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Old 01-29-2014, 02:42 PM   #5601 (permalink)
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OKC gets Good mobile big and a shooter while getting rid of Perkins contract

We get a backup center, a good wing and a pick. Our team doesn't get much worse (arguably better), Perkins expires in 2015 summer and we get rid of Novak, giving us Money to make splash in 2015 FA.
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Old 01-29-2014, 03:23 PM   #5602 (permalink)
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1) Raptors trade Amir Johnson for Anthony Bennet.

I really like Amir and what he brings to the team, but I would be willing to trade him to take a chance on Anthony Bennet. He is a young, controlable player, with upside. He could be a bust, but it's too early to tell.


2) Raptors trade Tyler Hansbrough for 2 second round draft picks or 1 high second round draft pick.


I would do this because we could give Hayes his minutes for the remainder of the season (make use of his 6 million salary), save 1 million on a buyout next year (if we did), and the availability of cheap back up PF/C's is superfluous in the NBA.
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Why are people all of a sudden wanting to trade TH?
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because he is a trade chip, and at least he as a value for a team in need of a solid big men for a backup.
and he has a cheap salary for what he can produce.

I prefer trading TH than Amir. and PP as a solid stretch 4 is more a rare good commodity !
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because he is a trade chip, and at least he as a value for a team in need of a solid big men for a backup.
and he has a cheap salary for what he can produce.

I prefer trading TH than Amir. and PP as a solid stretch 4 is more a rare good commodity !
I'd trade Amir first tbh. TH is a lot cheaper and Amir has stunk this season almost as bad as two seasons ago. Neither should be a starter, therefore i'd keep the cheaper one, plus Amir could get us more imo. I love Amir and his love of the city, but how much will he be asking for in a year?
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I'd trade Amir first tbh. TH is a lot cheaper and Amir has stunk this season almost as bad as two seasons ago. Neither should be a starter, therefore i'd keep the cheaper one, plus Amir could get us more imo. I love Amir and his love of the city, but how much will he be asking for in a year?
BC initially overpaid for him at the time, but Amir lived up to his contract. I wouldn't be surprised if his agent asked for Taj gibson type money, which I certainly wouldn't do. I'd rather keep Patterson who will come a lot cheaper as a Rfa. Amir has value, I would offer him to Cleveland for bennet. If the cavs don't want Amir, try to orchestrate a 3 team trade. Maybe asik to cavs, Amir to Houston, bennet to toronto. Add fillers for salary purposes.
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PHX get DD + Amir + Novak
TOR get Okafor + Green + Tucker + 1st Minny 2014 (Protected 13) + 1st Wash 2014 (Protected 12) + 1st LAL 2015

the idea is that PHX is buying, and they get a vet big with a great motor whom run the floor. DD is an all star (yeah) and give them another scoring punch.

Raps get 3 1st round. so we can continue to rebiud. Green to start instead of DD will give us more spacing, and he is a better defenser. tucker is like Salmons a solid force off the bench. OKafor give us a big plus flexibility.


Lowry/Vasquez
TR/Salmons
Green/Tucker
PP/TH
JV/Hayes

and we will have 3 first pick (potentially) this draft, and 2 for each of the next 2 draft.
also Okafor, Lowry, PP, Vasquez are all expiring. that should open some capsapce for MU to biuld a better team.

ps: i want to say, it will be a heartbreak to me to give ride of amir and DD, but that could be a turning point.
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PHX get DD + Amir + Novak
TOR get Okafor + Green + Tucker + 1st Minny 2014 (Protected 13) + 1st Wash 2014 (Protected 12) + 1st LAL 2015

the idea is that PHX is buying, and they get a vet big with a great motor whom run the floor. DD is an all star (yeah) and give them another scoring punch.

Raps get 3 1st round. so we can continue to rebiud. Green to start instead of DD will give us more spacing, and he is a better defenser. tucker is like Salmons a solid force off the bench. OKafor give us a big plus flexibility.


Lowry/Vasquez
TR/Salmons
Green/Tucker
PP/TH
JV/Hayes

and we will have 3 first pick (potentially) this draft, and 2 for each of the next 2 draft.
also Okafor, Lowry, PP, Vasquez are all expiring. that should open some capsapce for MU to biuld a better team.

ps: i want to say, it will be a heartbreak to me to give ride of amir and DD, but that could be a turning point.
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2 things have to happen/not happen for this trade scenario to be considered.

