
Kleiza/DD/Wright
Bargs/davis/dorsey
Haywood/andersen/Bargs


i think this can be a win-win-win.
denver gets some prospects, 7 pick in the 3 years, and butler who are tremendous so far. and Beaubois (the new french T.parker)

dallas gets anthony and with that it's like a championship team.

kidd/barea
terry/stevenson
anthony/marion/weems
Dirk/evans/marion
chandler/mahimmi/ajinca

not too bad at all.
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:18 PM   #763 (permalink)
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I don't that deal from a Toronto perspective. We have to give up 2 first rounders, which is important for rebuilding. Then, we have to absorb Haywood's massive contract, which will limit future movement. Although JR Smith can score points, he's wildly inconsistent and is probably not Toronto's answer.
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:19 PM   #764 (permalink)
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Old 12-24-2010, 06:30 PM   #765 (permalink)
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oki, what about this one :

trade 1:

toronto give Bargnani + kleiza + + weems + first miami + tpe
orlando give redikc, bass + tpe + 2 futur picks
houston give hayes, battier, miller + hill

Houston gets weems, kleiza, bass + miami first + 1 futur protected orlando pick. + tpe toronto (bosh) + tpe orlando (gortat)

Houston get some money (almost 10M), 3 picks and a solid sf, a fresh PF and a prospect to go with all their young.
they can begin to rebuild without ming in mind.

orlando gets Bargnani + Miller
they add some size in the middle, a veteran one, and a centern/PF and more sf , who will fit perfectly with D12.
wirh D12 + Barg + Milller they can fight against all great size team (celtics, lakers, Dallas or chicago)

Nelson/duhon
arenas/richardson
turk/richardson
barg/anderson/clark
D12/miller

toronto gets : redick + hayes + battier + J hill
we get a starter sg (with good shooting ability and defense-mind, a good Center prospect and a leader-veteran-defense SF.


Trade2:

toronto give : calderon, alabi, johnson + 1st toronto pick 2011 and 2012

Sacramento give : Thompson + T. Evans

sacramento gets a real pg who can lead their team because he is unselfish. a decent PF and a prospect Center. and 2 picks.

toronto gets 2 youngs, one wery valuable guard and a big center.

evans/bayless/barbosa
Redick/barbosa/DD
DD/battier/wright
davis/hill/dorsey
hayes/thompson.

a real young team with some future, especially with battier and barbosa as the veteran leaders.

what do you think ? too much change. but at this stage of the season we can say we will not have a hight draft pick and either go to playoffs. so why not make some changes.

they will learn 'til the end of the season how to play together, and will growing up together and next season we will have a competitive to go to playoffs, and maybe in few years we can be contender.
more defense, and equal scoring. need just to find a decent coach if triano can't do it.
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Old 12-24-2010, 06:48 PM   #766 (permalink)
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just to say espn trade machine
trade 1 :

trade 2

In fact toronto become more defensive, and make more sense for a new culture, with all the young we add, this will be a long term team if we can be succesfull.
And i would like to tjbik that BC had the team futur in mind, and not the futur of his protected euro (bargs, kleiza and caldy)
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Old 12-28-2010, 09:46 AM   #767 (permalink)
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just cause.


Memphis trades:
Mayo, Thabeet, Allen, 2011 first rounder if lower than raps pick in 2011

gets:
Evans, Wright, Weems, Rights to swap first rounder with Toronto in 2011

Memphis saves a LOAD of money and still maintains some serviceable depth
Conley/Vasquez
Henry/Weems/Young
Gay/Wright/Carroll
Randolph/Arthur/Evans
Gasol/Hadadi

Charlotte trades:
Wallace, Diop, Collins

gets:
Demar/Peja/Toronto or Memphis' first(depending on if Memphis exercises swap rights), Miami's first

Charlotte saves a LOAd of money, adds a solid young player with alot of room to grow and a couple of picks to rebuild.
Augustin/Livingston
SJAx/Henderson/Carroll
DEmar/McGuire
TT/Boris/Brown
Nazr/Brown

Toronto trades:
Demar/Peja/Weems/Wright/Evans/TPE/Miami first/Rights to swap picks with memphis in 2011

gets:
Mayo/Wallace/Allen/Thabeet/Diop/Collins

Toronto adds a bit of salary but adds some very solid pieces. move solidfies talent on the roster and adds a very balanced offense/defense.

