The Official RF Trade Proposal Thread - Page 279
Old 01-15-2014, 06:12 PM   #5561 (permalink)
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Yea I agree Perkins is terrible OKC would be glad to trade him for capspace. Afflalo for Lamb and Dallas first is not a bad trade. But tbh I don't see why would Orlando do it
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:06 PM   #5562 (permalink)
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i only seperate the trades because of the restriction on hayes and Gravis.
you can do the entire trade but only after the 9th february :

ORL get Gravis + Perkins + Fields + Lamb + 1ST Dal + 1st 2016 NYK + 2nd rd okc 2014 (tor)
OKC get Afflalo + Hayes + Daye
Toronto get Nelson + sefolosha + Harkless + O'quinn
That I think those other teams wouldn't do. Toronto trying to dump too much salary on other teams. Harkless, 6 mil + in cap space next year, another 2 mil in cash savings and good upgrades for the bench this year, all of that for basically the NY/Denver pick in 2016 which will likely be pretty low. It's too much. Those teams would be better off just trading without Toronto.
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Lithuanian homer.

Fuck Drummond? What a wise response. Drummond was a steal and has produced the same if not better than JV thus far. He has flaws obviously but strengths as well. I just used him as an example for age.

I know of your love for Ilyasova.

PP provides some spacing and if you want purely 3 point shooting Novak can be used in emergencies/if need be.

Salmons best attribute is his contract atm.

Although I understand of your concept of buying low on D-Mo and hopefully becoming a good 4th big - he's played terribly this season. Also, I don't know if Morey let's him go for a 2nd rounder. Morey isn't an idiot.
Drummond is Reggie Evans on better steroids. On paper he and JV may have produced similar stats but how each achieved that is quite different. So, more aptly, fuck the Drummond hype - though it seems to have settled around here now that TR has some time and his shots are falling. Best potential 6th man for the Raps. Though I will acknowledge this, for all the talk of AD having a suspect motor he certainly has proved them and myself wrong. Yes I agree about Salmons but I like the other intangibles he brings.

No, Morey is no idiot though I'm wondering if he has done too much....I say that cause the Rockets seemed much more fluid and dangerous pre-Howard, I guess we'll have to see them in the play-offs.

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Old 01-16-2014, 10:45 AM   #5564 (permalink)
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Drummond is Reggie Evans on better steroids.
Which leads to the big question, who should be fired for giving Reggie Evans bad steroids?
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Rockets probably wish they had Patterson back. Most of them can't hit a 3 lately, which is a problem since their offense is built around 3s and penetration. And they haven't had a PF who fits their system since they traded 2Pat away.
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Which leads to the big question, who should be fired for giving Reggie Evans bad steroids?
The same people that gave them to A-Rod
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Rockets probably wish they had Patterson back. Most of them can't hit a 3 lately, which is a problem since their offense is built around 3s and penetration. And they haven't had a PF who fits their system since they traded 2Pat away.
Maybe we can flip 2Pat for TJ or steal him away
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:04 PM   #5568 (permalink)
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Toronto: Caron Butler (8mil exp)

Milwaukee: Novak or Fields, 2nd


Depth SF for a playoff run, gives us experience off the bench while expiring in the summer. He won't be in Milwaukee past this season (currently not getting minutes) and could see him getting dealt by the deadline since he's an expirng. Short term vet + capspace for the summer to me is a no brainer. I think Milwaukee can probably get a better deal though.
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:09 PM   #5569 (permalink)
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Toronto: Caron Butler (8mil exp)

Milwaukee: Novak or Fields, 2nd


Depth SF for a playoff run, gives us experience off the bench while expiring in the summer. He won't be in Milwaukee past this season (currently not getting minutes) and could see him getting dealt by the deadline since he's an expirng. Short term vet + capspace for the summer to me is a no brainer. I think Milwaukee can probably get a better deal though.
Honestly Jeffb, I've been following Butler and he's not getting minutes for a reason - his play has been horrendous. His season started well then, yikes - he's being thouroughly outplayed by all the youngsters there. Possible it's mainly due to Drew, that dude is just messing with everyones minutes to the point that none of the players are getting consistent minutes or even know their roles. The cap space is great, though I think we could do better with a Novak trade.

