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Old 12-11-2013, 09:14 PM   #5321 (permalink)
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I like that direction but it looks pricey. They could probably buy two afflalos for that much.
Touche. What if we added a 2nd rounder and a bunch of protections on the OKC pick? I've heard OKC want a SG who's ready now.
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Touche. What if we added a 2nd rounder and a bunch of protections on the OKC pick? I've heard OKC want a SG who's ready now.
you'd have to take a pick out.... they can just go get afflalo if not. You're asking for too much.
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you'd have to take a pick out.... they can just go get afflalo if not. You're asking for too much.
Yeah I was being greedy there. would they do it without TH though? I added TH cuz I assumed they would want a big back.
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Moving Lowry in a package with Amir makes the most sense to me. The Bulls may even be interested if we can take enough salary off their hands. They are tax-payers right now and would probably love to get below that threshold. Either that or they are competing this year and would be interested in Lowry’s services, but judging by the DJA signing, they are dropping out of the race.

Assuming they are throwing the season, the following deal saves them a lot of money. They are currently $8,818,834 over the tax.

CHI sends Boozer (15.3M), Hinrich (4.1M), Deng (14.3M), CHI 2014 1st rounder, CHA 2014 1st rounder, CHI 2014 2nd rounder (total salary $33,634,000)

TOR sends Lowry (6.2M), Johnson (6.5M), Fields (6.25M), Hansbrough (3.2M), Stone (0.8M), Daye (.9M) (total salary $23,975,200)

CHI can do the trade because they have less salary coming back. TOR can do the trade by breaking it up into two transactions. Hinrich gets absorbed into the TPE created by the Gay trade (4.6M size). The Raptors’ outgoing salary of 24M yields a maximum return of 125% or $30.1M – which fits the total $29.6M owed to Deng and Boozer.

CHI would have to waive two players on their current roster for the trade to go through. Assuming they waive James and Mohammed. That leaves them with 15 players. They save 9.7 million in this deal. That puts them below the tax threshold. That means they save the 9.7, as well as the tax bill on it (14.15M), plus get to receive a share of the tax being a non-taxpayer (about 2-3 M). That’s a total savings of about 26 million. That’s not including the money they save from waiving James and from potentially waiving Stone (an additional ~1.5M). Plus they then have gone 2 of 3 years out of the tax, putting a nice buffer on the repeater rate they otherwise would be looking at paying pretty soon.

Then next year, they save another 2.3 million if they waive Hansbrough and Daye, plus they have the expiring contracts of Amir and Fields (both useful players and great trade chips at that point).

Another great point for them is that CHI can structure it as Boozer + Hinrich for Raps players (19.4M * 1.25 = 24.3M) and Deng for nothing, meaning they get a TPE for 14.3 M. This would allow them to do a sign and trade for a max level player in the summer if they wiggle a bit to avoid the tax apron. Which should be easy, as the Raps aren’t asking for any picks past 2014, so in the summer they are free to trade any of their picks for flexibility or as part of the S+T.

Raps get bumped up to a total salary of 78 million, yielding a tax payment of 9.7M. So the move costs them about 21 million.

I like it. CHI loses no assets except the picks. Gains flexibility in the short and long term. TOR loses money and established talent, as well as cap flexibility next season, keep DD as a further trade chip or keeper, and gains two 2014 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder.

I gotta say, I feel pretty great about getting that all to fit together. Get er done Masai. This is just the sort of deal deep-pockets ownership should be approving to put this franchise ahead of the game.
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:32 AM   #5325 (permalink)
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Yeah, what he said! ^

Like Cleveland did, be willing to absorb salary for high picks.....
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Old 12-12-2013, 01:19 PM   #5326 (permalink)
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What do you guys think about this trade:
Lowry + Amir + Fields + Novak + Casey (TOR) for Gasol + Blake (LAL)

LAL is not going to tank this season, as Kobe is back. So they will definitely need some talented players for this season However, Raptors is all about tanking + clearing salaries, so we would do anything to clear away Fields & Novak.

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Moving Lowry in a package with Amir makes the most sense to me. The Bulls may even be interested if we can take enough salary off their hands. They are tax-payers right now and would probably love to get below that threshold. Either that or they are competing this year and would be interested in Lowry’s services, but judging by the DJA signing, they are dropping out of the race.

Assuming they are throwing the season, the following deal saves them a lot of money. They are currently $8,818,834 over the tax.

