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Old 12-24-2013, 01:52 PM   #5421 (permalink)
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What do you guys think a top say, five, pick costs us at the draft? Assuming we continue to win and have a 15-18 pick.
Probably out of the Raptors reach in a trade.
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Old 12-25-2013, 12:42 AM   #5422 (permalink)
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Lowry + Hansbrough + 2nd for Harrison Barnes + Jermaine O'Neal (injured) + filler

Warriors do it because they really bolster their bench by adding a 6th man in Lowry, as well as a solid first big off the bench in Hansbrough, who can play some backup center.

Offer Monroe 12 million/year in the offseason.

Vasquez/Draft PG(Ennis?)/Trade PG (Shroeder?)
Demar/Ross
Barnes
Monroe/Amir
JV

Nice young core, and we'll also be set up to have some nice cap space in the summer of 2015, possibly enough for a max contract offer
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Old 12-25-2013, 12:48 PM   #5423 (permalink)
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Lowry + Hansbrough + 2nd for Harrison Barnes + Jermaine O'Neal (injured) + filler

Warriors do it because they really bolster their bench by adding a 6th man in Lowry, as well as a solid first big off the bench in Hansbrough, who can play some backup center.

Offer Monroe 12 million/year in the offseason.

Vasquez/Draft PG(Ennis?)/Trade PG (Shroeder?)
Demar/Ross
Barnes
Monroe/Amir
JV

Nice young core, and we'll also be set up to have some nice cap space in the summer of 2015, possibly enough for a max contract offer
If you were GSW would you do that? Please-be honest. GSW won't give up an asset like Barnes for a rental. If GSW were legit 1st to 4th in the West and they felt that KL could help notch them a title or go to the Finals, then sure-but they're not.
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If you were GSW would you do that? Please-be honest. GSW won't give up an asset like Barnes for a rental. If GSW were legit 1st to 4th in the West and they felt that KL could help notch them a title or go to the Finals, then sure-but they're not.
Depends how well they think each player fits in their system, but the Warriors bench is definitely their biggest weakness this season and Kyle could contribute more than JJ did for them last season. I have no doubt they would do the deal if it was Kyle + Amir, but I think we should try to hold onto Amir at all costs. I honestly think this deal has potential, maybe we might need to sweeten it a little.
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Old 12-25-2013, 04:15 PM   #5425 (permalink)
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NOP get Lowry + TH + 2nd rd okc 2014 + 2nd rd sac 2014
TOR get Aminu + Roberts + Withey + Money



GV/Roberts/Buycks
DD/Salmons/Stone
TR/Aminu/Fields
AJ/Patterson/Novak
JV/Hayes/Withey
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Old 12-25-2013, 04:50 PM   #5426 (permalink)
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NOP get Lowry + TH + 2nd rd okc 2014 + 2nd rd sac 2014
TOR get Aminu + Roberts + Withey + Money



GV/Roberts/Buycks
DD/Salmons/Stone
TR/Aminu/Fields
AJ/Patterson/Novak
JV/Hayes/Withey
So we loose TH, picks and Lowry for 2 expirings (who aren't very good) and a center who is never going to play. What's the point? I know it's Christmas, but I don't think we should be giving presents to Pelicans
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Old 12-25-2013, 05:14 PM   #5427 (permalink)
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Yep, I wouldn't do it. I don't dislike any of those players, all of them would be decent somewhere on the Raptors bench. But I'd much rather wait till the trade deadline and see if the Knicks change their minds, or if some other team gives something decent for Lowry.

Also, I value Sacramento's 2nd round pick more than that whole package. It will likely be in the 31-40 range. That's a great spot for getting steals. Unlike late 1st round picks, people drafted in that range generally don't get guaranteed salary. So if they don't work out, you just cut them with no damage to your cap flexibility, and if they work out, you have a good player on a very cheap contract for many years.
Historically around 3 out of every 10 players picked in that range become solid rotation players, with an occasional Chandler Parsons and Nikola Pekovic.
It may not work out once, twice, but eventually if you keep valuing and collecting those picks, you'll get someone solid and all the misses will pay off. Low risk, high reward.
That pick is about as valuable as a late 1st rounder, IMO.
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:04 PM   #5428 (permalink)
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Brooklyn: Kyle Lowry + Amir Johnson + Spencer Hawes

