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Old 05-07-2014, 09:58 AM   #5741 (permalink)
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little trades on draft night to get all our need for cheap :


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PHX get 1st tor 2014 + Novak
tor get G. Green

2.
Orlando get 2nd rd Sac 2014 + stone
tor get O'quinn

2. 10th july
Dallas get tpe (gay) + 2nd rd NYK 2017
tor get Carter (S&T : 12M/3yrs - unguaranted the second and third yr)

3. sign James Johnson with the min

KL/GV/De Colo
DD/VC/Fields
Green/TR/JJ
AJ/PP/TH
JV/O'quinn/Hayes
What is the point of suggesting trades that assume our trading partners are recent escapee's from the funny farm?
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What is the point of suggesting trades that assume our trading partners are recent escapee's from the funny farm?
what do you mean ?
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Old 05-07-2014, 10:28 AM   #5743 (permalink)
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what do you mean ?
Suggesting trades that assumes the other side has lost their mind doesn't generate good discussion.

Phoenix has 4 first rounders this year. Do you seriously think our first rounder is of any interest to them in return for one of their best young pieces?

Kyle O'quinn is their best young big off the bench. They don't need another 2nd round pick and a back-up point guard whose the back-up to our back up to our 3rd point guard.

A sign and trade for VC for 3 years for 12 mill, with the last 2 TO's? If we wanted him ( and we don't) he could be had for 1 year @ 3 mill.
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Trade idea with HOU. HOU wants to clear Asik and Lin from their cap - if they drop them, they can decline Parsons' option, let him go to restricted free agency, use their cap space to sign a big name player (they're close to the cap now, and could clear 16M by dropping the two, as well as more like 30M in actual cost), and then re-up Parsons for whatever he wants.

So, since this coming season is going to be a bit of a holding pattern anyway, might as well help them out.

At the draft...
HOU sends:
Asik (8.4M), Lin (8.4M), 1st HOU 2014 [total 17.3M]

TOR sends:
Salmons (7.6M), Hansbrough (3.2M), Novak (3.75M) [total 14.6M]

TOR is close to the tax, so they can receive back their outgoing salary plus 25%, plus 100k.

So the deal works financially.

The effects:

HOU: Shed 16.7M in guaranteed salary this summer, take on only 5.75M in guaranteed salary. That's 11.0M in salary cap savings, putting them 10.9M below the cap after extending Parsons his QO. Meanwhile, Novak's the sort of guy that would fit great on that team. Also saves them close to 25M in actual salary costs.

TOR: The opposite - take on 16.7M in guaranteed salary, while clearing Novak from the 2015 cap. That leaves TOR with 54.0M committed to 8 players, 1 draft pick, with 3 or 4 key signings to come. That means 20M before hitting the tax. Should be enough to get Vasquez, Patterson and Lowry re-signed. Can always go into the tax if need be. Very costly move in terms of actual dollars, but this is the sort of thing that deep-pocketed owners like MLSE can pull off that a lot of other teams can't.

Means no free agency moves, of course. Improvement on the wing would have to come from our two 1st rounders (possibly packaged for a move upwards?). PG would be stacked (you'd have to think a Lin trade would follow), and we'd have our backup C.

In the meantime, the Raps have 36M in expiring contracts going into next season between Asik, Lin, Amir, Fields and Hayes, for a potential blockbuster at the deadline. And if no move is made, even after re-upping Lowry, Patterson, Vasquez, they are looking at 20+ M in cap space in 2015.
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Trade idea with HOU. HOU wants to clear Asik and Lin from their cap - if they drop them, they can decline Parsons' option, let him go to restricted free agency, use their cap space to sign a big name player (they're close to the cap now, and could clear 16M by dropping the two, as well as more like 30M in actual cost), and then re-up Parsons for whatever he wants.

So, since this coming season is going to be a bit of a holding pattern anyway, might as well help them out.

At the draft...
HOU sends:
Asik (8.4M), Lin (8.4M), 1st HOU 2014 [total 17.3M]

TOR sends:
Salmons (7.6M), Hansbrough (3.2M), Novak (3.75M) [total 14.6M]

TOR is close to the tax, so they can receive back their outgoing salary plus 25%, plus 100k.