Bayless/Jose/Collins
Mayo/Barbosa/Allen
Wallace/Kleiza/Dupree
Amir/Davis/Dorsey
Bargs/Diop/Thabeet
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Old 12-29-2010, 03:21 PM   #768 (permalink)
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trade 1:

toronto send wright + first toronto pick 2011 + 2012 + R. evans
dallas give mahimmi + beaubois + butler + stevenson + tpe + 1st pick 2011/2012 + one futur pick + 3 second round picks.
denver give anthony + lawson

=> dallas gets anthony + wright.
kidd/barea
terry/jones
anthony/marion/wright/novack
dirk/marion/wright
chandler/haywood/ajinca

=>denver gets all the 4st picks + 3second pick and one futur in the ten years + evans + beaubois + butler + stevenson

billups/beaubois/carter
smith/stevenson/afflalo
butler/forbes/aflalo
martin/evans/williams
nÚnÚ/anderson/fly
(doen't seems too bad + 8 picks and some expiring to rebuild.)

toronto gets Mahimmi and a great fast pg + tpe wright (dallas)

trade 2:

toronto give Bargnani + Calderon + weems+ miami pick 2011

orlando give duhon + bass + q.richarson + first 2012 pick and 2nd round pick 2013/14

sacramento give thompson + evans + landry

sacramento gets calderon, bass, Q richardson + first orlando piuk 2012 + miami pick 2011 + 2nd round orlando pick.

udrih/jose/jeter
Richardson/garcia/head
casspi/greene
cousins/bass/whiteside
dalembert/cousins/jackson
(not too change in fact)

orlando gets Bargnani , weems + landry.

nelson/arenas
richardson/redick
turk/weems
bargs/landry/anderson
d12/bargs/orton
they will have the twin tower and some scorer in the backcourt.
they will be more like a contender than now.


toronto gets : T.evans (or casspi), thompson + duhon

so after this two trades and only 5 players gone + some picks, we will have:

bayless/lawson/duhon
evans/DD/barbosa
kleiza/DD/evans (casspi)/peja
amir/davis/dorsey
thompson/mahimmi/alabi

take ride of dupree.
and you can also trade peja for a contender before the deadline and get back one or some picks. it doesn't matter.
you will have a team who can run for the future at least 2 or 3 years all together and it will be a different team, with a different mindset and with time to play together they will be the new OKC in the East.

in fact with all this, we win some money (26.8M out, and 11.8M in + 2.9M tpe) so this would make the payrool at 52M (15M tpe + 15M from peja contract out!) so we would be good for the next cba.

and without peja, you have only13 player, so in case there are too much injuries like now, you bring 2 10days contract from d-league or europe, and you will be fine.

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Old 01-04-2011, 12:21 PM   #769 (permalink)
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Random trade idea: C.J. Watson + James Johnson for Leandro Barbosa


The Bulls have that obvious hole at shooting guard that all of Bulls nation is trying to fill. One name that fits pretty well, but hasn't been publicized is Leandro Barbosa.

One of the primary problems in trading for a SG is that to match salaries the Bulls typically need to give up Ronnie Brewer or C.J. Watson, giving up Watson leaves them without a backup PG, trading Brewer often leaves them without really upgrading SG significantly (or possibly at all) as they typically lose defense.

This trade helps solve both problems.

Why for the Bulls

For the Bulls, Leandro Barbosa can play as the back up PG while Rose is out. He can run a high octane fast break oriented style of play and create his own shot. He can play C.J. Watson's role at least as well as C.J. Watson.

He can also come in and play minutes at SG as an offensive option for the team. He's a quality shooter over the course of his career though his percentages are likely helped from a large percentage of open three point shots created in the Suns offense.

Barbosa allows us to use Watson rather than Brewer in a trade, because he's a 1/2 option rather than a 2/3 like most of the SGs we've looked at.

Why for the Raptors

As for the Raptors, the trade makes some sense as well. Barbosa is a pretty expensive player relative to his value. The cost isn't long term (just one more season when he picks up his player option), but it's still 7 million for a player who's not giving you 7 million in value.