1.) Pacers not sign Andrew Bynum
2.) Ujiri become not confident in re-signing Lowry
*If necessary
Raptors get: Jackson(OKC), Mahinmi (INDY)
Pacers get: Lowry(TOR), Perkins(OKC)
Thunder get: Hill(INDY), Novak(TOR),*2014 2nd(TOR)

Raps downgrade at PG but get a good young prospect at the position. Add size with Mahinmi that could help in case of an injury to JV.

Pacers get a legit AS caliber PG who will help with their championship push. Perkins is no longer a legit starter but can bring toughness and championship experience off the bench.

Thunder get a solid back up who's capable of starting until Westbrook returns. Also Hill could allow Russell to occasionally play SG. Novak could help spread the floor if they decide to play small ball.


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PHX get DD + Amir + Novak
TOR get Okafor + Green + Tucker + 1st Minny 2014 (Protected 13) + 1st Wash 2014 (Protected 12) + 1st LAL 2015

the idea is that PHX is buying, and they get a vet big with a great motor whom run the floor. DD is an all star (yeah) and give them another scoring punch.

Raps get 3 1st round. so we can continue to rebiud. Green to start instead of DD will give us more spacing, and he is a better defenser. tucker is like Salmons a solid force off the bench. OKafor give us a big plus flexibility.


Lowry/Vasquez
TR/Salmons
Green/Tucker
PP/TH
JV/Hayes

and we will have 3 first pick (potentially) this draft, and 2 for each of the next 2 draft.
also Okafor, Lowry, PP, Vasquez are all expiring. that should open some capsapce for MU to biuld a better team.

ps: i want to say, it will be a heartbreak to me to give ride of amir and DD, but that could be a turning point.
I honestly can't tell if you are being serious or not. Please explain why the Suns would want to give up 3 1st round picks for DD+Amir +Novak. I'm only joking when I say this, so don't take offense, but you must be from another world
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i simply put myself in MU shoes... with the ability to create trade to get picks.
frankly do you think someone will get DD for less than capspace + youngster + 2 1st pick ?
if so i think you are from another world.
Amir + Novak for a futur 1st is possible. maybe instead of the 1st LA 2015 we should get indy 1st 2014. LOL !
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1) Raptors trade Amir Johnson for Anthony Bennet.

I really like Amir and what he brings to the team, but I would be willing to trade him to take a chance on Anthony Bennet. He is a young, controlable player, with upside. He could be a bust, but it's too early to tell.


2) Raptors trade Tyler Hansbrough for 2 second round draft picks or 1 high second round draft pick.


I would do this because we could give Hayes his minutes for the remainder of the season (make use of his 6 million salary), save 1 million on a buyout next year (if we did), and the availability of cheap back up PF/C's is superfluous in the NBA.
1) Sure Bennett has a controllable contract and is young, but what makes you think he would be a good player for this team? The chemistry here is the best that it's been since we won the division back in 2007. Amir comes to play hard ever night and is the definition of team player/knowing your role. I will agree that we can't say Bennett is a bust, but if he couldn't win a starting job, let alone a bench role from players 6-10 with a shitty Cavs team, what makes you think he will excel here? The guy was given opportunities very early in the season and couldn't score for a load of games, so there coaches/management gave him nightly DNP's. Personally, I wouldn't trade Amir for Bennett ever, but maybe I over value our talent too much.

2) Why would you trade TH? Two things, first Hayes is a 6'6 PF/C that can't score to save his life and is undersized in a big way. TH is 6'9 and can at least run a pick and roll or hit a jumper from 15ft in. Both guys can play defense and love to rebound so what makes TH expendable? Hayes is going to make just under 6 mil next season while TH is going to make 3.3 mil. To me it makes no sense in moving TH over CH. We could look at this 2 ways, we would have Fields 8.5 mil, Hayes 6 mil, TH 3.3 mil and possibly Salmons 7 mil (which we should pick up if we don't acquire a starting SF in the off-season or draft) that are all expiring that we could ask teams that have a player on a bad 2yr contract if they would like to take our expiring table scraps for a 1st rounder or two with the garbage player's contract. Hell, we might be able to luck into trading all those expiring contracts for a solid starting SF or even PF if we move Amir to the 6th/7th man role. If we don't take that route then don't move anything? I'm sure people wouldn't want to do this but by keeping the team in tack for 1 more season, the chemistry will continue to grow and at season's end we would have a boat load of cap to sign a major free agent or two.

