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Old 01-14-2014, 04:07 PM   #5541 (permalink)
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As much as i like D-MO, i really think woodchuck is right.

And what we need isn't in the frontline.

we need a better 4th wing man, in case of injury and a vet 3rd pg.
to me a player like Jefferson, Carter or even a nick young as our 6th men.
i think a guy like buddinger is a low price right now, and he will be a solid addition on the wings. and is contract is pretty good for what he can do.
To this day thats one of my biggest draft regrets for this team. A guy that athletic and talented at volleyball had to be able to learn BB quickly and a steral in the 2nd round. would be great if he's cheap but doubt it.
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To this day thats one of my biggest draft regrets for this team. A guy that athletic and talented at volleyball had to be able to learn BB quickly and a steral in the 2nd round. would be great if he's cheap but doubt it.
Why is that a regret? Seems Budinger has spent more time under the knife than he has playing basketball - and have you seen him move laterally before the knee surgeries? Can't imagine how slow it will be now. Besides, why would he be expensive? He hasn't done anything other than a few tantalizing games and that's it.
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The team needs some more height in the front court and I do agree about the wing. Those players you named are a step back imo except for Chase though he's coming off his second knee surgery already at 25 so I'd pass until he can show he can stay somewhat healthy.

Personally I like Deng or Chandler (as mentioned above though I'm not too whooped with either's injury plagued past but knock on wood they're past that) and either plays defence well. Deng is my preference but Wilson is 2 years younger and certainly cheaper. Along with D-mo and his shooting ability for a 7' footer (yes yes we heard this before but D-mo is not AB) plus T-ross would make an incredible 6th man. He reminds me of Jet in his prime - just TR has or will have better D. And we already have a 3rd cheap pg and it's looking like it's going to be Buycks. I hope the team keeps Tyler as well - guys with that kind of heart and hustle and know their role tend to be few and far between (we always seem to miss players like Garbo and JYD).

Starters
Lowry/Derozan/Deng or Wilson/D-mo/Jonas

Bench
Vasquez/T-Ross/Salmons/Pat/Amir

The above line-up is way more appealing to me as a team than it would be to see any of the names you had mentioned - just a preference on my part not a slam. I guess the biggest difference in viewing the team is I see TR in a 6th man role.
Not sure if Lithuanian homer.

Lol sorry but you have a real addiction to him. Amir, JV, and PP are all fitting in quite well and he'd probably be behind them. This season he's been absolutely brutal. He's young but if he was actually young - like Drummond - born in 1993, then it wouldn't be as bad. He'd still be a project anywho. Would took seasons for him to start, if it would indeed actually happen.

Salmons is likely gone at the deadline or at the draft. His greatest asset is his contract. GV might not even be back next season.
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Not sure if Lithuanian homer.

Lol sorry but you have a real addiction to him. Amir, JV, and PP are all fitting in quite well and he'd probably be behind them. This season he's been absolutely brutal. He's young but if he was actually young - like Drummond - born in 1993, then it wouldn't be as bad. He'd still be a project anywho. Would took seasons for him to start, if it would indeed actually happen.

Salmons is likely gone at the deadline or at the draft. His greatest asset is his contract. GV might not even be back next season.
Homer? That's silly. Drummond? Fuck Drummond - he's over rated and has some serious flaws - mainly his ft%, mid range game and his brain. D-mo needs PT as do a lot of players like him around the league - and he's far more proven a player than most college wannabes that come in the league lately. Truly, I'm not married to the player per se but the idea. AJ/PP/JV are great but hey, one injury then the team is screwed in the front court. For the last couple of years I've had a homer fest for Ily - I like the idea of a power 3 / stretch 4. I'm hoping he can be had with the mess of a team he's on though a 4/3 is not as important right now than a solid contributing 3. I also like the idea of a player like D-mo, stretch 4 and 5 and who's over 6'9" unlike anyone else in the front court not name JV. More spacing more spacing more spacing - makes the back court that much better. Surprisingly, I would like JS to stay - never thought I would say that after how he spurned the Raps but his play and strong vet presence has allowed me to forgive that.

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Old 01-14-2014, 06:21 PM   #5545 (permalink)
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I wouldnt mind D-Mo myself as in having one big who is actually tall. Problem with D-Mo is his defense. I dont think he can handle powerful C's that well. Still I would take him over Chuck anytime.
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Old 01-15-2014, 06:22 AM   #5546 (permalink)
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we can forget deng. for this season he is in cleveland. and we will not have the capspace to get him this summer.

as for our frontcourt, Amir, PP, TH + JV, Hayes - we already are pettry good here.
we can still upgrade TH and hayes for sur, but as backup and as they both are blue collar type of player, it's pretty hard to replace with better production/contract wise.

and i would prefer an OLYNYK than D-MO.

and as for the wing, i don't think we need an upgrade in the starting lineup. DD and ross manage very well.
I'm more concern about our bench. Salmons is the type of player we want, but i will search for an upgrade or at least a player like him. a vet whom know how to defend and shoot the 3.
a cheap Mike Miller would be nice.



a proposal : after 9th february :

ORL get Crawford + Gravis + Fields + 1st NYK 2016 + 1st Brooklyn 2014 (BOS)
BOS get Afflalo + TH
Toronto get Nelson + Bogans + Olynyk

Orl get 2 first rd and 2 youngster, they also shed some money (4M), fields give them flexibility for next season.