So the deal works financially.

The effects:

HOU: Shed 16.7M in guaranteed salary this summer, take on only 5.75M in guaranteed salary. That's 11.0M in salary cap savings, putting them 10.9M below the cap after extending Parsons his QO. Meanwhile, Novak's the sort of guy that would fit great on that team. Also saves them close to 25M in actual salary costs.

TOR: The opposite - take on 16.7M in guaranteed salary, while clearing Novak from the 2015 cap. That leaves TOR with 54.0M committed to 8 players, 1 draft pick, with 3 or 4 key signings to come. That means 20M before hitting the tax. Should be enough to get Vasquez, Patterson and Lowry re-signed. Can always go into the tax if need be. Very costly move in terms of actual dollars, but this is the sort of thing that deep-pocketed owners like MLSE can pull off that a lot of other teams can't.

Means no free agency moves, of course. Improvement on the wing would have to come from our two 1st rounders (possibly packaged for a move upwards?). PG would be stacked (you'd have to think a Lin trade would follow), and we'd have our backup C.

In the meantime, the Raps have 36M in expiring contracts going into next season between Asik, Lin, Amir, Fields and Hayes, for a potential blockbuster at the deadline. And if no move is made, even after re-upping Lowry, Patterson, Vasquez, they are looking at 20+ M in cap space in 2015.
you beat me by an hour and a half!

and mine was just gonna be "somehow get involved in the rockets trying to clear space stakes."

great scenario Dan.
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:35 PM   #5746 (permalink)
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I won't pretend to understand all the ins and outs of the cap...but Dan's suggestion looks pretty nice.

It brings back our core, improves our depth up front and leaves flexibility for signings in 2015. Someone get Masai on the phone.
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Trade idea with HOU. HOU wants to clear Asik and Lin from their cap - if they drop them, they can decline Parsons' option, let him go to restricted free agency, use their cap space to sign a big name player (they're close to the cap now, and could clear 16M by dropping the two, as well as more like 30M in actual cost), and then re-up Parsons for whatever he wants.

So, since this coming season is going to be a bit of a holding pattern anyway, might as well help them out.

At the draft...
HOU sends:
Asik (8.4M), Lin (8.4M), 1st HOU 2014 [total 17.3M]

TOR sends:
Salmons (7.6M), Hansbrough (3.2M), Novak (3.75M) [total 14.6M]

TOR is close to the tax, so they can receive back their outgoing salary plus 25%, plus 100k.

So the deal works financially.

The effects:

HOU: Shed 16.7M in guaranteed salary this summer, take on only 5.75M in guaranteed salary. That's 11.0M in salary cap savings, putting them 10.9M below the cap after extending Parsons his QO. Meanwhile, Novak's the sort of guy that would fit great on that team. Also saves them close to 25M in actual salary costs.

TOR: The opposite - take on 16.7M in guaranteed salary, while clearing Novak from the 2015 cap. That leaves TOR with 54.0M committed to 8 players, 1 draft pick, with 3 or 4 key signings to come. That means 20M before hitting the tax. Should be enough to get Vasquez, Patterson and Lowry re-signed. Can always go into the tax if need be. Very costly move in terms of actual dollars, but this is the sort of thing that deep-pocketed owners like MLSE can pull off that a lot of other teams can't.

Means no free agency moves, of course. Improvement on the wing would have to come from our two 1st rounders (possibly packaged for a move upwards?). PG would be stacked (you'd have to think a Lin trade would follow), and we'd have our backup C.

In the meantime, the Raps have 36M in expiring contracts going into next season between Asik, Lin, Amir, Fields and Hayes, for a potential blockbuster at the deadline. And if no move is made, even after re-upping Lowry, Patterson, Vasquez, they are looking at 20+ M in cap space in 2015.
Scary move. If they clear that cap space they'd be after Lowry like a dog on a bone. And they would fit all of Lowry's criteria. We shouldn't help them a write our epitaph.
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Scary move. If they clear that cap space they'd be after Lowry like a dog on a bone. And they would fit all of Lowry's criteria. We shouldn't help them a write our epitaph.
Good luck getting Lowry back in a room with McHale.
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Good luck getting Lowry back in a room with McHale.
I thought that a while back, but someone posted evidence to the opposite and I can't find it right now, but I wouldn't like to enable the unthinkable become thinkable. Lowry has grown up a lot since those days. Don't want to take the chance. Still think our biggest competition for Lowry will be HOU and Indy.
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So to clear up capspace they would give up a pick, Asik (who they were asking 2 picks for) and Lin? Hansborough and Novak are basically fillers in this trade
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So to clear up capspace they would give up a pick, Asik (who they were asking 2 picks for) and Lin? Hansborough and Novak are basically fillers in this trade
To clear cap space and save over 20 million real dollars, and ensure Parsons stays on long term (waiting the year makes him an unrestricted free agent).

