The Official RF Trade Proposal Thread

jeffb · 07-22-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MangoKidHoops

You're willing to give up assets for a guy who won't even stick around after 2 years? Yeah, real smart.

And to top it off, The Hornets won't give up Peja, they'll want to stick Okafor in any deal with Paul. They'll also want more than Derozan and Belinelli. It would have to be AT LEAST Davis, DeRozan, our pick unprotected this coming year, Miami's pick, Jack, expirings and a TPE.

So in one sentence you say we'd be giving up assets, then say it wouldn't be enough?

MangoKidHoops · 07-22-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

So in one sentence you say we'd be giving up assets, then say it wouldn't be enough?

Regardless if it's enough or not, they're still assets. I don't understand how it's so hard for you to comprehend that.

MangoKidHoops · 07-22-2010, 11:45 AM

Those assets can be turned into something else other than a 2-year rental.

jeffb · 07-22-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MangoKidHoops

Those assets can be turned into something else other than a 2-year rental.

Dude this whole thread is a fantasy camp. Relax (didn't you say that somewhere else?)

MangoKidHoops · 07-22-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Dude this whole thread is a fantasy camp. Relax (didn't you say that somewhere else?)

My job is to play devil's advocate and shoot down your wack proposals. And I love my job.

jeffb · 07-22-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MangoKidHoops

My job is to play devil's advocate and shoot down your wack proposals. And I love my job.

Job? What's the pay, i might be interested or do you work alone? hehe

MangoKidHoops · 07-22-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Job? What's the pay, i might be interested or do you work alone? hehe

Pay is satisfaction. That's plenty of salary for me.

MikeToronto · 07-22-2010, 12:17 PM

On Paul - what did we get for Carter? What, exactly, has any team whose franchise player demanded a trade mid-contract ever gotten back?

The Hornets are against the wall here and Paul is the one holding all the cards, as we have found out with Vince. Unless Hornets' next GM (and good luck finding the next Babcock willing to take on that sinking ship now) has the cajones to tell Paul "shut up and play or we will suspend you without pay", they will have to take whatever the best package is among the teams CP would like to play for. Toronto is not one of those teams and unless BC somehow hypnotizes Paul into adding the Raps to that list, nothing will ever transpire there.

MangoKidHoops · 07-22-2010, 12:32 PM

The difference between Paul and Vince is that Paul hasn't decreased his value by playing half-assed. I think you'll see Otis Smith try to put together an offer that trumps New York's.

Low_Block · 07-22-2010, 12:38 PM

Gortat that is the trade we need to do not chris paul we need a center to put next to andrea........................

MikeToronto · 07-22-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MangoKidHoops

The difference between Paul and Vince is that Paul hasn't decreased his value by playing half-assed. I think you'll see Otis Smith try to put together an offer that trumps New York's.

Do you really think Vince has decreased his value back then? He has decreased our ability to get a better package for him, but not because of his half-assed attitude, but because of his public trade demands, same thing that Paul is doing, IMO.

Bankiz · 07-22-2010, 01:22 PM

don't you think BC can snap a trade with one of the team who can have Paul.

Give them TPE and some cheap player (not weems please) and recover a good 3 maybe like batum at portland.

dfunkie1 · 07-22-2010, 01:45 PM

not weems? not fucking weems! someone sic a dog on my face holy shit! what is with everyone and sonny weems? what is it that i'm missing?

jeffb · 07-22-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bankiz

don't you think BC can snap a trade with one of the team who can have Paul.

Give them TPE and some cheap player (not weems please) and recover a good 3 maybe like batum at portland.

Not Weems please. I like him too, but this guy is talked about as if he`s the next MJ.

If we can get Batum and give up Weems to do it, i'd drive him to the airport myself.

MangoKidHoops · 07-22-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeToronto

Do you really think Vince has decreased his value back then? He has decreased our ability to get a better package for him, but not because of his half-assed attitude, but because of his public trade demands, same thing that Paul is doing, IMO.

