The Official RF Trade Proposal Thread

NO to Raps
Raps to Portland
Raps to Orlando

But lets say the following TPE for Okafor
For Paul ...Jose, Beli, Toronto's 1st and Miami's 1st.

Not much for Paul but draft choices and Beli's contract is expiring.
While Collison may be the real thing I frankly am not that high on him Jose can help and his contract is much better than Okafor's

2nd stage
Paul & Okafor to Portland 26.5 in Salary
Canby 8.4, Babbit 1.6 ,Miller 7.2, Mathews 9.2,Rudy 1.2 Portland to pay Mathews Salary 1st round picks 2011 and 2013.

3rd Stage Orlando, Tor,

Canby 8.3, Rudy 1.2 TPE
Orlando Gortat 6.3 Pietrus 5.3 + 1st in 2012 and 2nd 2011

Toronto
PG Miller 7.2 Jack 4.9 Barbosa 7.1 Banks 4.8
SG DD 2.5 Weems .9 Barbosa
SF Klieza 5.6????, Pietrus 5.3, Mathews 9.2, Babbit 1.6
C Gortat 6.3, Bargs8.0 Alabi .5????
PF Bargs, Amir 6.0????, Davis 1.9, Evans 5, Dorsey .5

We get a 77.3 million payroll but getting Portland picking up Mathews payroll 9.2
We would have 19 million in expiring contracts and a players option on Miller 7.2
We get youth with Andre Miller 34 oldest player then Pietrus & Barbosa 28 rest all 26 or under.

We lose none of our youth gaining Babitt plus draft choices.
We lose our 2011 draft choices but pick up others
We could be an extremely strong team in the East
We have huge trading pieces to improve the club.
If we can get Rubio .......Miller could be redundant next year.
We could have a legitimate shot at Melo or any other top free agent.
I see no reason the Raptors couldn't be a top 5 team in the East.

PG extremely strong..... Miller is still a quality starting PG with depth with JJ, Banks and Brown ( sign him for minimum send him to D league )
SG DD and Weems with Barbosa should be a potent combo
SF Solid great depth with Rookie Babbit maybe a bright future?
C Gortat & Bargs maybe the best C combo in the league Alabi to D league
PF Bargs, Amir Davis, Dorsey, Evans Deep and many facets

3rd Stage Orlando, Tor,

Canby 8.3, Rudy 1.2 TPE
Orlando Gortat 6.3 Pietrus 5.3 + 1st in 2012 and 2nd 2011
This wouldn't work but could be modified
Canby, Rudy, Babbit1.6
Then Babbit retraded for TPE back to Raptors or released

[Bankiz]

Originally Posted by Snooch

Morning coffee, Smoke and fantasy trade:

Indy trades:
Dunleavy, Ford

gets:
Jose, 7.5 million TPE

Indy sheds about 10 million in salary instantly and gains a nice TPE. Jose will bring the efficiency that team sorely needs offense.

Philly trades:
Iggy, Kapono

gets:
Evans, Ford, 2011 pick Miami, Weems, 7.5 million TPE

Philly sheds about 10 million in salary instantly as well as gains 14 million in expirings. Weems is a solid young propect who can provide some depth off the bench for them. Ford can man the point spot until Jrue develops a little further. Miami pick is late but it is another pick none the less.

Toronto trades:
Jose, Evans, Weems, 15 million in TPE's, Miami's 2011 pick

gets:
Iggy, Kapono, Dunleavy.

Toronto adds an athletic freak at the sf spot improving wing defense immediately. Dunleavy provides outside shooting off the bench, Foster some depth up front and both add some more expirings for the offseason. Move will leave team about 16 million under the cap in 2011 offseason if Beli and Dorsey are both offered their Qualifying offers and Barbosa opts in, more than enough to either trade for a center/pg at the dealine or go after a center in the offseason if Amir doesnt cut it as the starting pf(Noah, Horford, Yao, Chandler all free agents this upcoming season) and draft a pg with what is sure to be a lotto pick(Irving, Walker, Knight)

Jack/Beli/Banks
Demar/Barbosa
Iggy/Kleiza/Dunleavy
Amir/Davis/Dorsey
Bargs/Foster/Alabi

i prefer keep weems and send belli.

but you said this team would be a loto pick, but to me it seems too good to be one of the worst team in the league.

i think they would fight for the 6-8th spot in playoffs.