Boston reinforce their wing. rondo/afflalo/Green it's pretty solid for now.


We grab two vet at pg and sg and a prospect PF/C. They all are team player.

KL/Nelson/Buycks
DD/Bogans/Stone
TR/Salmons/Novak
AJ/PP/Olynyk
JV/PP/Hayes
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a proposal : after 9th february :

ORL get Crawford + Gravis + Fields + 1st NYK 2016 + 1st Brooklyn 2014 (BOS)
BOS get Afflalo + TH
Toronto get Nelson + Bogans + Olynyk
That's pretty interesting. It looks about fair.

Orlando. 2 picks (one of them likely mid-teens) and some cap space for Afflalo is pretty decent, I guess. Unless they plan to keep Afflalo long term, that's probably about as much as they could expect.

Boston. A likely mid-teens pick, cap space and Olynyk for Afflalo. Well, if Boston does it now, they are going to win some games, which i don't think they want to do. Boston needs to tank and get that high lottery player. So I think a trade like this would be more likely on draft day. Lets say they get a top 5 pick and draft Randle or Embiid, get Afflalo and go into next season with a core like Rondo, Afflalo, Jeff Green, Embiid, Avery Bradley. That's a playoffs team.

Toronto. Denver pick for Nelson, Olynyk and a little bit of cap space this summer (if Nelson is cut). Well, I'd rather have that pick, I don't like Olynyk much. But the cap space is nice, and Nelson would help the bench short term. So I wouldn't do it, it's more of a short term over long term deal, but I wouldn't hate it too much if it happened.
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i though, afflalo wouldn't change many thing. they will not be a top 5 pcik team this season. they already are too good for that.

but in that trade i would give orlando Daye + a futur 2nd for Kyle O'Quinn. he is a big sf/pf with a nice ability to shoot.


and we still have our 1st 2014 to grab a nice PG or combo to developp as futur backup.
we will still haveour 2nd rd to add some youngh in the roster next season.

Lowry/1st 2014/FA
DD/Bogans/2nd rd
TR/Salmons/Novak
AJ/Olynyk/O'Quinn
JV/PP/Hayes

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i though, afflalo wouldn't change many thing. they will not be a top 5 pcik team this season. they already are too good for that.
Boston is tied for the 4th-5th worst record in the NBA and they are on 9 games losing streak.
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Boston is tied for the 4th-5th worst record in the NBA and they are on 9 games losing streak.

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I'm a bit surprised RR hasn't gone yet though I guess to maximize his value he'll need to play for a bit

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we can forget deng. for this season he is in cleveland. and we will not have the capspace to get him this summer.

as for our frontcourt, Amir, PP, TH + JV, Hayes - we already are pettry good here.
we can still upgrade TH and hayes for sur, but as backup and as they both are blue collar type of player, it's pretty hard to replace with better production/contract wise.

and i would prefer an OLYNYK than D-MO.

and as for the wing, i don't think we need an upgrade in the starting lineup. DD and ross manage very well.
I'm more concern about our bench. Salmons is the type of player we want, but i will search for an upgrade or at least a player like him. a vet whom know how to defend and shoot the 3.
a cheap Mike Miller would be nice.



a proposal : after 9th february :

ORL get Crawford + Gravis + Fields + 1st NYK 2016 + 1st Brooklyn 2014 (BOS)
BOS get Afflalo + TH
Toronto get Nelson + Bogans + Olynyk

Orl get 2 first rd and 2 youngster, they also shed some money (4M), fields give them flexibility for next season.

Boston reinforce their wing. rondo/afflalo/Green it's pretty solid for now.


We grab two vet at pg and sg and a prospect PF/C. They all are team player.

KL/Nelson/Buycks
DD/Bogans/Stone
TR/Salmons/Novak
AJ/PP/Olynyk
JV/PP/Hayes
Looks like Crawford is on the move.....can not see Boston trading a nice asset in Olynyk for Afflalo who's 29 and seems out of place with the "retooling" youth movement on the Celtics.

Still disagree though, TR would be better off the bench as a sixth man. And Bankiz, you're the trade ninja....I'm sure if you wanted to move Deng here in the summer you'd make it work

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I'm a bit surprised RR hasn't gone yet though I guess to maximize his value he'll need to play for a bit
I think there's not much point to trade him, he's not hurting the tank. Even when he gets back, he will be rusty.