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i simply put myself in MU shoes... with the ability to create trade to get picks.
frankly do you think someone will get DD for less than capspace + youngster + 2 1st pick ?
if so i think you are from another world.
Amir + Novak for a futur 1st is possible. maybe instead of the 1st LA 2015 we should get indy 1st 2014. LOL !
I agree that with the way DD is playing now you probably wouldn't be able to get DD for less than capspace + youngster + 2 1st picks, but suggesting that we would get 2 1st rounders that are protected to me is a little extreme. I could understand maybe a 1st rounder this season and 1 in 2015 or 2016.

Also, Amir + Novak for a future 1st would not happen for 2 reasons. First, I don't think many teams want to take on Novak's contract. Sure he is not getting paid a ton of money, but having all those years could hurt a teams flexibility.

Secondly, we couldn't even get a 1st rounder for Lowry in this years draft and he is an expiring, so what makes you think teams would basically give up a 1st rounder for Amir who would only be of service to them for a 1 1/2 years and is not playing no where near the level that Lowry is playing at?
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I agree that with the way DD is playing now you probably wouldn't be able to get DD for less than capspace + youngster + 2 1st picks, but suggesting that we would get 2 1st rounders that are protected to me is a little extreme. I could understand maybe a 1st rounder this season and 1 in 2015 or 2016.

Also, Amir + Novak for a future 1st would not happen for 2 reasons. First, I don't think many teams want to take on Novak's contract. Sure he is not getting paid a ton of money, but having all those years could hurt a teams flexibility.

Secondly, we couldn't even get a 1st rounder for Lowry in this years draft and he is an expiring, so what makes you think teams would basically give up a 1st rounder for Amir who would only be of service to them for a 1 1/2 years and is not playing no where near the level that Lowry is playing at?
amir has a reputation of a loyal player. he wouldnot be a rental if the team envisage to keep him.
you could exchange :

for DD = Green + 1st Wash 2014 + 1st LAL 2015 (+ Okafor)
for Amir + Novak = tucker + 1st Minny 2014

Minny have almost no chance to get to the playoffs, so i think we will not have the pick this year. but like a isaid, PHX could give us a late 1st, like the INdy 1st 2014.

so if i resume, for amir + DD + Novak we get 2 conditionnal 1st and a futur 1st, capspace (okafor, tucker) and a young wing.
i don't think that trade is unbalance for either team.

Suns get more experience guys to lead their young core.
we will not lose much on the wing but for sur Amir will be a huge lose for us.
that's said, the 31st pick and 15M expiring would remodele this team with MU leadership.
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also, i see green as a player in the "trempe" of TR. versatile at will. can be lockout defender (he proves it against Pgeorge this week), can shoot the 3, and he is an incrideble athlete. also, we will have cap space to sign both and JV to a good contract in the summer of 2015 with our capspace.

and i will reitere the fact, i'm a huge fan of DD and Amir.
i propose this because even a huge fan can see the flawq and the problem with biuldinf a team around both.
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1) Sure Bennett has a controllable contract and is young, but what makes you think he would be a good player for this team? The chemistry here is the best that it's been since we won the division back in 2007. Amir comes to play hard ever night and is the definition of team player/knowing your role. I will agree that we can't say Bennett is a bust, but if he couldn't win a starting job, let alone a bench role from players 6-10 with a shitty Cavs team, what makes you think he will excel here? The guy was given opportunities very early in the season and couldn't score for a load of games, so there coaches/management gave him nightly DNP's. Personally, I wouldn't trade Amir for Bennett ever, but maybe I over value our talent too much.