[VanCity]

Originally Posted by Lao Wai

NO to Raps
Raps to Portland
Raps to Orlando

But lets say the following TPE for Okafor
For Paul ...Jose, Beli, Toronto's 1st and Miami's 1st.

Not much for Paul but draft choices and Beli's contract is expiring.
While Collison may be the real thing I frankly am not that high on him Jose can help and his contract is much better than Okafor's

2nd stage
Paul & Okafor to Portland 26.5 in Salary
Canby 8.4, Babbit 1.6 ,Miller 7.2, Mathews 9.2,Rudy 1.2 Portland to pay Mathews Salary 1st round picks 2011 and 2013.

3rd Stage Orlando, Tor,

Canby 8.3, Rudy 1.2 TPE
Orlando Gortat 6.3 Pietrus 5.3 + 1st in 2012 and 2nd 2011

Toronto
PG Miller 7.2 Jack 4.9 Barbosa 7.1 Banks 4.8
SG DD 2.5 Weems .9 Barbosa
SF Klieza 5.6????, Pietrus 5.3, Mathews 9.2, Babbit 1.6
C Gortat 6.3, Bargs8.0 Alabi .5????
PF Bargs, Amir 6.0????, Davis 1.9, Evans 5, Dorsey .5

We get a 77.3 million payroll but getting Portland picking up Mathews payroll 9.2
We would have 19 million in expiring contracts and a players option on Miller 7.2
We get youth with Andre Miller 34 oldest player then Pietrus & Barbosa 28 rest all 26 or under.

We lose none of our youth gaining Babitt plus draft choices.
We lose our 2011 draft choices but pick up others
We could be an extremely strong team in the East
We have huge trading pieces to improve the club.
If we can get Rubio .......Miller could be redundant next year.
We could have a legitimate shot at Melo or any other top free agent.
I see no reason the Raptors couldn't be a top 5 team in the East.

PG extremely strong..... Miller is still a quality starting PG with depth with JJ, Banks and Brown ( sign him for minimum send him to D league )
SG DD and Weems with Barbosa should be a potent combo
SF Solid great depth with Rookie Babbit maybe a bright future?
C Gortat & Bargs maybe the best C combo in the league Alabi to D league
PF Bargs, Amir Davis, Dorsey, Evans Deep and many facets

so you want to trade for arguably the best point guard in the league but then trade him for andre fucking miller?

Originally Posted by VanCity

so you want to trade for arguably the best point guard in the league but then trade him for andre fucking miller?

Actually no but this trade assumes that he wouldn't want to be in Toronto.
We trade our Jose,Beli our TPE and 1st 2011 and Miamis 1st 2011
For Miller, Gortat, Pietrus,Babitt and Mathews (salary covered )
Portlands 1st 2011 & 13, Orlando's 1st 2012 and 2nd 2011.

If you remember everyone would have been very happy with the Charlotte trade. If you didn't pick up andre's option you have 26 million in expiring contracts. Banks, Evans, Mathews, Miller.

It allows the Raptors to be player during the year before trade deadline,

[VanCity]

Originally Posted by Lao Wai

Actually no but this trade assumes that he wouldn't want to be in Toronto.
We trade our Jose,Beli our TPE and 1st 2011 and Miamis 1st 2011
For Miller, Gortat, Pietrus,Babitt and Mathews (salary covered )
Portlands 1st 2011 & 13, Orlando's 1st 2012 and 2nd 2011.

If you remember everyone would have been very happy with the Charlotte trade. If you didn't pick up andre's option you have 26 million in expiring contracts. Banks, Evans, Mathews, Miller.

It allows the Raptors to be player during the year before trade deadline,

so we trade the best player to get players that are not even close to being as talented has him?

and yes, everyone would have been happy with the Charlotte trade because we would have gotten a legit center...

and hes got 2 years left in his contract...he doesnt have any leverage for the next 2 years...

and oh ya, the hornets would not take that dead to begin with...they would want no part of calderon...

Originally Posted by VanCity

so we trade the best player to get players that are not even close to being as talented has him?

and yes, everyone would have been happy with the Charlotte trade because we would have gotten a legit center...

and hes got 2 years left in his contract...he doesnt have any leverage for the next 2 years...

and oh ya, the hornets would not take that dead to begin with...they would want no part of calderon...