And they were asking for 2 picks, and getting laughed off the phone. Asik and Lin each make 15M next year. EACH. That's a lot of money.
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I want nothing to do with Lin and their are better free agent C's on the market than the highly over paid Asik. I'd pass on that deal.
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To clear cap space and save over 20 million real dollars, and ensure Parsons stays on long term (waiting the year makes him an unrestricted free agent).

And they were asking for 2 picks, and getting laughed off the phone. Asik and Lin each make 15M next year. EACH. That's a lot of money.
yea well the cap hit is 8,374,646 for Asik and 8,374,646 for Lin so it's really not that bad.

And if they really want to go under they could shop one of them without giving away any picks, imo they could get one pick for Asik
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Trade idea with HOU. HOU wants to clear Asik and Lin from their cap - if they drop them, they can decline Parsons' option, let him go to restricted free agency, use their cap space to sign a big name player (they're close to the cap now, and could clear 16M by dropping the two, as well as more like 30M in actual cost), and then re-up Parsons for whatever he wants.

So, since this coming season is going to be a bit of a holding pattern anyway, might as well help them out.

At the draft...
HOU sends:
Asik (8.4M), Lin (8.4M), 1st HOU 2014 [total 17.3M]

TOR sends:
Salmons (7.6M), Hansbrough (3.2M), Novak (3.75M) [total 14.6M]

TOR is close to the tax, so they can receive back their outgoing salary plus 25%, plus 100k.

So the deal works financially.

The effects:

HOU: Shed 16.7M in guaranteed salary this summer, take on only 5.75M in guaranteed salary. That's 11.0M in salary cap savings, putting them 10.9M below the cap after extending Parsons his QO. Meanwhile, Novak's the sort of guy that would fit great on that team. Also saves them close to 25M in actual salary costs.

TOR: The opposite - take on 16.7M in guaranteed salary, while clearing Novak from the 2015 cap. That leaves TOR with 54.0M committed to 8 players, 1 draft pick, with 3 or 4 key signings to come. That means 20M before hitting the tax. Should be enough to get Vasquez, Patterson and Lowry re-signed. Can always go into the tax if need be. Very costly move in terms of actual dollars, but this is the sort of thing that deep-pocketed owners like MLSE can pull off that a lot of other teams can't.

Means no free agency moves, of course. Improvement on the wing would have to come from our two 1st rounders (possibly packaged for a move upwards?). PG would be stacked (you'd have to think a Lin trade would follow), and we'd have our backup C.

In the meantime, the Raps have 36M in expiring contracts going into next season between Asik, Lin, Amir, Fields and Hayes, for a potential blockbuster at the deadline. And if no move is made, even after re-upping Lowry, Patterson, Vasquez, they are looking at 20+ M in cap space in 2015.
Don't like that trade one bit. Asik could not handle playing behind D12 let alone JV. He'd want the starting job, no way that happens, so goodbye chemistry. No way Lin is starting over KL and who would want him in a trade? Plus, what kind of message does that send to Lowry and/or Vasquez?

I'm sorry, I don't see how that makes any sense for us.
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Trade idea with HOU. HOU wants to clear Asik and Lin from their cap - if they drop them, they can decline Parsons' option, let him go to restricted free agency, use their cap space to sign a big name player (they're close to the cap now, and could clear 16M by dropping the two, as well as more like 30M in actual cost), and then re-up Parsons for whatever he wants.

So, since this coming season is going to be a bit of a holding pattern anyway, might as well help them out.