CHI sends Boozer (15.3M), Hinrich (4.1M), Deng (14.3M), CHI 2014 1st rounder, CHA 2014 1st rounder, CHI 2014 2nd rounder (total salary $33,634,000)

TOR sends Lowry (6.2M), Johnson (6.5M), Fields (6.25M), Hansbrough (3.2M), Stone (0.8M), Daye (.9M) (total salary $23,975,200)

CHI can do the trade because they have less salary coming back. TOR can do the trade by breaking it up into two transactions. Hinrich gets absorbed into the TPE created by the Gay trade (4.6M size). The Raptors’ outgoing salary of 24M yields a maximum return of 125% or $30.1M – which fits the total $29.6M owed to Deng and Boozer.

CHI would have to waive two players on their current roster for the trade to go through. Assuming they waive James and Mohammed. That leaves them with 15 players. They save 9.7 million in this deal. That puts them below the tax threshold. That means they save the 9.7, as well as the tax bill on it (14.15M), plus get to receive a share of the tax being a non-taxpayer (about 2-3 M). That’s a total savings of about 26 million. That’s not including the money they save from waiving James and from potentially waiving Stone (an additional ~1.5M). Plus they then have gone 2 of 3 years out of the tax, putting a nice buffer on the repeater rate they otherwise would be looking at paying pretty soon.

Then next year, they save another 2.3 million if they waive Hansbrough and Daye, plus they have the expiring contracts of Amir and Fields (both useful players and great trade chips at that point).

Another great point for them is that CHI can structure it as Boozer + Hinrich for Raps players (19.4M * 1.25 = 24.3M) and Deng for nothing, meaning they get a TPE for 14.3 M. This would allow them to do a sign and trade for a max level player in the summer if they wiggle a bit to avoid the tax apron. Which should be easy, as the Raps aren’t asking for any picks past 2014, so in the summer they are free to trade any of their picks for flexibility or as part of the S+T.

Raps get bumped up to a total salary of 78 million, yielding a tax payment of 9.7M. So the move costs them about 21 million.

I like it. CHI loses no assets except the picks. Gains flexibility in the short and long term. TOR loses money and established talent, as well as cap flexibility next season, keep DD as a further trade chip or keeper, and gains two 2014 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder.

I gotta say, I feel pretty great about getting that all to fit together. Get er done Masai. This is just the sort of deal deep-pockets ownership should be approving to put this franchise ahead of the game.
that is some high-level shit right there! reckon a lot of GMs in the league aren't capable of coming up with that, creatively or knowing the rules(ly.)
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Old 12-12-2013, 01:25 PM   #5328 (permalink)
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Moving Lowry in a package with Amir makes the most sense to me. The Bulls may even be interested if we can take enough salary off their hands. They are tax-payers right now and would probably love to get below that threshold. Either that or they are competing this year and would be interested in Lowry’s services, but judging by the DJA signing, they are dropping out of the race.

Assuming they are throwing the season, the following deal saves them a lot of money. They are currently $8,818,834 over the tax.

CHI sends Boozer (15.3M), Hinrich (4.1M), Deng (14.3M), CHI 2014 1st rounder, CHA 2014 1st rounder, CHI 2014 2nd rounder (total salary $33,634,000)

TOR sends Lowry (6.2M), Johnson (6.5M), Fields (6.25M), Hansbrough (3.2M), Stone (0.8M), Daye (.9M) (total salary $23,975,200)

CHI can do the trade because they have less salary coming back. TOR can do the trade by breaking it up into two transactions. Hinrich gets absorbed into the TPE created by the Gay trade (4.6M size). The Raptors’ outgoing salary of 24M yields a maximum return of 125% or $30.1M – which fits the total $29.6M owed to Deng and Boozer.

CHI would have to waive two players on their current roster for the trade to go through. Assuming they waive James and Mohammed. That leaves them with 15 players. They save 9.7 million in this deal. That puts them below the tax threshold. That means they save the 9.7, as well as the tax bill on it (14.15M), plus get to receive a share of the tax being a non-taxpayer (about 2-3 M). That’s a total savings of about 26 million. That’s not including the money they save from waiving James and from potentially waiving Stone (an additional ~1.5M). Plus they then have gone 2 of 3 years out of the tax, putting a nice buffer on the repeater rate they otherwise would be looking at paying pretty soon.

Then next year, they save another 2.3 million if they waive Hansbrough and Daye, plus they have the expiring contracts of Amir and Fields (both useful players and great trade chips at that point).