Gortat is a far better center than Chamber

[VanCity]

Originally Posted by Lao Wai

Gortat is a far better center than Chamber

no hes not...and its chandler not chamber...and its camby not canby...

Gortat still hasn't proved shit all as a starter...chandler has proven himself to be a great defensive center...and he seems to be healthy again...i watched the team usa camp last night and he was great...

[SharoneW]

If we're going to get rid of a PG/salary...we're running out of options.

Here's all I can think of:


1. Indiana: Has no PG.

a) Calderon and Belinelli for Dahtay Jones and Mike Dunleavy (exp)

b) Three Way Deal:

Indiana trades Troy Murphy (exp) gets Jarrett Jack, Reggie Evans, Nicolas Batum, draft picks

Toronto trades Jarrett Jack and Reggie Evans gets Rudy Fernandez and Joel Przybilla (exp)

Portland trades Batum, Fernandez and picks for Troy Murphy

games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cglb6e

c) 4Way Deal.

Toronto trade Jose Calderon and Reggie Evans, gets Gortat, Sessions

Minnesota trades Ramon Sessions and Ryan Hollins, gets Pietrus

Indiana trades Mike Dunleavy, Dahtay Jones, gets Calderon, Evans and Hollins.

Orlando trades Mickael Pietrus and Gortat, gets Dunleavy and Jones.

Orlando sheds money, Minni improves, Pacers get a pg, we get a big.

games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28adwxh

2. Atlanta:

They need another pg to help keep the pressure of Bibby and his bad knees.

Jarrett Jack and Belinelli for Zaza Pachulia and Jeff Teague

We shed some money in the long term, get a promising young pg and a backup big with a hilarious name.

3. Philly:

Needs a pass first PG to play with Turner.

Calderon, Evans, Belinelli for Lou Williams, Thad Young, Nocioni.

Neither team saves money really, but the swapping of bodies could make both teams better. We maybe get the best of them, but they loose the worst contract of the deal (Nocioni).

4. Clippers

With Gordon, Griffin, Aminu...badly need a pass first PG.

Baron Davis for Calderon, Banks, Evans

They get rid of an overpaid malcontent and save 12 million over 3 years, we get a playmaker who can play uptempo.

5. Kings

With Cousins playing like a true center...their need for a PG upgrade over Beno (who's overpaid anyway) could make Dalembert expendable.

a) Calderon and Evans for Dalembert and Beno Udrih

or if they want to keep Dalembert...

b) Calderon and Evans for Beno and Jason Thompson

[Snooch]

for indy it should be:

Indy out:
Ford, Dunleavy

in
Jose, Miami pick, TPE, Cash

Indy in shedding dunleavy and FOrd saves 10 million and that will cover Jose's salary next season, 3 million covers one third of his salary in 2012. Actual cost to Indy for taking Jose is 7.5 million for 3 seasons. They maintain 23 million in 2011 capspace.

Toronto sheds Jose for expiring which would allow them to have about 17 million in capspace in 2011 to go after the likes of Horford, Gasol, etc. or a couple of lesser guys like green or young and a center like sammy

Originally Posted by Snooch

for indy it should be:

Indy out:
Ford, Dunleavy

in
Jose, Miami pick, TPE, Cash

Indy in shedding dunleavy and FOrd saves 10 million and that will cover Jose's salary next season, 3 million covers one third of his salary in 2012. Actual cost to Indy for taking Jose is 7.5 million for 3 seasons. They maintain 23 million in 2011 capspace.

Toronto sheds Jose for expiring which would allow them to have about 17 million in capspace in 2011 to go after the likes of Horford, Gasol, etc. or a couple of lesser guys like green or young and a center like sammy

We get nothing out of the deal Joses and Fords salaries are within 600,000 of each other. We take 10 million in extra salary for Dunleavy who was slow before the injury and a defensive liability. Yes if healthy he can shoot.

I'm not a huge Jose supporter but he is a better PG than most in the east. He is a better starter than Miami, Orlando, Charlotte, Atlanta, NYK, Detroit, Philly, Cleveland, Indy. About equal to NJ. Personally I think we are better keeping him starting him pray that he has regained some for then trade him for value. The reality of the trade is we save about 10 million in salary over 3 years.

