The Official RF Trade Proposal Thread - Page 248
Old 11-05-2013, 04:15 PM   #4941 (permalink)
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A million times yes on that deal. Can't see the other teams agreeing, but yes, please.
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Old 11-05-2013, 04:16 PM   #4942 (permalink)
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i love it for us! not good enough for celtics imo.
I think it would be enough, but if not I would be willing to sacrifice 2014 pick to make this happen
Imo that team would be very exciting
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Old 11-05-2013, 04:20 PM   #4943 (permalink)
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Rudy + Hansbrough (Can be traded after the 15th) for Jimmy Butler, Boozer, Marquis Teague

Chicago get's a number 2 option and someone who can play backup center for them, while shedding Boozer's contract. They might be able to run something like this:

Rose/Hinrich
Rudy/Dunleavy
Deng/Snell
Gibson/Hansbrough
Noah/Hansbrough
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:18 PM   #4944 (permalink)
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Rudy + Hansbrough (Can be traded after the 15th) for Jimmy Butler, Boozer, Marquis Teague

Chicago get's a number 2 option and someone who can play backup center for them, while shedding Boozer's contract. They might be able to run something like this:

Rose/Hinrich
Rudy/Dunleavy
Deng/Snell
Gibson/Hansbrough
Noah/Hansbrough
Technically they do shed Boozer's contract but Gay is paid more so in reality you have an entirely opposite situation. Chicago adds guaranteed salary with this deal. Not to mention, they still have the right to amnesty Boozer this summer so they have a way out, while if they add Gay, then it's up to Gay if he opts out or not.

Then you have to consider that Boozer looks much more like a "number 2 option" than Gay. You won't be selling high with Gay here. Chicago is clearly a worse team after this deal with worse cap flexibility too.

Definitely not a deal where they'd give up Jimmy Butler.
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Old 11-06-2013, 01:59 AM   #4945 (permalink)
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Tank Tingz

Rudy Gay + Steve Novak + NYK 2016 First for Greg Monroe, Stuckey, C. Villanueva

Tyler Hansbrough + 2nd Rounders for Tony Snell + Marquis Teague

Kyle Lowry + 2nd Rounders for Brandon Knight + Ekpe Udoh

TANK SQUAD

Brandon Knight/Teague
Terrrence Ross/Snell
Demar Derozan/Fields
Greg Monroe/Acy
Valanciunas/Amir Johnson

I'd like to Hang on to both Derozan and Amir, as I like what they can contribute to this team in the long term picture. As long as we grab a top 7 pick for next year, I think we'd be in the position to make some noise the next year, with all our added cap flexibility and improvement in our young players.
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Old 11-06-2013, 05:00 AM   #4946 (permalink)
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lets get wilson chandler + rajon rondo in a 3 team trade.

trade whoever but keeping demar + ross + JV + hansbrough

EDIT: and take george karl too while we are at it.

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Old 11-06-2013, 08:49 AM   #4947 (permalink)
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I think it would be enough, but if not I would be willing to sacrifice 2014 pick to make this happen
Imo that team would be very exciting
It wasn't anywhere near realistic.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:07 AM   #4948 (permalink)
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It wasn't anywhere near realistic.
care to explain why not?
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:23 AM   #4949 (permalink)
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care to explain why not?
The Atlanta side of that deal looked fair. I like DeRozan there. A solid prospect+flexibility is a fair price.

But Boston and Chicago sides weren't fair.

Chicago: Deng is better than Gay. Better contract too. Mirotic is the best Euro prospect in his age group. That deal gives Toronto Deng+Mirotic for Gay.

Boston: The NY pick is probably a late 1st. They aren't likely to draft another Rondo with that pick. They aren't even likely to draft a mediocre starter with that pick. So if that's the best thing that Boston can get in a Rondo deal... it seems much better to wait and see. If Rondo gets back healthy, he's a top 15 player, young, good contract.
Lowry has some resale value but he just hurts the Boston tank right now. If you want to tank, you'd rather have Rondo is a suit than Lowry in a uniform.
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:39 AM   #4950 (permalink)
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Fair enough, that's why I said I would be willing to include 2014 or 2015(preferably 2015) 1st in the mix.
As for Chicago, keep Mirotic out of it () and I think they would do it. Deng is injury prone and can hurt them in the playoffs. Oh and Gay>Deng even if it's close, i also think Rudy would be good fit in Chicago.
My main Goal in this trade would be to get Rondo/Shroder, I don't even care about Deng. I think that would be real possibility if throw in our pick.
If Chicago doesn't bite we could trade Gay somewhere else and get a prospect or pick in return