Another great point for them is that CHI can structure it as Boozer + Hinrich for Raps players (19.4M * 1.25 = 24.3M) and Deng for nothing, meaning they get a TPE for 14.3 M. This would allow them to do a sign and trade for a max level player in the summer if they wiggle a bit to avoid the tax apron. Which should be easy, as the Raps aren’t asking for any picks past 2014, so in the summer they are free to trade any of their picks for flexibility or as part of the S+T.

Raps get bumped up to a total salary of 78 million, yielding a tax payment of 9.7M. So the move costs them about 21 million.

I like it. CHI loses no assets except the picks. Gains flexibility in the short and long term. TOR loses money and established talent, as well as cap flexibility next season, keep DD as a further trade chip or keeper, and gains two 2014 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder.

I gotta say, I feel pretty great about getting that all to fit together. Get er done Masai. This is just the sort of deal deep-pockets ownership should be approving to put this franchise ahead of the game.
I don't think they would give up than many picks to save on taxes. I'm sure they could just trade Boozer, and Deng without giving up picks
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Old 12-12-2013, 01:56 PM   #5329 (permalink)
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I don't think they would give up than many picks to save on taxes. I'm sure they could just trade Boozer, and Deng without giving up picks
The benefit in this particular trade is that with Amir and Lowry they can probably make the playoffs this year (that revenue is pretty important to historically cheap owners like Chicago's). They also generate a TPE that could be used in a S+T for a max level player next year to pair with Rose.

Any other move to dump Boozer's salary probably means they miss the playoffs. Also, good luck finding a taker for Boozer's salary without including at least a pick. They were willing to trade him for Bargs, if you recall.

I'd still do the deal for only the best of their two picks (Raps' choice at the draft) and a couple 2nd rounders.
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The benefit in this particular trade is that with Amir and Lowry they can probably make the playoffs this year (that revenue is pretty important to historically cheap owners like Chicago's). They also generate a TPE that could be used in a S+T for a max level player next year to pair with Rose.

Any other move to dump Boozer's salary probably means they miss the playoffs. Also, good luck finding a taker for Boozer's salary without including at least a pick. They were willing to trade him for Bargs, if you recall.

I'd still do the deal for only the best of their two picks (Raps' choice at the draft) and a couple 2nd rounders.
Good luck trying trading Bargs for Boozer now, If we managed to trade Gay without any picks, they can trade Boozer too.
Deng is a good player and expiring so him alone should bring better or similar value to Lowry+Amir.
I just don't think Chicago is one of the teams that would throw in multiple picks to dump salary, especially having in mind that those players are very tradable
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Good luck trying trading Bargs for Boozer now, If we managed to trade Gay without any picks, they can trade Boozer too.
Deng is a good player and expiring so him alone should bring better or similar value to Lowry+Amir.
I just don't think Chicago is one of the teams that would throw in multiple picks to dump salary, especially having in mind that those players are very tradable
The thing is that CHI historically has been one of the cheapest ownership groups in the sport. Up until recently with Rose they balked at going into the tax.

Boozer is not very tradeable. They've been looking for a taker for him for two years now. Deng is tradeable, but only if they are willing to take back salary, which I doubt they are.
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I love that deal. I have a similar but smaller one-Boozer, MT, 1 or 2 1sts for Amir, Salmons and Lowry. We all know about Salmons' 1 mil guaranteed next season. At least 1 1st would have to come to TO. MT or another small contract would have to come to TO. If Chicago has too many players they can cut James or Mohammed.
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hey Dan, are there any restrictions on trading players we've just traded for?
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G-state, Knicks, and some other team are apparantly interested in Lowry (I didn't hear the 3rd, it was on tim&sid) Who from G-state could we get?
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G-state, Knicks, and some other team are apparantly interested in Lowry (I didn't hear the 3rd, it was on tim&sid) Who from G-state could we get?
I suspect the Knicks would be a much better trade partner, they are more desperate and they need Lowry as a starter. Surprised that GSW are in those discussions at all, if there's truth to the rumor.
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G-state, Knicks, and some other team are apparantly interested in Lowry (I didn't hear the 3rd, it was on tim&sid) Who from G-state could we get?
Nets, already posted
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hey Dan, are there any restrictions on trading players we've just traded for?
Can be traded right away, but can't be combined to take back a bigger salary for 2 months.
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Can be traded right away, but can't be combined to take back a bigger salary for 2 months.
Just read that on Coon's CBAfaq page.
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Just read that on Coon's CBAfaq page.
Best place to look for almost any CBA question.
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Is this as realistic as Dan's?
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