[Snooch]

Originally Posted by Lao Wai

We get nothing out of the deal Joses and Fords salaries are within 600,000 of each other. We take 10 million in extra salary for Dunleavy who was slow before the injury and a defensive liability. Yes if healthy he can shoot.

I'm not a huge Jose supporter but he is a better PG than most in the east. He is a better starter than Miami, Orlando, Charlotte, Atlanta, NYK, Detroit, Philly, Cleveland, Indy. About equal to NJ. Personally I think we are better keeping him starting him pray that he has regained some for then trade him for value. The reality of the trade is we save about 10 million in salary over 3 years.

Reality of the trade is it gives the tem only about 41 million in committed salary in 2011. Allowing team to sigh the likes of Gasol, Horford, Perkins, Green, Young, etc to a contract while still having our own pick in 2011 to fill the holes at pg or center

4 way trade between Orlando,Toronto, Chicago and Portland

Toronto gets Johnson and Gortat
Orlando gets Joel P and JJ
Portland gets Beli and Pietrus
Chicago gets Rudy

Deal works financially

JJ is better than any of Orlando's PGs and Joel P is an expiring and if healthy as advertised a good back-up for Howard.

Portland gets replacement for Rudy in Beli and Pietrus a expiring for SF a weakness for Portland.

Chicago gets Rudy who they like

Toronto line-up

PG Jose, Barbosa, Banks,
SG DD, Weems Barbosa
SF Klieza, Weems, Johnson
C Bargs, Gortat, Anderson, (Alabi D league )
PF Amir, Bargs, Davis, Dorsey, Evans

If that trade worked

Then trade with NY Curry 11.3 for Banks, Evans & Anderson plus get NY to pick-up Curry's salary.

Banks and Evans are expiring Anderson is team option.
Why NY does deal and pays Curry's salary is that they add depth with useful players with expiring contracts.
We get Curry who likely would be released and become Pizza Pizza's next poster boy.
We fix the clogs at PG, PF & C
Can add Brown as PG

PG Jose, Barbosa, Brown
SG DD, Weems, Barbosa
SF Klieza, Weems, Anderson,
C Bargs, Gortat, Alabi
PF Amir, Bargs, Davis, Dorsey

Even with Jose everyone under 29

Johnson instead of Anderson

[ustation]

I'm thinking of two separate deals:

1) 1st & 2nd round DP for Iggy (using up the TPE)
2)Three Way: Jose Calderon to Memphis, NO Okafor to Toronto, James Posey to Memphis, Zach Randolph from Mephis to NO. A bunch of expiring contracts from Toronto to all over the place to make it work.

Okafor, Bargs, Iggy, Demar, Jack
Davis, Johnson, Kleiza, Barbosa, Weems (using Barbosa to PG)

[SharoneW]

I think the four way isn't bad, but don't know why Portland/Chicago would just trade Fernandez for Johnson, nor why Orlando wants a third average pg.

This makes alittle more sense to me:

Watson and Przybilla to Toronto
James Johnson and Belinelli to Portland
Fernandez and Calderon to Chicago

I think a team contending for the championship could find great use for Calderon in the same 20 minutes off the bench role he was with us when he/we were good. Chicago has cap space to spare so it might be worth it to them. I think they get alot better with this deal, though are stuck with the only bad contract.

We get virtually nothing back but we're rid of Calderon's deal and get better defensively next year.

Portland gets a nice return on Fernandez.

[T.RIK]

Originally Posted by ustation

I'm thinking of two separate deals:

1) 1st & 2nd round DP for Iggy (using up the TPE)
2)Three Way: Jose Calderon to Memphis, NO Okafor to Toronto, James Posey to Memphis, Zach Randolph from Mephis to NO. A bunch of expiring contracts from Toronto to all over the place to make it work.

Okafor, Bargs, Iggy, Demar, Jack
Davis, Johnson, Kleiza, Barbosa, Weems (using Barbosa to PG)

Iggy has seriously upped his value this summer. I think we can no longer pry him away for basically nothing anymore.

Perhaps if we threw in Davis and Weems we would have a better shot, but even then I think Philly could do better.

And there is Nooooooo way Memphis basically trades Randolph for Calderon....it was just reported that they wanted to sign Randolph for a longer term.

[JackAstors]

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

good trade

[jeffb]

Originally Posted by T.RIK

Iggy has seriously upped his value this summer.

How so?