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Old 01-16-2014, 12:11 PM   #5570 (permalink)
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Honestly Jeffb, I've been following Butler and he's not getting minutes for a reason - his play has been horrendous. His season started well then, yikes - he's being thouroughly outplayed by all the youngsters there. The cap space is great, though I think we could do better with a Novak trade.
Probably right, although that capspace would be great imo. Still say he could help our youngsters in a playoff run. He'd likely get very few minutes on the court just like Novak.
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Probably right, although that capspace would be great imo. Still say he could help our youngsters in a playoff run. He'd likely get very few minutes on the court just like Novak.
I agree, sorry, I edited my post. Butler's drop off could be mainly due to Drew. No consistency in minutes or even who's a starter.....terrible, terrible coach imo
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I agree, sorry, I edited my post. Butler's drop off could be mainly due to Drew. No consistency in minutes or even who's a starter.....terrible, terrible coach imo
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Coach Larry Drew told reporters that he has had conversations with Butler and his agent, but there is a commitment to playing the team’s younger players. “And if there is no happiness there, I guess they’re going to have to do something.”
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While the 33-year old two-time NBA All-Star maintains that he isn't seeking out a trade from the Bucks yet, if he is dealt before the Feb. 20 league deadline, “I know that I’ll be in a good situation, because it can’t get (any) worse.”
No hometown happiness for Butler - 620 WTMJ - Milwaukee's Source for Local News and Weather
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Old 01-17-2014, 03:21 AM   #5573 (permalink)
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i would say they tank properly !
Now buttler would be an interresting choice for us as backup wing. especialy if we make a push for the playoffs. he is a solid defender.


buttler + Ridnour
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fields + novak + Vasquez (+ 1st NYK 2016 ?)
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Old 01-17-2014, 03:50 AM   #5574 (permalink)
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i would say they tank properly !
Now buttler would be an interresting choice for us as backup wing. especialy if we make a push for the playoffs. he is a solid defender.


buttler + Ridnour
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fields + novak + Vasquez (+ 1st NYK 2016 ?)
Other than the fact that I'm a little iffy on Butler at his age, I don't see why a Novak/Fields salary dump, with them both with only two years left, should require us to drop a first rounder. At the very least it would have to be something like top 8-12 protected.

I think it would be more beneficial to see if we could nab OJ Mayo instead of Butler and attempt to permanently use DeMar or Ross as Small Forwards (and Patterson/Amir on SF/PFs). Sure it would take away time from Ross, but it would very nicely solidify our guard positions for a long time coming, assuming we could re-sign Lowry. Lowry/DeRozan/Mayo/Ross/Ridnour could absolutely be an elite rotation of guards.
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i don't like mayo.
i don't want to piss on the guy, but what did he do. it's like he lose his game somewhere between menphis and dallas. and this season he doesn't seem right either. so with his contract it seems a bad move.

i put the 1st on option. i really think that giveup gravis should be enough to have a fair deal, but mabe not, it's why i put the 1st on hold.
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Honestly Jeffb, I've been following Butler and he's not getting minutes for a reason - his play has been horrendous. His season started well then, yikes - he's being thouroughly outplayed by all the youngsters there. Possible it's mainly due to Drew, that dude is just messing with everyones minutes to the point that none of the players are getting consistent minutes or even know their roles. The cap space is great, though I think we could do better with a Novak trade.
And he looked really out of shape...
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Other than the fact that I'm a little iffy on Butler at his age, I don't see why a Novak/Fields salary dump, with them both with only two years left, should require us to drop a first rounder. At the very least it would have to be something like top 8-12 protected.

I think it would be more beneficial to see if we could nab OJ Mayo instead of Butler and attempt to permanently use DeMar or Ross as Small Forwards (and Patterson/Amir on SF/PFs). Sure it would take away time from Ross, but it would very nicely solidify our guard positions for a long time coming, assuming we could re-sign Lowry. Lowry/DeRozan/Mayo/Ross/Ridnour could absolutely be an elite rotation of guards.
Mayo looked out of shape too. I'm not interested in anyone except Luke.
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Old 01-17-2014, 08:42 AM   #5578 (permalink)
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More cap space would be great. I'm very intrigued by Lance Stephenson, and he's going to be an unrestricted free agent. But getting rid of those dead contracts would be so costly.

There are teams every year that get a 1st by absorbing 3-5 mil in salary. The Jazz got 2 unprotected 1sts and 2 2nds (as far as I know) for doing that deal with GSW this summer where they absorbed 24 mil.

Fields+Novak = 13 mil+ in cap space after this year and 15.5 mil + in actual salary. That mess would take multiple picks to clean. Way too painful.

The Raptors will have an option to cut Fields or Hayes and stretch their salary over 3 years, that's a bit more feasible if Ujiri wants to go after someone like Stephenson.
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Stephenson is awesome, but I would be a bit worried if we sign him. Can he sustain or elevate his play? Is he really that good or he seems better because of the system and coaching? Maybe, maybe not.. It would all depend on the contract
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I think he's great. But yep, there are some risks as far as character and taking him out of that locker room and organization. He's also going to get paid. I suspect 10 mil a year or more, likely quite a bit more. It's very rare for a talented free agent to be unrestricted at such a young age. I think there will be a bidding war. Especially from LA, Detroit, maybe Chicago if they have enough money.

To be honest, I wish he stayed with the Pacers, I really like that team as built right now. It would be a shame. It feels like Phoenix/Joe Johnson again.

But the Pacers probably won't have the money.

Btw, Chandler Parsons in 2015 will be another young unrestricted player just like Lance. Also quite obtainable, IMO. The Raptors should have more money that summer, so I could definitely see Ujiri going after him.
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