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Old 05-18-2014, 09:52 AM   #5801 (permalink)
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i think 2nd rd are here right for that type of deal.

yeah perkins isn't a great offensive weapon, but he is a solid center whom can defend.
and if we let him come as a backup for JV he will be fine.
imagine a bench unit with GV/Carter/Carrol/PP/Perkins. it still is a better 5 than tsome team this season in the league.

also we will have a better huge cap relief in summer 2015 if you had Perkins and carroll at the list of expirings in 2015. like i said, so giving up 2 2nd round whom will be late second are not a very high price to pay for that. and we don't take a huge leap of faith, they are just here for one season. but they both fit our need : big men defender and a sf with size and defense and 3pt ability.

Salmons and TH are unguaranted, so atlanta can have some immediate cap relief.
also Horford is injur a lot the last 2-3yrs, so i don't think his value his higher than that. but i think they will prefer a big men prospect than a young sg.

maybe this will be better suited :

TOR : Perkins + Carroll
OKC : Horford
Atlanta get Salmons + TH + Adams + P Jones + 1st OKC 2014 + 1st Dallas 2014 + 2nd rd OKC 2014 (tor)+ 2015 2nd TOR

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Old 05-18-2014, 11:59 AM   #5802 (permalink)
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TOR : Perkins + Carroll
OKC : Horford
Atlanta get Salmons + TH + Adams + P Jones + 1st OKC 2014 + 1st Dallas 2014 + 2nd rd OKC 2014 (tor)+ 2015 2nd TOR
That's an awful deal for one of the best big men in the NBA.
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Old 05-18-2014, 12:15 PM   #5803 (permalink)
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i think 2nd rd are here right for that type of deal.

yeah perkins isn't a great offensive weapon, but he is a solid center whom can defend.
and if we let him come as a backup for JV he will be fine.

imagine a bench unit with GV/Carter/Carrol/PP/Perkins. it still is a better 5 than tsome team this season in the league.

Salmons and TH are unguaranted, so atlanta can have some immediate cap relief.
also Horford is injur a lot the last 2-3yrs, so i don't think his value his higher than that. but i think they will prefer a big men prospect than a young sg.

maybe this will be better suited :

TOR : Perkins + Carroll
OKC : Horford
Atlanta get Salmons + TH + Adams + P Jones + 1st OKC 2014 + 1st Dallas 2014 + 2nd rd OKC 2014 (tor)+ 2015 2nd TOR
The way Adams has been playing I can't see OKC trading away such a promising 7' 20 year old thats really coming on in the playoffs - which I think is an awesome sign for his future. Seems OKC has the same problem since they let Harden go, little to no production from the 2 allowing teams to pack the paint and with Horford even more so IMO - that and it's tough to go small without a solid 2. The ever fiscal Thunder would also tie up a lot of money in 4 players, 59 mil for Durant/Ibaka/Westbrook/Horford while only having Lamb at the 2 creating a bigger hole for them. Personally if I was OKC, with the emergence of Adams, I would draft a player like Markel Brown, keep developing Lamb and resign Thabo.

As for Atlanta, I don't think they need immediate cap relief, as it stands they'll have 48 tied up including Horford. When Al's back and Ayon healthy adding to Pero's emergence and Milsap and Scott, that front court is going to be tough for anyone to deal with for years - esp. when they play Horford and Pero together. If I'm Atlanta I keep the roster as is and draft a versatile player like Kyle Anderson for his ability to play 1-3 and esp his ability to create, which IMO is the only thing lacking in Atlanta when Teague goes to the bench. Honestly, if I wanted to improve the roster right away, I would look to trade Milsap first because they're so strong up front and Paul is expiring this coming year - that would be a very attractive trade chip for a number of teams. I'm a little envious of the Hawks position this coming season TBT.