They save quite a bit of money this year on the trade as well as having large savings next year. They also replace Barbosa with Watson who can fulfill Barbosa's role in a more wide open offense. They Raptors also wanted James Johnson during the draft, and would have more playing time to offer him. While Johnson hasn't hit his potential here, he's flashed enough signs that he may still interest them as a prospect, especially given how hard he's worked and how little opportunity he's had.

Why it may not make sense for either team

The overall talent in the trade is pretty similar. My fear with the move is that C.J. Watson might actually be as talented as Barbosa, but stuck in a system that doesn't fit him as well. However, Barbosa may end up stuck in the same way as Watson, as much like Watson, he's a player who's used to running more, taking more risks, and creating his own shot.

Would Barbosa play as well as an off ball SG? Would he run the offense as the backup PG or have the freedom to create on his own and be himself?

On the surface, it's a deal that's close for both sides. I doubt it elevates the Bulls to championship contenders, but it does give them one more pure offensive player, and remove their biggest hole currently (Brewer or Korver would start with Barbosa playing the energy role off the bench).

As for the Raptors, they're giving up the best player in theory. Is minor cash savings and James Johnson as a prospect worth it to them? Sure they're not in win now mode, but they're also no where near the luxury tax, so the cash savings isn't that important either. Unless they really believe in Johnson or Watson, the move may not make much sense to them.
Random trade idea: C.J. Watson + James Johnson for Leandro Barbosa - Chicago Bulls Confidential
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Old 01-04-2011, 12:27 PM   #770 (permalink)
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That's not a bad deal.

I'm not the biggest Barbosa fan so my opinion is clouded but I've seen far worse.
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Old 01-04-2011, 02:27 PM   #771 (permalink)
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James Johnson really hasn't shown much... Watson hasn't either.... Barbosa is a great veteran on this team.... teammates love him.

If management sees something in JJ or CJ then you think about it, but I really don't see it as an upgrade move even in the longterm.
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Old 01-04-2011, 03:23 PM   #772 (permalink)
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why not make it most likely :

barbosa + weems + miami pick + tpe (korver)
for korver + asik + J. Johnson ?
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:07 PM   #773 (permalink)
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and what about this two ?

trade 1:
toronto give Bargnani + weems + alabi + tpe + 2011 miami pick.
chicago give brewer + korver + asik + 1st round 2012 (from charlotte)
phjiladeplhie give iguodala + speights + T.Young + 1st round 2012

philadelphie gets miami pick + Bargnani + brewer + alabi.
chicago gets iguodala + weems + tpe (toronto 5M)
toronto gets asik (C)+ korver(sg) + 2 first 2012 pick (charlotte + Phily) + t.Young (sf) + speights (c).

phily gets a huge center who can score, bargs. One solid sg with brewer, and one propect center. aloso a 2nd round pick.
so they lost iguy, but they get bargnani, this will not change so many their play, and can get a little higher in frontcourt.

chicago gets a really good sg, what they need, and with money from tpe and a prospect as weems, they can be good for contending.

toronto get ride of bargs. but gets 2 center in return, also two prospect in fact. and one good sg 3s shoter (korver) and a SF/PF prospect as young.

trade 2 :
a.
dallas give butler + 2nd round pick 2011+12
toronto give peja + 1st 2012 charlotte

b. Dallas give mahimmi + barea + tpe caroll
toronto give kleiza + dorsey

dallas gets a legit sf 3s shooter, and one solid backup + one first round pick. and with dorsey they get a cheap pf defensive player, who can change the play when dirk isn't there.

toronto gets 2nd round picks for peja, that enough, and we will have butler expiring still to keep us out of the new cba. and with mahimmi and barea whe have another Center defensive, and a solid pg backup.

toronto will looks like this after that :

jose/bayless/barea
DD/korver/barbosa
Young/DD/wright
amir/davis/evans
Asik/speights/mahimmi


you can keep evans, for veteran leadership matter.
that lets us with a current payroll for 2011-2012 season = 10M(caldy) + 2.5M( Bayless) + 0 (barea - expiring) + 2.3M (DD) + 5M (korver) + 7M(Barbosa) + 0M (Young) + 0M(wright)+ 5M (amir) + 2M (Davis) + 0 (Evans) + 3.9M (asik + speights + mahimmi) = 37.7M.