Look at Vince's stats when he left Toronto. I think he was averaging something like 14-15 ppg, which is far below his career average. It's not like Vince was the best at his position at the time. Paul never dogged it on the court. He never lowered his value that way. When you think about it, he requested a trade to certain teams. So right then and there, you'd know that he would like to stay long term with that particular team. You know that he would almost certainly re-up with that team. Therefore, you wouldn't be getting Paul for 2 years, you'd be getting him for much longer. So in turn, teams are going to be in competition for him and would try to outdo each other with the attempts of putting forth a better offer.

LX · 07-22-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MangoKidHoops

Pay is satisfaction. That's plenty of salary for me.

I was thinking it would be under 30k while living your mother's basement.

Kirby · 07-22-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by •LX•

I was thinking it would be under 30k while living your mother's basement.

Bwahahha!
I saw the original post by Mango. Nice one

dukebauer · 07-22-2010, 05:09 PM

RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Kahn Admits Wolves Expect To Trade PG

dukebauer · 07-22-2010, 05:12 PM

Would the asking price be too high? With Rubio possibly joining the Wolves in the next couple seasons, the Wolves will have an abundance of PG's (Sessions, Ridnour) why doesn't Colangelo take a stab at Flynn?

Snooch · 07-22-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MangoKidHoops

1. That's a horrible deal for the Hornets. You're giving up a franchise player and trying to sell seats with what? A TPE? Ed Davis? New York or Orlando can give them a better deal.

2. It's also a horrible deal for the Raptors. Giving up expirings, TPEs and picks for a guy who's only gonna be here for 2 years? That's not a very solid move.

on the first part, teams dont usually get a great return for a player when said player requests to be traded

on the second, I said if Paul thought Toronto would be a cool place to play, and I implied him staying past 2 years.

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07-22-2010, 11:45 AM	#503 (permalink)
MangoKidHoops is saying too many dudes are Tyson Chandler, trying to lead their teams and went nowhere Scarborough, We Go Hard.. Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 6,916 Representing:	Those assets can be turned into something else other than a 2-year rental.

07-22-2010, 12:17 PM	#508 (permalink)
MikeToronto is Gam zeh ya'avor The Gatekeeper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,507 Representing:	On Paul - what did we get for Carter? What, exactly, has any team whose franchise player demanded a trade mid-contract ever gotten back? The Hornets are against the wall here and Paul is the one holding all the cards, as we have found out with Vince. Unless Hornets' next GM (and good luck finding the next Babcock willing to take on that sinking ship now) has the cajones to tell Paul "shut up and play or we will suspend you without pay", they will have to take whatever the best package is among the teams CP would like to play for. Toronto is not one of those teams and unless BC somehow hypnotizes Paul into adding the Raps to that list, nothing will ever transpire there.

07-22-2010, 12:32 PM	#509 (permalink)
MangoKidHoops is saying too many dudes are Tyson Chandler, trying to lead their teams and went nowhere Scarborough, We Go Hard.. Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 6,916 Representing:	The difference between Paul and Vince is that Paul hasn't decreased his value by playing half-assed. I think you'll see Otis Smith try to put together an offer that trumps New York's.

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Low_Block is merry x-mas Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Representing:	Gortat that is the trade we need to do not chris paul we need a center to put next to andrea........................

07-22-2010, 01:22 PM	#512 (permalink)
Bankiz is making funny and strange dark trade in his mind !!! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,798 Representing:	don't you think BC can snap a trade with one of the team who can have Paul. Give them TPE and some cheap player (not weems please) and recover a good 3 maybe like batum at portland.

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dfunkie1 is pounding ur mom Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 5,465 Representing:	not weems? not fucking weems! someone sic a dog on my face holy shit! what is with everyone and sonny weems? what is it that i'm missing?

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dukebauer is theREALgm Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 15 Representing:	Would the asking price be too high? With Rubio possibly joining the Wolves in the next couple seasons, the Wolves will have an abundance of PG's (Sessions, Ridnour) why doesn't Colangelo take a stab at Flynn?