If they got a high lottery pick or a very high potential youngster, they'd have to look at it. But outside of that happening, he's still young enough to be part of their new core.
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Homer? That's silly. Drummond? Fuck Drummond - he's over rated and has some serious flaws - mainly his ft%, mid range game and his brain. D-mo needs PT as do a lot of players like him around the league - and he's far more proven a player than most college wannabes that come in the league lately. Truly, I'm not married to the player per se but the idea. AJ/PP/JV are great but hey, one injury then the team is screwed in the front court. For the last couple of years I've had a homer fest for Ily - I like the idea of a power 3 / stretch 4. I'm hoping he can be had with the mess of a team he's on though a 4/3 is not as important right now than a solid contributing 3. I also like the idea of a player like D-mo, stretch 4 and 5 and who's over 6'9" unlike anyone else in the front court not name JV. More spacing more spacing more spacing - makes the back court that much better. Surprisingly, I would like JS to stay - never thought I would say that after how he spurned the Raps but his play and strong vet presence has allowed me to forgive that.
Lithuanian homer.

Fuck Drummond? What a wise response. Drummond was a steal and has produced the same if not better than JV thus far. He has flaws obviously but strengths as well. I just used him as an example for age.

I know of your love for Ilyasova.

PP provides some spacing and if you want purely 3 point shooting Novak can be used in emergencies/if need be.

Salmons best attribute is his contract atm.

Although I understand of your concept of buying low on D-Mo and hopefully becoming a good 4th big - he's played terribly this season. Also, I don't know if Morey let's him go for a 2nd rounder. Morey isn't an idiot.
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i really like deng. but i don't see a plausible solution for us to get deng. i really think cleveland will offer him an extension.

another trade proposal relativly similare :
in 3 parts, after the 9th february :

a.
OKC get Hayes
toronto get Sefolosha

b.
ORL get Gravis + 2nd rd OKC
toronto get Harkless

c.
ORL get Perkins + Fields + Lamb + 1st 2014 OKC + 1st NYK 2016
OKC get Afflalo + Daye
TOR get Nelson + O'Quinn

Orlando get 3 first pick for Afflalo a young prospect sf. they can continue to rebuild by absorbing big contracts3

OKC reinforce their starting unit. and hayes as a backup center will remplace perkins with a cheaper contract.

Toronto get some expiring vet. sefolosha would be nice as a bckaup sg behind DD. good defender and solid 3pt shooter.

end season :
Lowry/Nelson/Buycks
DD/Sefolosha/Stone
TR/Salmons/Harkless
AJ/O'Quinn/Novak
JV/PP/TH

expiring : Lowry + sefolosha + Buycks + Stone = 11.7M
ungaranted : Salmons + Nelson = 16.2M
RFA : PP = 3.1M
that made 31M, that will put us about 18M under the cap.
sign PP to an extension of 26M/4yrs (with 14-15 actual contract) : 2014-15 : 4.4M
resign Lowry to a 40M/4yrs contract
resgin sefolosha to a 12M/3yrs
draft a pg with our first. (i trust Mu to be a solid pick)

summer 2014 :

Lowry/1st 2014
DD/Sefolosha
TR/Harkless/Novak
AJ/PP/O'Quinn
JV/TH

that make a solid core to go further.

i should ask Danh if we can exclude our own resigning to sign an FA or Two ?

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a.
OKC get Hayes
toronto get Sefolosha

b.
ORL get Gravis + 2nd rd OKC
toronto get Harkless
these two have zero chance of being accepted.
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i only seperate the trades because of the restriction on hayes and Gravis.
you can do the entire trade but only after the 9th february :

ORL get Gravis + Perkins + Fields + Lamb + 1ST Dal + 1st 2016 NYK + 2nd rd okc 2014 (tor)
OKC get Afflalo + Hayes + Daye
Toronto get Nelson + sefolosha + Harkless + O'quinn

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^ Horrible trade for OKC. Giving up way too many assets for Afflalo.
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^ Horrible trade for OKC. Giving up way too many assets for Afflalo.
not giving up much for a team trying to win now
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i only seperate the trades because of the restriction on hayes and Gravis.
you can do the entire trade but only after the 9th february :

ORL get Gravis + Perkins + Fields + Lamb + 1ST Dal + 1st 2016 NYK + 2nd rd okc 2014 (tor)
OKC get Afflalo + Hayes + Daye
Toronto get Nelson + sefolosha + Harkless + O'quinn
Why would OKC trade Perkins? They'll need him come playoff time.

And why would Orlando take on so much salary? Why would they trade Harkless?

And I don't see Toronto making this kind of trade. Sefolosha doesn't crack the rotation. Only Harkless is a nice addition.

I think OKC and Orlando could make a deal with one another involving Affalo. OKC could send Sefolosha, Lamb, and Dallas' 1st-round pick and land Affalo. As such, there's no need for them to include the Raptors.
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Why would OKC trade Perkins? They'll need him come playoff time.

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And I don't see Toronto making this kind of trade. Sefolosha doesn't crack the rotation. Only Harkless is a nice addition.
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