The Official RF Trade Proposal Thread - Page 265
Old 12-09-2013, 01:10 PM   #5281 (permalink)
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How about this..

SAC gets: Gay, Gray, Acy

TOR gets: Vasquez, Patterson, Salmons and Hayes

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That looks good for both teams, IMO.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:35 PM   #5282 (permalink)
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In reviewing the possible destinations for Kyle Lowry, I came up with the following teams where he would start:

Chicago, LA Lakers, New York

And other possible destinations who could use him as a 6th man:

Minnesota, Washington

I suppose you could throw Milwaukee in the mix too because their management is terrible and Lowry would fit in the disjointed nature of their team, but I wont since they already seem committed to seeing what they have in Knight, then they have Ridnour and Wolters behind him.

Here's what I found with regard to the possible teams that could trade for Lowry to start him:

CHI trades: Hinrich, future 1st
TOR trades: Lowry

Lowry for Hinrich works straight up, but we get no value back since Hinrich has no upside(but is expiring). On the flip side, it's hard to see the Bulls wanting to trade a 1st rounder for a rental, so this may put CHI out of the running, unless they just trade a 2014 pick plus their TPE straight up for Lowry which I dont think works anyway. So I guess that eliminates CHI as a Lowry landing spot.

LAL trades: Chris Kaman, 2014 1st round pick
TOR trades: Kyle Lowry

Again, it's hard to see us getting a 2014 1st rounder for Lowry so this trade is unlikely, so I went back and did this instead:

LAL trades: Xavier Henry, Chris Kaman
TOR trades: Kyle Lowry

I think this trade makes a lot of sense for both sides, as TOR gets a good prospect back for Lowry, and LAL gets a starting PG back who will be a very good fit with Kobe. Lakers have a log jam at SG/SF right now with Meeks, Kobe, Young, Johnson, and Henry, and no starting caliber PG. It just depends on how much the Lakers value Henry, who has shown good improvement this year.

New York has nothing of substance to give us besides Shumpert, and it would have to be a 3 team deal that would include Felton, as I cant see Masai taking back Feltons 2 more years on his deal without a 1st round pick, something the Knicks dont have for a few seasons. So the Knicks can be crossed off the list unless its a 3 team deal.

TOR trades: Lowry, Hansbrough
MIN trades: Barea, Cunningham, 2014 1st

Another scenario where it's unlikely that MIN gives up their 1st round pick for a rental, but they'd get a nice upgrade in Lowry as their 6th man, who would be able to play with a tall PG like Rubio.

Lastly, I couldnt configure a trade with WAS that worked under the salary cap involving Maynor coming back to us, with a future 1st rd pick(2014 1st went to PHX in Gortat deal), but I could see WAS trying to upgrade their putrid bench, and also allow Wall to rest a bit more since hes playing a ridiculous amount of minutes right now. They're also in win now mode so a trade for Lowry would make sense.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:48 PM   #5283 (permalink)
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Maybe flip all our bad contracts to absorb Amare?

Salmons (Non-Guaranteed) + Hayes + Fields for Amare + Shumpert

Knicks get a little more, depth, rebounding, and veteran leadership. Meanwhile, we unload some unneeded parts, while grabbing a young piece moving forward.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:52 PM   #5284 (permalink)
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Maybe flip all our bad contracts to absorb Amare?

Salmons (Non-Guaranteed) + Hayes + Fields for Amare + Shumpert

Knicks get a little more, depth, rebounding, and veteran leadership. Meanwhile, we unload some unneeded parts, while grabbing a young piece moving forward.
That's just dumb. We just got rid of Gay's huge contract, and you want to trade for Amare's huger contract?
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:59 PM   #5285 (permalink)
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That's just dumb. We just got rid of Gay's huge contract, and you want to trade for Amare's huger contract?
We're rebuilding and not gonna go after any big pieces this summer, anyways, especially since we wouldn't have much cap space to begin with. Plus, it'll be a huge expiring in the 2014-2015 season.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:02 PM   #5286 (permalink)
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We're rebuilding and not gonna go after any big pieces this summer, anyways, especially since we wouldn't have much cap space to begin with. Plus, it'll be a huge expiring in the 2014-2015 season.
We have huge cap space now that Gay's contract is gone. You're not making sense.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:18 PM   #5287 (permalink)
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We have huge cap space now that Gay's contract is gone. You're not making sense.
I don't know what you're definition of huge is, but Hayes is still on the books for next year, and I doubt we'd don't extend Vasquez and Patterson qualifying offers, unless they're traded. We're in a better situation for sure, but nothing to realling give us any leverage on any of the bigger free agents, especially considering we'd likely have to overpay for them.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:25 PM   #5288 (permalink)
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I don't know what you're definition of huge is, but Hayes is still on the books for next year, and I doubt we'd don't extend Vasquez and Patterson qualifying offers, unless they're traded. We're in a better situation for sure, but nothing to realling give us any leverage on any of the bigger free agents, especially considering we'd likely have to overpay for them.
Patterson and Vasquez are on rookie contracts. If we can't re-sign them at a price that works for us, we move them. We have flexibility now. We didn't with Gay's contract and for sure not with Amare.
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Patterson and Vasquez are on rookie contracts. If we can't re-sign them at a price that works for us, we move them. We have flexibility now. We didn't with Gay's contract and for sure not with Amare.
What I'm saying is that while we do have a lot more flexibility, we still don't have enough to be a big player when it comes to any notable free agents, so IMO its not really a big deal taking on another big contract for an extra year, if it means grabbing a solid young piece. But it's pretty obvious were just going to have to agree to disagree here
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:34 PM   #5290 (permalink)
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What I'm saying is that while we do have a lot more flexibility, we still don't have enough to be a big player when it comes to any notable free agents, so IMO its not really a big deal taking on another big contract for an extra year, if it means grabbing a solid young piece. But it's pretty obvious were just going to have to agree to disagree here
Who say's Masai wants to be a big player in free agency? He hasn't before.