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Old 05-19-2014, 08:52 PM   #5804 (permalink)
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Salmons, 2nd rounder

for

OJ Mayo (2yrs/16mil remaining on his contract)

Sign Carter and Mohammed to vet min's

Lowry / Vasquez / De Colo
Derozan / Mayo / Fields
Ross / Carter / Novak
Amir / Patterson / PsychoT
Valanciunas / Mohammed / Hayes


Not even that sure I like Mayo at this point, but I used to and have to think that last season he struggled due to his situation. He's a tradable asset and next summer he'll be going into his final year of his contract so if he doesn't work out after one season we could deal him, possibly at the 2015 draft.
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Old 05-21-2014, 04:35 PM   #5805 (permalink)
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NBA Trade Machine - ESPN Wolves get +Dallas 20141st (via OKC) + 2017 Memphis 2nd (via OKC), 2014 Thunder 2nd (via Tor)

If needed could be sweetened more for Wolves
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Old 05-21-2014, 04:56 PM   #5806 (permalink)
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Wolves would need a LOT more sweetener.
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Old 05-21-2014, 06:15 PM   #5807 (permalink)
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Wolves would need a LOT more sweetener.
I'd be willing to include our 2016 1st, I really like Jackson. OKC could probably include PJ3, or their own 1st 2014. I would really make sense for them, that team would be unstoppable.

Wolves would free up a lot of cap space get young talent and bunch of picks
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Old 05-21-2014, 08:18 PM   #5808 (permalink)
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Cle get T Young + 1st tor 2014 + 2nd rd OKC 2014 + 2nd rd NYK 2017
Philly get Salmons + 1st Tor 2015 + 2nd rd SAC 2014
tor get TT + Bennett.

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Old 06-04-2014, 11:45 AM   #5809 (permalink)
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Anyone think we can make a run at Parsons? IDK if Houston will want to resign him or go for a big FA like they always do.
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Ross, salmons and 20 pick for asik parsons and if we can manage to snag their 25th pick. Throw in the 37th to make it happen if needed
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Old 06-04-2014, 12:34 PM   #5811 (permalink)
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Anyone think we can make a run at Parsons? IDK if Houston will want to resign him or go for a big FA like they always do.
Both, probably.
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Old 06-05-2014, 09:12 PM   #5812 (permalink)
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1. before Draft
OKC get Hayes + Novak + 1st NYK 2016
Tor get Perkins + 21th 2014

2. Draft
at 20 : Ennis
at 21 : Grant
at 37 : Bachinski
at 59th draft an international that we can stach.

3. summer
re-sign : lowry + PP + Vasquez
offer a solid contract to Carter + Tucker
Cut salmons, stone and buycks


Lowry/Vasquez/Ennis
DD/Carter/Fields
Ross/Tucker/Grant
AJ/PP/TH
JV/Perkins/Bachinski
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1. before Draft
OKC get Hayes + Novak + 1st NYK 2016
Tor get Perkins + 21th 2014

2. Draft
at 20 : Ennis
at 21 : Grant
at 37 : Bachinski
at 59th draft an international that we can stach.

3. summer
re-sign : lowry + PP + Vasquez
offer a solid contract to Carter + Tucker
Cut salmons, stone and buycks


Lowry/Vasquez/Ennis
DD/Carter/Fields
Ross/Tucker/Grant
AJ/PP/TH
JV/Perkins/Bachinski
I like your trade for Perkins, although I'd be more interested in sending Salmons and Novak, saving them money and giving them a shooter, and not sending the NYK pick, even if we don't get the extra pick. The 2 pick combo in 2016 could be huge for any move we make for a superstar in the next few years.

If we do have two picks in the 20's, Ennis would be great, but I'd go for McDaniels or Capela or Porzingis if they are there. Bachynski should be taken at 59, not 37. At 37 there should be high upside guys like Tavares or Inglis.

