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Raps to Portland Raps to Orlando But lets say the following TPE for Okafor For Paul ...Jose, Beli, Toronto's 1st and Miami's 1st. Not much for Paul but draft choices and Beli's contract is expiring. While Collison may be the real thing I frankly am not that high on him Jose can help and his contract is much better than Okafor's 2nd stage Paul & Okafor to Portland 26.5 in Salary Canby 8.4, Babbit 1.6 ,Miller 7.2, Mathews 9.2,Rudy 1.2 Portland to pay Mathews Salary 1st round picks 2011 and 2013. 3rd Stage Orlando, Tor, Canby 8.3, Rudy 1.2 TPE Orlando Gortat 6.3 Pietrus 5.3 + 1st in 2012 and 2nd 2011 Toronto PG Miller 7.2 Jack 4.9 Barbosa 7.1 Banks 4.8 SG DD 2.5 Weems .9 Barbosa SF Klieza 5.6????, Pietrus 5.3, Mathews 9.2, Babbit 1.6 C Gortat 6.3, Bargs8.0 Alabi .5???? PF Bargs, Amir 6.0????, Davis 1.9, Evans 5, Dorsey .5 We get a 77.3 million payroll but getting Portland picking up Mathews payroll 9.2 We would have 19 million in expiring contracts and a players option on Miller 7.2 We get youth with Andre Miller 34 oldest player then Pietrus & Barbosa 28 rest all 26 or under. We lose none of our youth gaining Babitt plus draft choices. We lose our 2011 draft choices but pick up others We could be an extremely strong team in the East We have huge trading pieces to improve the club. If we can get Rubio .......Miller could be redundant next year. We could have a legitimate shot at Melo or any other top free agent. I see no reason the Raptors couldn't be a top 5 team in the East. PG extremely strong..... Miller is still a quality starting PG with depth with JJ, Banks and Brown ( sign him for minimum send him to D league ) SG DD and Weems with Barbosa should be a potent combo SF Solid great depth with Rookie Babbit maybe a bright future? C Gortat & Bargs maybe the best C combo in the league Alabi to D league PF Bargs, Amir Davis, Dorsey, Evans Deep and many facets |
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Canby 8.3, Rudy 1.2 TPE Orlando Gortat 6.3 Pietrus 5.3 + 1st in 2012 and 2nd 2011 This wouldn't work but could be modified Canby, Rudy, Babbit1.6 Then Babbit retraded for TPE back to Raptors or released |
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but you said this team would be a loto pick, but to me it seems too good to be one of the worst team in the league. i think they would fight for the 6-8th spot in playoffs. |
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We trade our Jose,Beli our TPE and 1st 2011 and Miamis 1st 2011 For Miller, Gortat, Pietrus,Babitt and Mathews (salary covered ) Portlands 1st 2011 & 13, Orlando's 1st 2012 and 2nd 2011. If you remember everyone would have been very happy with the Charlotte trade. If you didn't pick up andre's option you have 26 million in expiring contracts. Banks, Evans, Mathews, Miller. It allows the Raptors to be player during the year before trade deadline, |
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and yes, everyone would have been happy with the Charlotte trade because we would have gotten a legit center... and hes got 2 years left in his contract...he doesnt have any leverage for the next 2 years... and oh ya, the hornets would not take that dead to begin with...they would want no part of calderon... |
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![]() no hes not...and its chandler not chamber...and its camby not canby...
Gortat still hasn't proved shit all as a starter...chandler has proven himself to be a great defensive center...and he seems to be healthy again...i watched the team usa camp last night and he was great... |
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![]() If we're going to get rid of a PG/salary...we're running out of options.