Your basing your argument on what you want the team to do.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:36 PM   #5291 (permalink)
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Maybe flip all our bad contracts to absorb Amare?

Salmons (Non-Guaranteed) + Hayes + Fields for Amare + Shumpert

Knicks get a little more, depth, rebounding, and veteran leadership. Meanwhile, we unload some unneeded parts, while grabbing a young piece moving forward.
It's the Knicks. They add money and give away picks in hopes to win more games. This deal saves them money and downgrades their players. Nothing about this deal sounds like the Knicks.

Besides, they'd still be far over tax, they still would have no flexibility next year (assuming Melo stays), their team would be worse... there's just nothing about this deal that they would like.

It's a nice deal for Denver though, since they have the Knicks pick.
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Memphis really hurting with injuries now, could see them using one of our wings/point guards.... maybe Salmons or Fields even.
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Old 12-11-2013, 03:11 AM   #5293 (permalink)
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ok this trade has us taking on big contracts, but we get picks.

Trade 1
Amir and Novak to the Rockets
Asik to Toronto

Trade 2
Asik to the Thunder
Perkins + OKC 1st and Mavs 1st to toronto

Trade 3
Lowry and Patterson to Chicago
Boozer and Bobcats 1st + Chi 1st to Toronto.

Why?
Rockets give up asik who isnt doing much because of dwight and get not only Amir, who will compliment Howard, but also novak who can play 10-15 min and stretch the floor

Thunder get a Center who could help them dominate all the way to the finals, something they have been missing. They also get rid of Perkins contract, and give up their late 1st and the dallas first round pick.

Chicago
They are desperate for a pg, Kirk played horrible today, and are looking at people like DJ. Lowry would thrive in that system, and patterson is servicable at the 4 spot. They also get rid of boozers contract, give up their pick which would be pick 24 or later probably, and the bobcats pick, which would be between 15-20 if they make the playoffs. We could luck out and get a pick 11-14 if they dont make the playoffs.

This might put us at the cap, but I believe masai can move these players for smaller pieces next summer if need be. But we also get lots of picks, and it puts us in the tank.

We end up giving up:
Amir, Lowry, Novak, Patterson

Getting:
Bobcats 1st, Boozer, Chi 1st, Perkins, OKC 1st, Dallas 1st.

That is 5 first round picks this year including ours. Lets says cats get the 15th pick, OKC gets the 27th pick, Mavs get the 23rd pick and Chi gets the 24th pick. We can probably combine those for the 10 pick.

Lets say we get lucky and do get wiggins, and use the 10th pick on aaron gordon.

Vasquez/Buycks
Demar/Ross
Wiggins/Ross
Gordan/Boozer/TH
JV/Perkins/Hayes
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Memphis really hurting with injuries now, could see them using one of our wings/point guards.... maybe Salmons or Fields even.
yeah they'll hand you back a steaming piece of turd back for them.
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Chicago is not dealing the Charlotte 1st for a rental of Lowry
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KL, Amir, Salmons for Boozer, Rights to Mirotic and Charlotte's pick and/or theirs. Regarding the flipping of Asik - can that be done during the season? Also - Houston has said they want something pretty good for him.
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Chicago is not dealing the Charlotte 1st for a rental of Lowry
Give them Amir as well and they might.
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Chicago is not dealing the Charlotte 1st for a rental of Lowry
It is also to get rid of boozers contract.
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I could be wrong but I think that they'll keep that pick and use it in a larger deal with guys like Mirotic to bring a top level guy, not somebody like Lowry or Amir.
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I could be wrong but I think that they'll keep that pick and use it in a larger deal with guys like Mirotic to bring a top level guy, not somebody like Lowry or Amir.
It all depends if they are competing this year, they look pretty desperate for a pg. Maybe forget both picks, and just the right to choose between the bobcats and their pick. keep in mind the bobcats pick is top 10 protected
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