2) Why would you trade TH? Two things, first Hayes is a 6'6 PF/C that can't score to save his life and is undersized in a big way. TH is 6'9 and can at least run a pick and roll or hit a jumper from 15ft in. Both guys can play defense and love to rebound so what makes TH expendable? Hayes is going to make just under 6 mil next season while TH is going to make 3.3 mil. To me it makes no sense in moving TH over CH. We could look at this 2 ways, we would have Fields 8.5 mil, Hayes 6 mil, TH 3.3 mil and possibly Salmons 7 mil (which we should pick up if we don't acquire a starting SF in the off-season or draft) that are all expiring that we could ask teams that have a player on a bad 2yr contract if they would like to take our expiring table scraps for a 1st rounder or two with the garbage player's contract. Hell, we might be able to luck into trading all those expiring contracts for a solid starting SF or even PF if we move Amir to the 6th/7th man role. If we don't take that route then don't move anything? I'm sure people wouldn't want to do this but by keeping the team in tack for 1 more season, the chemistry will continue to grow and at season's end we would have a boat load of cap to sign a major free agent or two.
The chemistry here is going well after the Rudy Gay trade, but we have to be real with ourselves. More than half of the teams in the East are playing to tank. This season isnít a great litmus test as to how good we actually are. So letís say we win the Atlantic, thereís no way we get past the second round and we could conceivably get knocked out first round if we run into the bulls/nets/hawks. I really like Amirís game and what he brings to the team, plays defense doesnít take a lot of shots, shoots for high percentage list goes on. However, we canít ignore the fact that he will be a UFA after next season and will probably most likely demand something close to Taj Gibson type money with a starting salary of 9 million dollars per year which Iím not prepared to pay him. We can be proactive and trade him now, where we get the most value back. I think when looking at Bennet, thereís no doubt that I acknowledge the risk of a potential bust, but he has a high ceiling and I do see the high reward there as well. He struggled starting out the season and hasnít really been able to play through those struggles like some of his predecessors Ė Irving, Waiters, etc. I think the Cavs have to shoulder some of the blame as well in terms of not trying to at least send him to the D league to keep him conditioned and re-build his confidence. I would also transition him to the 4. Itís way too premature to write him off as a bust in the NBA. All things considered, I think itís a fair trade for both teams.

Obviously I would trade the undersized Hayes over TH any day, but guess what? No one will touch that nasty, atrocious contract. Itís out of the picture, so no point of me putting his name out there, unless itís part of some Lowry trade. You seriously want to pick up Salmons 7 million dollar option next year? That would be absurd and is out of the question. Hansbrough is more attractive for teams. He has a team option next year for a buyout at 1 million dollars. I could see a team giving up a high second round pick 30-36 or even 2 second rounders for him. TH is not a make or break player for this team and we are nowhere near competing for a championship. Iíd still like to collect picks as much as possible. By getting rid of TH, it does give us some cap flexibility in that we have at worst 1 million to 3 million in space freed up for the summer. Itís nice heading into the summer with a little more wiggle room. Who knows what Masai might be doing. We could potentially be in the running for Luol Deng in the offseason. The Jazz absorbed Jeffersonís 11 million dollar contract for a 1st rounder and 1 second rounder. We could potentially trade away Fields/Hayes (12+ million), our 2016 NYK first, and 2 second rounders (we acquire from Hansbrough trade), for capspace, if Luol Deng agrees to sign with us. There will probably be a team willing to do that, given that the value of 1st rounders is fairly high. Stephenson, Gasol, thereís still other players out there. TH wonít be the difference as to whether or not we go deep into the playoffs this season. Heís a decent big, but if I could get 2 second rounders for him, with the freed up space in the summer, Iíll take it. Worst case, if weíre willing to spend that same amount of money on a back up big (THís 3 million), there will be an abundance of cheap pf/c for us to choose from.
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The chemistry here is going well after the Rudy Gay trade, but we have to be real with ourselves. More than half of the teams in the East are playing to tank. This season isnít a great litmus test as to how good we actually are. So letís say we win the Atlantic, thereís no way we get past the second round and we could conceivably get knocked out first round if we run into the bulls/nets/hawks. I really like Amirís game and what he brings to the team, plays defense doesnít take a lot of shots, shoots for high percentage list goes on. However, we canít ignore the fact that he will be a UFA after next season and will probably most likely demand something close to Taj Gibson type money with a starting salary of 9 million dollars per year which Iím not prepared to pay him. We can be proactive and trade him now, where we get the most value back. I think when looking at Bennet, thereís no doubt that I acknowledge the risk of a potential bust, but he has a high ceiling and I do see the high reward there as well. He struggled starting out the season and hasnít really been able to play through those struggles like some of his predecessors Ė Irving, Waiters, etc. I think the Cavs have to shoulder some of the blame as well in terms of not trying to at least send him to the D league to keep him conditioned and re-build his confidence. I would also transition him to the 4. Itís way too premature to write him off as a bust in the NBA. All things considered, I think itís a fair trade for both teams.