At the draft...
HOU sends:
Asik (8.4M), Lin (8.4M), 1st HOU 2014 [total 17.3M]

TOR sends:
Salmons (7.6M), Hansbrough (3.2M), Novak (3.75M) [total 14.6M]

TOR is close to the tax, so they can receive back their outgoing salary plus 25%, plus 100k.

So the deal works financially.

The effects:

HOU: Shed 16.7M in guaranteed salary this summer, take on only 5.75M in guaranteed salary. That's 11.0M in salary cap savings, putting them 10.9M below the cap after extending Parsons his QO. Meanwhile, Novak's the sort of guy that would fit great on that team. Also saves them close to 25M in actual salary costs.

TOR: The opposite - take on 16.7M in guaranteed salary, while clearing Novak from the 2015 cap. That leaves TOR with 54.0M committed to 8 players, 1 draft pick, with 3 or 4 key signings to come. That means 20M before hitting the tax. Should be enough to get Vasquez, Patterson and Lowry re-signed. Can always go into the tax if need be. Very costly move in terms of actual dollars, but this is the sort of thing that deep-pocketed owners like MLSE can pull off that a lot of other teams can't.

Means no free agency moves, of course. Improvement on the wing would have to come from our two 1st rounders (possibly packaged for a move upwards?). PG would be stacked (you'd have to think a Lin trade would follow), and we'd have our backup C.

In the meantime, the Raps have 36M in expiring contracts going into next season between Asik, Lin, Amir, Fields and Hayes, for a potential blockbuster at the deadline. And if no move is made, even after re-upping Lowry, Patterson, Vasquez, they are looking at 20+ M in cap space in 2015.
They can keep their 1st IMO as its enough for us. Flip Lin for a SF. Lets look for that trade

One problem... can't do this until we sign lowry or they would to replace lin!

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Interesting critiques all around, and I think most of them very valid. How about this?

Bring LAL into the fold. They want to build a contender for Kobe, and fast, but also want to be able to make an offer on a superstar in 2015/2016. Nash is doing nothing for them, except eating up 10M in cap space this summer.

So:

HOU out:
Lin (8.4M)
HOU in:
Salmons (7.6M)

LAL out:
Nash (9.3M), 1st LAL 2015 (top 10 protected, trade consummated after Lakers pick at draft) LAL in:
Lin (8.4M)

TOR out:
Salmons (7.6M)
TOR in:
Nash (9.3M), LAL 1st 2015

Lakers clear 1M in cap space and get a starting PG for this year at the cost of a protected future pick and cash (which I hear they use as toilet paper in LA), while leaving their 2015 cap wide open.

Houston clears 7.4M in cap room this summer, and 14M in cash costs, without giving up assets besides Lin (who, with that salary, may not be considered an asset).

TOR takes on Nash's salary for the year, and loses the option of waiving Salmons for flexibility, adds a future 1st.

Works for Asik subbed in for Lin as well, if you think HOU/LAL would be more interested in that.
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danh, i don't think HOU and LAL need us in that trade. after july 10th, LAL can just offer houston a tpe (they have capspace) and their 1st 2015.
they can even take LIn and Asik and sign a second tier star at 10M (deng)
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danh, i don't think HOU and LAL need us in that trade. after july 10th, LAL can just offer houston a tpe (they have capspace) and their 1st 2015.
they can even take LIn and Asik and sign a second tier star at 10M (deng)
Yeah, but LAL would not do it. They'd still have Nash eating up 10M in cap space. And HOU would never take Nash back.
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Actually, LAL cannot even trade their 2015 pick - I misremembered the protections on their picks and it's the 2014 pick they can trade (as soon as they've made it), not the 2015 pick. So it's not a realistic scenario anyway.
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1. draft night :
ORL get Novak + 1st tor 2014 + 2nd OKC 2014
Tor get Harkless + O'Quinn


2.10th july
Atlanta get Green + Patterson (S&T) + 1st Tor 2015 + a 2nd rd
Boston get Salmons + 1st NYK 2016
Toronto get Horford

3. sign VC and Tucker (Or JJ)

Lowry/Vasquez/De Colo
DD/VC/Fields
Ross/Tucker/Harkless(/JJ)
Horford/Amir/TH
JV/O'Quinn/Hayes
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