Not a fan of making a move for Carter or Tucker (Tucker is unrealistic, Carter is a bad idea). Frankly, if we get our backup C in a trade for Salmons, then I'm happy to rely on the draft to fill the need for a solid 3. Between the 20th and 37th pick I hope to be able to grab McDaniels, Inglis or Daniels, all of whom can come in and defend the 3.
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1. before Draft
OKC get Hayes + Novak + 1st NYK 2016
Tor get Perkins + 21th 2014

2. Draft
at 20 : Ennis
at 21 : Grant
at 37 : Bachinski
at 59th draft an international that we can stach.

3. summer
re-sign : lowry + PP + Vasquez
offer a solid contract to Carter + Tucker
Cut salmons, stone and buycks


Lowry/Vasquez/Ennis
DD/Carter/Fields
Ross/Tucker/Grant
AJ/PP/TH
JV/Perkins/Bachinski
That's funny, I was thinking of a similar trade for Perkins to get the 21st.
I'm not sure of the public perception of Hayes vs Perkins. They save a couple million both with two year term.
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I like your trade for Perkins, although I'd be more interested in sending Salmons and Novak, saving them money and giving them a shooter, and not sending the NYK pick, even if we don't get the extra pick. The 2 pick combo in 2016 could be huge for any move we make for a superstar in the next few years.

If we do have two picks in the 20's, Ennis would be great, but I'd go for McDaniels or Capela or Porzingis if they are there. Bachynski should be taken at 59, not 37. At 37 there should be high upside guys like Tavares or Inglis.

Not a fan of making a move for Carter or Tucker (Tucker is unrealistic, Carter is a bad idea). Frankly, if we get our backup C in a trade for Salmons, then I'm happy to rely on the draft to fill the need for a solid 3. Between the 20th and 37th pick I hope to be able to grab McDaniels, Inglis or Daniels, all of whom can come in and defend the 3.
I like that, don't know if they would do that, but it's definitely a reasonable trade for but sides
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Certainly far fetched but would anyone be interested in Boozer/16th for Salmons/Hansbrough/Buycks/Stone?
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Certainly far fetched but would anyone be interested in Boozer/16th for Salmons/Hansbrough/Buycks/Stone?
I'd do that in a heartbeat tbh. I serviceable PF with a massive expiring contract plus a #16 pick? We could probably then move #16/#20 and move in the #10-12 range.

Could you imagine

Boozer, Lavine

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TH, Salmons, Buycks, stone


I wish

Lowry - Vasquez - Nando
Derozan - Lavine - Fields
Ross - Vet - Novak
Boozer - Amir - Patterson
JoVal - Vet - Hayes

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I'd do that in a heartbeat tbh. I serviceable PF with a massive expiring contract plus a #16 pick? We could probably then move #16/#20 and move in the #10-12 range.

Could you imagine

Boozer, Lavine

for

TH, Salmons, Buycks, stone


I wish

Lowry - Vasquez - Nando
Derozan - Lavine - Fields
Ross - Vet - Novak
Boozer - Amir - Patterson
JoVal - Vet - Hayes
Jeff , I think you are suffering from summer NBA withdrawal ...an extra $6 million in salary for the booze...free agentville is the way to go ... may be Salmons gets used like a spare tire and we focus on someone in center position who can help.
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Jeff , I think you are suffering from summer NBA withdrawal ...an extra $6 million in salary for the booze...free agentville is the way to go ... may be Salmons gets used like a spare tire and we focus on someone in center position who can help.
Next summer we'd have 30mil in capspace once Boozer comes off the books. How does that free agentville sound? Boozer is a means to an end, and he helps in the short term, adding #16 is a big bonus. Nothing much will get added this summer at this point, and with 2015 being the time we're looking to make bigger moves this helps now and then.

Doesn't matter because there is absolutely no way this would happen anyway.
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Jeff , I think you are suffering from summer NBA withdrawal ...an extra $6 million in salary for the booze...free agentville is the way to go ... may be Salmons gets used like a spare tire and we focus on someone in center position who can help.
What's wrong with a little extra salary that comes off the books on 2015 if it can net the Raps an excellent player or two? Lavine would be cool or maybe Payton and Payne or Capela?

Just musing but why not?
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