Obviously I would trade the undersized Hayes over TH any day, but guess what? No one will touch that nasty, atrocious contract. Itís out of the picture, so no point of me putting his name out there, unless itís part of some Lowry trade. You seriously want to pick up Salmons 7 million dollar option next year? That would be absurd and is out of the question. Hansbrough is more attractive for teams. He has a team option next year for a buyout at 1 million dollars. I could see a team giving up a high second round pick 30-36 or even 2 second rounders for him. TH is not a make or break player for this team and we are nowhere near competing for a championship. Iíd still like to collect picks as much as possible. By getting rid of TH, it does give us some cap flexibility in that we have at worst 1 million to 3 million in space freed up for the summer. Itís nice heading into the summer with a little more wiggle room. Who knows what Masai might be doing. We could potentially be in the running for Luol Deng in the offseason. The Jazz absorbed Jeffersonís 11 million dollar contract for a 1st rounder and 1 second rounder. We could potentially trade away Fields/Hayes (12+ million), our 2016 NYK first, and 2 second rounders (we acquire from Hansbrough trade), for capspace, if Luol Deng agrees to sign with us. There will probably be a team willing to do that, given that the value of 1st rounders is fairly high. Stephenson, Gasol, thereís still other players out there. TH wonít be the difference as to whether or not we go deep into the playoffs this season. Heís a decent big, but if I could get 2 second rounders for him, with the freed up space in the summer, Iíll take it. Worst case, if weíre willing to spend that same amount of money on a back up big (THís 3 million), there will be an abundance of cheap pf/c for us to choose from.
Just overall well said - great post dude.
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Just overall well said - great post dude.
Actually a lot of bull crap.
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Actually a lot of bull crap.
No it's not actually. There are some valid or at least insightful points there. If you think it's just "a lot of bull crap" well then idk man.

The chemistry is going well post RG.

The EC is indeed atrocious this year.

Regarding the Amir for AB trade - are there concerns with that yes, and it's highlighted in the post. Raps get a downgrade in current play but get a player who's locked in with a lot of potential. Maybe not the best fit atm but it may not be so horrible long term. Will Amir want a raise - yes, yes he will. It will be interesting to see how much he'll get here - which would probably be around 9/year. I would give him that, others wouldn't. Will be interesting to see what happens.

Salmons' best attribute is his only 1 million guaranteed next season. Attractive trade chip. I hope he's not paid fully here next season. - don't see much wrong with statement. That being said I could see him being kept if MU feels he can't find anything valuable for a backup wing via trade and/or if he has no confidence in the fa market and/or if a wing isn't picked with a draft pick.

Is Hayes harder to deal than TH - yes, yes he really is. Of course everybody would rather deal Hayes than TH but TH is the more attractive asset. Hayes atm is basically a dead-weight contract. Would 2 2nd rounders for TH be horrible - not at all. Also - PP's emergence does give a little bit of leeway to deal TH as TH's place in the pecking order isn't as clear as it was at the beginning of the season.

It's not really a lot of bullcrap as you say but that's just my opinion and you have yours.
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The chemistry here is going well after the Rudy Gay trade, but we have to be real with ourselves. More than half of the teams in the East are playing to tank. This season isnít a great litmus test as to how good we actually are. So letís say we win the Atlantic, thereís no way we get past the second round and we could conceivably get knocked out first round if we run into the bulls/nets/hawks. I really like Amirís game and what he brings to the team, plays defense doesnít take a lot of shots, shoots for high percentage list goes on. However, we canít ignore the fact that he will be a UFA after next season and will probably most likely demand something close to Taj Gibson type money with a starting salary of 9 million dollars per year which Iím not prepared to pay him. We can be proactive and trade him now, where we get the most value back. I think when looking at Bennet, thereís no doubt that I acknowledge the risk of a potential bust, but he has a high ceiling and I do see the high reward there as well. He struggled starting out the season and hasnít really been able to play through those struggles like some of his predecessors Ė Irving, Waiters, etc. I think the Cavs have to shoulder some of the blame as well in terms of not trying to at least send him to the D league to keep him conditioned and re-build his confidence. I would also transition him to the 4. Itís way too premature to write him off as a bust in the NBA. All things considered, I think itís a fair trade for both teams.