Philly: Brook Lopez + Mason Plumlee

Toronto: Thaddeus Young + Pelicans 2014 First Rounder

Sixers get in better tank position by giving up Young and Hawes, but grab a solid prospect in Plumlee and a Star Center in Brook Lopez, who will be ready to play for them next year, alongside Noel and their 2014 lotto pick. The Nets add a lot of depth, with Lowry as a 6th man, who can take some minutes from WIlliams and Hawes + Amir as a big boost to their depth and froncourt. Replacing Lopez with the production of Amir and Hawes should really shore up their defense and rebounding, without losing too much on the offensive end. Not to mention both players are pretty durable and more consistent. The Raptors get a nice young forward in Thaddeus Young, as well as what will likely be a top 12 lotto pick in the Pelicans 2014 First Rounder.
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:09 PM   #5429 (permalink)
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it is christmas ! Happy Christmas !

Seriously, i wasn't finish. i click by mistake. we were discussing the trade with a friend and champs on hand, so sorry ; that's what we came up finally :

A. in january :
ORL get Lowry + Lamb + 1st OKC 2014 + 1st NYK 2016 (+ 1st Dallas 2014 ?)
TOR get Nicholson + Perkins + Jackson
OKC get Afflalo + TH + Buycks


B. just before the deadline :
SAS get Hayes
TOR get Bonner + Joseph

C. draft night :
Trade Jackson + TR + Amir + 1st TOR 2014 to the team whom own the wiggins pick

GV/Joseph
DD/Salmons/Stone
Wiggins/Fields/Novak
Nicholson/Patterson/Bonnrt
JV/Perkins

We get young assets and vets.
Some young canadians too.

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Old 12-25-2013, 07:21 PM   #5430 (permalink)
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No one is trading a top three pick this year unless it's for a super star. Any team with a top 3 pick almost has a guaranteed future franchise player.
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Also, OKC has no reason to do that trade.. They are already a top team, why bother possibly screwing up what they already have going?
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:33 PM   #5432 (permalink)
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Also, OKC has no reason to do that trade.. They are already a top team, why bother possibly screwing up what they already have going?
Adding to Afflalo would be huge for them. Currently imo they aren't a championship team.
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I don't see why they would give up their starting center, back up PG and SG for a player that would need to come off the bench to do the role which Jeremy Lamb is already doing ( and improving on). They have no reason to blow up their supporting cast like that.
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:50 PM   #5434 (permalink)
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I also agree OKC wouldn't do it, considering the picks plus the bench they tear apart. Also I don't think SAS does that part of the deal either. Not that it's a steal or anything, but they seem to like Joseph for the little bit he plays.
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Old 12-25-2013, 08:27 PM   #5435 (permalink)
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Don't really like it for New York but they could be desperate enough to do it, thoughts?
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Old 12-25-2013, 08:36 PM   #5436 (permalink)
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Don't really like it for New York but they could be desperate enough to do it, thoughts?
Good value for everyone except Houston.
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Good value for everyone except Houston.
what if you would look at the trade not as Raptor fan (because we all hate Bargs). They get a starting stretch 4 and very good energy bench player in Crowder. Maybe add pick from Dallas, but Im not sure Mavs would agree.
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Old 12-25-2013, 08:53 PM   #5438 (permalink)
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I don't like it for New York and Houston, love it for Dallas and Toronto.
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yep
A. tricky, for sure.
To us, Orlando get a solid expiring PG, a young sg backup, make room for Oladipo, and take some picks
OKC get an exceptionnal sg/contract wise. and adams will take the center starting job.
TH is a solid addition to their frontcourt.

B. SAS get a solid defender Center and they give up one of their bench guard and an expiring PF.

C. Wishfull thinking. but i will be thrill to see a team like this one :

GV/Jackson/Joseph
DD/Salmons/Stone
TR/1st/Fields/Novak
AJ/AN/Patterson
JV/Perkins
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Old 12-25-2013, 09:03 PM   #5440 (permalink)
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I think Hayes isn't worth expirings.

PS: if OKC isn't a championship caliber team, then there may be no championship caliber teams in the NBA..

That said, I like Afflalo to OKC. And I suspect that's about the price that Orlando would ask. But OKC would refuse, I think. Reggie Jackson is a young starting caliber point, then Lamb and pick. I can see why Orlando would ask for that much but it's a lot for OKC to give up.

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