The Official RF Trade Proposal Thread

[LightsOut]

Originally Posted by Kirby

He had to become the spot starter when Bogut got hurt and was the only backup big there (Ezeli was hurt and Barnes/Green aren't really bigs).All we need is him to play about 10-15 a night max, which I think is the best option out there.

edit: Speights was utterly useless.

thats true, I guess just don't trust his knees, it's not a matter of if but when he'll get injured to me.

[Bankiz]

In 2 parts :

a.
Minny get Lou + 1st tor 2015 + 1st NYk 2016 + 1st tor 2017
tor get Wiggins

b
Minny get Ross + Caboclo + Hayes
Tor get Martin + Thuriaf


Minny shed some money in the process, and our 2 picks would be unprotected.

we lose cap flexibility, but i think we win a futur all star. martin give us more what we need at the backup 2. a shooter-cutter. he don't need the ball as much as williams, that should open KL-GV-DD-AW-JV more.

KL/GV/Cherry
DD/Martin/Fields
Wiggins/JJ/Daniels
AJ/PP/TH
JV/Thuriaf/Bebe

[omar36]

dont think 3 picks out of the lottery is good enough for Wiggins, and in technical terms, cant give picks in consecutive years.

[Bankiz]

Originally Posted by omar36

dont think 3 picks out of the lottery is good enough for Wiggins, and in technical terms, cant give picks in consecutive years.

our picks are not in consecutive years. 2016 is NYK picks.
and in the process we give ross + Cab1clo.
but next summer they will have lose 11M in expirings.
they shed martin 20 M/3yrs contracts too.

i can understand that's not enough.

[LOG]

Originally Posted by Bankiz

In 2 parts :

a.
Minny get Lou + 1st tor 2015 + 1st NYk 2016 + 1st tor 2017
tor get Wiggins

b
Minny get Ross + Caboclo + Hayes
Tor get Martin + Thuriaf


Minny shed some money in the process, and our 2 picks would be unprotected.

we lose cap flexibility, but i think we win a futur all star. martin give us more what we need at the backup 2. a shooter-cutter. he don't need the ball as much as williams, that should open KL-GV-DD-AW-JV more.

KL/GV/Cherry
DD/Martin/Fields
Wiggins/JJ/Daniels
AJ/PP/TH
JV/Thuriaf/Bebe

Uhmm.. Ross and Caboclo for Martin and Turiaf??? Wtf man..

[Bankiz]

@ LOG :
I did the trade in two part, because minny can't trade wiggins to another team ith other player.
but without restriction in the traden it means :

tor get Wiggins + Martin + Thuriaf
Minny get Ross + Caboclo + Lou + Hayes + 1st tor 2015+2017 + 1st NYK 2016

[DanH]

Originally Posted by Bankiz

@ LOG :
I did the trade in two part, because minny can't trade wiggins to another team ith other player.
but without restriction in the traden it means :

tor get Wiggins + Martin + Thuriaf
Minny get Ross + Caboclo + Lou + Hayes + 1st tor 2015+2017 + 1st NYK 2016

They can trade him in a package as you outlined. It just can't be a package that requires his salary be combined with other salaries. So it can be one deal, so long as it works as two deals.

[niggles]

Originally Posted by DanH

They can trade him in a package as you outlined. It just can't be a package that requires his salary be combined with other salaries. So it can be one deal, so long as it works as two deals.

Still a dumb move, one trade or separated trades. If you take out the Lou + Hayes for Martin + Turiaf, you're basically trading Ross + Caboclo and 3 first round picks for Wiggins! And losing cap flexibility. WTF! WTF!

[DanH]

Originally Posted by niggles

Still a dumb move, one trade or separated trades. If you take out the Lou + Hayes for Martin + Turiaf, you're basically trading Ross + Caboclo and 3 first round picks for Wiggins! And losing cap flexibility. WTF! WTF!

I agree. Way too much. Take out Ross and I might do it.

[niggles]

Originally Posted by DanH

I agree. Way too much. Take out Ross and I might do it.

Or take out Caboclo.