Here's all I can think of: 1. Indiana: Has no PG. a) Calderon and Belinelli for Dahtay Jones and Mike Dunleavy (exp) b) Three Way Deal: Indiana trades Troy Murphy (exp) gets Jarrett Jack, Reggie Evans, Nicolas Batum, draft picks Toronto trades Jarrett Jack and Reggie Evans gets Rudy Fernandez and Joel Przybilla (exp) Portland trades Batum, Fernandez and picks for Troy Murphy games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cglb6e c) 4Way Deal. Toronto trade Jose Calderon and Reggie Evans, gets Gortat, Sessions Minnesota trades Ramon Sessions and Ryan Hollins, gets Pietrus Indiana trades Mike Dunleavy, Dahtay Jones, gets Calderon, Evans and Hollins. Orlando trades Mickael Pietrus and Gortat, gets Dunleavy and Jones. Orlando sheds money, Minni improves, Pacers get a pg, we get a big. games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28adwxh 2. Atlanta: They need another pg to help keep the pressure of Bibby and his bad knees. Jarrett Jack and Belinelli for Zaza Pachulia and Jeff Teague We shed some money in the long term, get a promising young pg and a backup big with a hilarious name. 3. Philly: Needs a pass first PG to play with Turner. Calderon, Evans, Belinelli for Lou Williams, Thad Young, Nocioni. Neither team saves money really, but the swapping of bodies could make both teams better. We maybe get the best of them, but they loose the worst contract of the deal (Nocioni). 4. Clippers With Gordon, Griffin, Aminu...badly need a pass first PG. Baron Davis for Calderon, Banks, Evans They get rid of an overpaid malcontent and save 12 million over 3 years, we get a playmaker who can play uptempo. 5. Kings With Cousins playing like a true center...their need for a PG upgrade over Beno (who's overpaid anyway) could make Dalembert expendable. a) Calderon and Evans for Dalembert and Beno Udrih or if they want to keep Dalembert... b) Calderon and Evans for Beno and Jason Thompson |
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![]() for indy it should be:
Indy out: Ford, Dunleavy in Jose, Miami pick, TPE, Cash Indy in shedding dunleavy and FOrd saves 10 million and that will cover Jose's salary next season, 3 million covers one third of his salary in 2012. Actual cost to Indy for taking Jose is 7.5 million for 3 seasons. They maintain 23 million in 2011 capspace. Toronto sheds Jose for expiring which would allow them to have about 17 million in capspace in 2011 to go after the likes of Horford, Gasol, etc. or a couple of lesser guys like green or young and a center like sammy |
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We get nothing out of the deal Joses and Fords salaries are within 600,000 of each other. We take 10 million in extra salary for Dunleavy who was slow before the injury and a defensive liability. Yes if healthy he can shoot. I'm not a huge Jose supporter but he is a better PG than most in the east. He is a better starter than Miami, Orlando, Charlotte, Atlanta, NYK, Detroit, Philly, Cleveland, Indy. About equal to NJ. Personally I think we are better keeping him starting him pray that he has regained some for then trade him for value. The reality of the trade is we save about 10 million in salary over 3 years. |
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![]() 4 way trade between Orlando,Toronto, Chicago and Portland
Toronto gets Johnson and Gortat Orlando gets Joel P and JJ Portland gets Beli and Pietrus Chicago gets Rudy Deal works financially JJ is better than any of Orlando's PGs and Joel P is an expiring and if healthy as advertised a good back-up for Howard. Portland gets replacement for Rudy in Beli and Pietrus a expiring for SF a weakness for Portland. Chicago gets Rudy who they like Toronto line-up PG Jose, Barbosa, Banks, SG DD, Weems Barbosa SF Klieza, Weems, Johnson C Bargs, Gortat, Anderson, (Alabi D league ) PF Amir, Bargs, Davis, Dorsey, Evans |
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Then trade with NY Curry 11.3 for Banks, Evans & Anderson plus get NY to pick-up Curry's salary. Banks and Evans are expiring Anderson is team option. Why NY does deal and pays Curry's salary is that they add depth with useful players with expiring contracts. We get Curry who likely would be released and become Pizza Pizza's next poster boy. We fix the clogs at PG, PF & C Can add Brown as PG PG Jose, Barbosa, Brown SG DD, Weems, Barbosa SF Klieza, Weems, Anderson, C Bargs, Gortat, Alabi PF Amir, Bargs, Davis, Dorsey Even with Jose everyone under 29 |
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![]() I'm thinking of two separate deals:
1) 1st & 2nd round DP for Iggy (using up the TPE) 2)Three Way: Jose Calderon to Memphis, NO Okafor to Toronto, James Posey to Memphis, Zach Randolph from Mephis to NO. A bunch of expiring contracts from Toronto to all over the place to make it work. Okafor, Bargs, Iggy, Demar, Jack Davis, Johnson, Kleiza, Barbosa, Weems (using Barbosa to PG) |
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![]() I think the four way isn't bad, but don't know why Portland/Chicago would just trade Fernandez for Johnson, nor why Orlando wants a third average pg.
This makes alittle more sense to me: Watson and Przybilla to Toronto James Johnson and Belinelli to Portland Fernandez and Calderon to Chicago I think a team contending for the championship could find great use for Calderon in the same 20 minutes off the bench role he was with us when he/we were good. Chicago has cap space to spare so it might be worth it to them. I think they get alot better with this deal, though are stuck with the only bad contract. We get virtually nothing back but we're rid of Calderon's deal and get better defensively next year. Portland gets a nice return on Fernandez. |
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Perhaps if we threw in Davis and Weems we would have a better shot, but even then I think Philly could do better. And there is Nooooooo way Memphis basically trades Randolph for Calderon....it was just reported that they wanted to sign Randolph for a longer term. Last edited by T.RIK; 07-31-2010 at 09:47 PM. |
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