Obviously I would trade the undersized Hayes over TH any day, but guess what? No one will touch that nasty, atrocious contract. Itís out of the picture, so no point of me putting his name out there, unless itís part of some Lowry trade. You seriously want to pick up Salmons 7 million dollar option next year? That would be absurd and is out of the question. Hansbrough is more attractive for teams. He has a team option next year for a buyout at 1 million dollars. I could see a team giving up a high second round pick 30-36 or even 2 second rounders for him. TH is not a make or break player for this team and we are nowhere near competing for a championship. Iíd still like to collect picks as much as possible. By getting rid of TH, it does give us some cap flexibility in that we have at worst 1 million to 3 million in space freed up for the summer. Itís nice heading into the summer with a little more wiggle room. Who knows what Masai might be doing. We could potentially be in the running for Luol Deng in the offseason. The Jazz absorbed Jeffersonís 11 million dollar contract for a 1st rounder and 1 second rounder. We could potentially trade away Fields/Hayes (12+ million), our 2016 NYK first, and 2 second rounders (we acquire from Hansbrough trade), for capspace, if Luol Deng agrees to sign with us. There will probably be a team willing to do that, given that the value of 1st rounders is fairly high. Stephenson, Gasol, thereís still other players out there. TH wonít be the difference as to whether or not we go deep into the playoffs this season. Heís a decent big, but if I could get 2 second rounders for him, with the freed up space in the summer, Iíll take it. Worst case, if weíre willing to spend that same amount of money on a back up big (THís 3 million), there will be an abundance of cheap pf/c for us to choose from.
2 things

1) Now I agree that Amir will probably end up asking for Gibson money when he hits free agency, but you also need to take into account that the guy could easily have a horrible season next year or could get injured, thus resulting in his stock dropping with his asking price coming down. Yet again like Bennett's situation it is a risk, so MU has to weigh the pros and cons.

Also, this is not just for you but all the Bennett supporters that seem to want this guy here, why wouldn't you attempt to make this trade for a similar type player that is actually playing well? Everyone here has to stop wishing about getting a goddamn Canadian player on this team. Who the fuck cares where the player is from. Everyone has to realize, that while yes he could turn out to be a good player, he could also turn out to be a major bust that then wastes are fucking cap space for that year.

Guess what happens then? We go back to square one where we would have been with Amir. We would then have to sign a free agent big and you are not getting one that produces on both sides of the floor for cheap. I'm not saying I'm willing to overpay for Amir, put if you are looking to get a young decent PF to possibly replace him in the case that he will ask for too much, why not go after a different player through a trade rather than Bennett.

We already have a problem getting players to want to come and play here, so why trade one away just for the sake of possible potential. Fucking Bargs had potential and look how that turned out.

2) You made some solid points in your post and I give you props for that, but don't just spew some shit for the sake of tooting your own horn. You questioned me by saying "you seriously want to pick up Salmons 7 mil option next year" which you then said was absurd. Read my comment fully there bud. I said to only do this if we don't acquire or sign a free agent SF.

Also you agreed with my point of TH over CH any day. Though after this is where my issue with your statement comes up.

You then go on to say "but guess what? No one will touch that nasty, atrocious contract." (In this case I know you are talking about Hayes expiring next season) Only to then go and say "We could potentially trade away Fields/Hayes (12+ million), our 2016 NYK first, and 2 second rounders (we acquire from Hansbrough trade), for capspace, if Luol Deng agrees to sign with us.

Your statement is so hypocritical it's that funny.

I am in agreement with you that I would also love to have Deng sign here as a free agent, and if he does want to then as I said above there is no need to pick up Salmons option.
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