[Bankiz]

It has me thinking about the all clev-minny deal, and think about some changes :
maybe in parts, but i don't care to explain it :too much to think about :


Cleveland get Love + TH
Minny get T Young + Caboclo + Ross + Richardson + Hayes + 4 first picks (3 tor, 1 philly)
Philly get Bennett + Martin + Fields + 2nd rd tor
Toronto get Wiggins + TT + Thuriaf + Barea

More i search for something that can be done, cleveland can't do a wiggins+bennett only for love. so i think there is more. so them giving TT instead of a 1st pick. LOve give them a big three, and TH give them an expiring backup big.

Phily gain a prospect sf, what they lack in their pack of prospect high picks. MCW-Martin-Bennett-Noels-Embiid.

Minny get 4 first picks, 2 propsect wing and a solid PF replacment. not bad for love. richardson + hayes, give them flexibility for their futur.

I would seek salmons to sign a vet min. good for our chemistry.
We give up much for two youngs candaians prospects. we shed more than 4M in the process. we lose two young prospects(ross + caboclo) and 3 1st picks.
we keep our capflexibility. expiring in summer 2015 : barea + williams + salmons + Hamilton + AJ + TT + Thuriaf (23.6M)
for all of that our core will be set for many years.
we will have to cut cherry of course, but i really think barea offer us a better 3rd pg, especially 4M expiring)

KL/GV/Barea
DD/Williams/Salmons
Wiggins/JJ/Hamilton
AJ/PP/TT
JV/Thuriaf/Bebe

2015: I expect we re-sign AJ and TT at the same rate (6M/yr):
KL/GV
DD
Wiggins/JJ
TT/PP
JV/AJ/Bebe

[zaku]

To be honest with you, Ross, Cabo plus 3 first round may still not be enough for wiggins...

[zaku]

If we waive Cherry and send Fields away, F Garcia May be a good choice for us, supporting experience and 3 points.

[Gurk]

Originally Posted by zaku

If we waive Cherry and send Fields away, F Garcia May be a good choice for us, supporting experience and 3 points.

He signed with Houston

[zaku]

just heard he hadnt

[Bankiz]

one big trade in three parts :
1.
Memphis get TH + Bruno +1st 2016 tor swap
toronto get Wiggins
minny get Ross + T.Allen + 1st tor 2015+2017 + 1st NYK 2016.

2.
Minny get Fields
Tor get Martin

3.
Memphis get Williams + a 2nd rd
Toronto get Prince

Memphis need backup bigs, especiallu at pg. and coboclo give them a prospect.
munny get better defensivly with two starter at the wing positions (ross and allen), they shed money with the martin deal and get 3 first picks in the process.


we get the closest thing to a super star that we could expect in the futur. we pay the price. i think martin ill be better for us than fields, but his salary will be a problem next season. but i think MU could work his magic at the deadline. Prince is an expiring, but his leader ship and experience are welcome for our young core.
it open a spot on the wing but i think that's a solid and balance team to go further.

KL/GV/Cherry
DD/Martin/?
Wiggins/Prince/Hamilton
AJ/PP/JJ
JV/Hayes/Bebe

i expect in that scenarii a backup lineup like this :
GV-Martin-Prince-JJ-PP, small but solid on defense and fire power outside.

[DanH]

Way too much to give up. All our picks for the next 3 years? Plus all our wing prospects outside of DD? And taking on crap contracts?

[omar36]

I don't why you think Wiggins is worth that much. We need to sometimes put his nationality aside and value talent and potential

[jeffb]

Originally Posted by omar36

I don't why you think Wiggins is worth that much. We need to sometimes put his nationality aside and value talent and potential

What are we giving up there that is better than Wiggins? Other than all the picks which is a little too much.

[omar36]

Originally Posted by jeffb

What are we giving up there that is better than Wiggins? Other than all the picks which is a little too much.

i like ross / bruno and wiggins has alot more potential then them but hes still a gamble. ggiving away those 2 plus 3 picks and what if he tunrs out to be just okay.

i rather see him play a couple of games before actually pushing hard for him.