so if the cba will be barely 50M
we still have 12.7M to split between 6M young + minimum evans + 3m barea + 2.5 wright. (=13M)
and also we will have our 2011 first pick + 2011 2rd dallas and our 2012 1st pick + phily first 2012 + our 2nd 2012. so five propescts to come and we will have already bayless, barea, DD, young, wright, amir, davis, asik, speights and mahimmi.
that will make 15 end 2012.

so evans, jose and barbosa will not be maintain in end of 2011-2012 season, and we will be fine with one of the most young team.

we need triano to step up or to go and get a defense mindorient coach.
With that we could be one of the most attractive team to watch. and all this trade will be win-win situation because i'm sure, butler will return to dallas at the end of the season.
dallas keepp all his player, phily get one huge still prospect with barg and chicago get his sg legit starter who can help them to go in finals and win a championship.
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Old 01-07-2011, 05:45 AM   #774 (permalink)
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Because David Kahn is pure logic and no common sense...

To Raps

Kevin Love (3.638 through 11-12)
&
2 or 3 of:
Martell Webster (4.8 through 12-13)
Wayne Ellington (1.078 through 11-12)
Nikola Pekovic (4.275 through 12-13)
Lazar Hayward (1.03 through 11-12)

To T-Wolves:

Ed Davis (1.919 through 12-13 option)
Wright (2.858 through 10-11) or Weems (854,389 through 10-11)
Trade exception for the rest
Miami 1st rounder (if Kahn wants it)

The T-Wolves have some Euros, including Rubio, that they want to bring over for next season, Kahn is crazy and seems to crave roster flexibility more than wins. They only have 2 expiring contracts.
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Because David Kahn is pure logic and no common sense...

To Raps

Kevin Love (3.638 through 11-12)
&
2 or 3 of:
Martell Webster (4.8 through 12-13)
Wayne Ellington (1.078 through 11-12)
Nikola Pekovic (4.275 through 12-13)
Lazar Hayward (1.03 through 11-12)

To T-Wolves:

Ed Davis (1.919 through 12-13 option)
Wright (2.858 through 10-11) or Weems (854,389 through 10-11)
Trade exception for the rest
Miami 1st rounder (if Kahn wants it)

The T-Wolves have some Euros, including Rubio, that they want to bring over for next season, Kahn is crazy and seems to crave roster flexibility more than wins. They only have 2 expiring contracts.
Is it wrong for me to rather want Davis over Love with the makeup of this team? I'm not sure I want to move a defensive type PF for a rebounding PF.... just a thought. Love is very good, but Davis might be better.
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Old 01-07-2011, 04:56 PM   #776 (permalink)
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Is it wrong for me to rather want Davis over Love with the makeup of this team? I'm not sure I want to move a defensive type PF for a rebounding PF.... just a thought. Love is very good, but Davis might be better.
Love fills a couple roles for the Raps IMO. He can fill the shoes of Davis/Johnson/Evans-Dorsey and is a guy who can score better than anyone on the roster outside Bargnani. The Raps have 3 very similar PF's, Davis has the offensive upside no doubt. His defence is average at best, but this team is so inconsistent it would be great to add a young guy who is a guaranteed double-double, especially when the starting center can't average 6 boards a game.
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Old 01-08-2011, 01:14 PM   #777 (permalink)
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just cause I like these guys alot.

And because Phoenix is in trouble.

need top be done in separate deals.

Phoenix trades:
Gortat and Peitrus

gets:
Weems, Reggie and Miami first and rights to swap picks with Raps, some TPE


Phoenix saves money, adds pieces that contribute to what they need. Add a pick and move up as well.

Toronto adds defense at the sf and center spot. Cleans up roster a bit in the process.

Bayless/Jose/vet
Demar/Barbosa
Pietrus/Kleiza/Wright
Bargs/Amir/Davis
Gortat/Dorsey
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I'd do that Snoochie Boochie.
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Old 01-08-2011, 01:38 PM   #779 (permalink)
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yes, me too.

gortat will be great as our center starter, and pietrus... +++++
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and more euro, but who can really have an impact in this team.
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