Maybe something like: Rudy for Butler, Udoh, Antetokounmpo
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Deng>RG. If it weren't for Deng and a few others while Chicago didn't have Rose then many a bad thing would happen. Deng is more reliable than RG. Much more proven player.RG has youth on his side but Deng has experience and unlike RG, was essential to his team's playoff success and aspirations.
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Toronto get Horford + Turner + Schroeder
Philly get Gay + Gray + 1st tor 2014 (+ 1st NYK 2016)
Atlanta get Hawes + Ross + Young + 2nd rd OKC 2014 (tor)


Toronto Roster :
Lowry/Schroeder/Buycks
DD/Fields/Stone
Turner/Novak/Daye
Horford/TH/Acy
JV/Amir
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Old 11-06-2013, 12:20 PM   #4953 (permalink)
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Fair enough, that's why I said I would be willing to include 2014 or 2015(preferably 2015) 1st in the mix.
As for Chicago, keep Mirotic out of it () and I think they would do it. Deng is injury prone and can hurt them in the playoffs. Oh and Gay>Deng even if it's close, i also think Rudy would be good fit in Chicago.
My main Goal in this trade would be to get Rondo/Shroder, I don't even care about Deng. I think that would be real possibility if throw in our pick.
If Chicago doesn't bite we could trade Gay somewhere else and get a prospect or pick in return

Maybe something like: Rudy for Butler, Udoh, Antetokounmpo
I don't think Gay is better, and I don't see a reason to think that he's a better playoffs performer or less injury prone (I wouldn't call either injury prone). His contract is worse, too. I don't think they'd trade Deng for Gay without getting considerable sweeteners.

I like Rondo trade ideas. If they trade him for Toronto's 2014 1st (lets say top 7 protected) + NY pick + Lowry, I'm ok with that. Tbh, there should be some third team that takes Lowry and gives Boston a pick or prospect. Maybe the Knicks? Felton+Metta+pick to Boston, Lowry to the Knicks. OKC? Perkins+pick to Boston, Lowry to OKC. Milwaukee?

Edit -- actually, I like this Rondo idea in combination with the Knicks more and more.
Boston gets: Novak, Felton, Metta, picks (2014 Toronto protected top 7, 2016 Knicks via Toronto, 2018 Knicks)
Knicks get: Lowry
Toronto gets: Rondo

Alternatively, if Toronto starts a tank, Knicks should get a call about Lowry.
Toronto gets: Felton, Metta, 2018 pick
Knicks get: Lowry
(Metta can't be traded for another ~month)

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Toronto get Horford + Turner + Schroeder
Philly get Gay + Gray + 1st tor 2014 (+ 1st NYK 2016)
Atlanta get Hawes + Ross + Young + 2nd rd OKC 2014 (tor)


Toronto Roster :
Lowry/Schroeder/Buycks
DD/Fields/Stone
Turner/Novak/Daye
Horford/TH/Acy
JV/Amir
Atlanta getting hosed
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I don't think Gay is better, and I don't see a reason to think that he's a better playoffs performer or less injury prone (I wouldn't call either injury prone). His contract is worse, too. I don't think they'd trade Deng for Gay without getting considerable sweeteners.

I like Rondo trade ideas. If they trade him for Toronto's 2014 1st (lets say top 7 protected) + NY pick + Lowry, I'm ok with that. Tbh, there should be some third team that takes Lowry and gives Boston a pick or prospect. Maybe the Knicks? Felton+Metta+pick to Boston, Lowry to the Knicks. OKC? Perkins+pick to Boston, Lowry to OKC. Milwaukee?

Edit -- actually, I like this Rondo idea in combination with the Knicks more and more.
Boston gets: Novak, Felton, Metta, picks (2014 Toronto protected top 7, 2016 Knicks via Toronto, 2018 Knicks)
Knicks get: Lowry
Toronto get: Rondo

Alternatively, if Toronto starts a tank, Knicks should get a call about Lowry.
Felton+Metta+2018 pick for Lowry. (Metta can't be traded for another ~month)
Aside the trade idea and salary, I do think Gay is better (it's very close though)
Last year when Rose was injured, Deng had much bigger role and statistically Rudy still had better season. But I can see argument's made for both

3 team trade to send parts to Boston for Lowry is a good idea. And i would happily get rid of all 3 (RG,KL, DD) if we could pull of trade like that.
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Aside the trade idea and salary, I do think Gay is better (it's very close though)
Last year when Rose was injured, Deng had much bigger role and statistically Rudy still had better season. But I can see argument's made for both

3 team trade to send parts to Boston for Lowry is a good idea. And i would happily get rid of all 3 (RG,KL, DD) if we could pull of trade like that.
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Um, no - RG did not have a better season statistically. They were on par or slightly ahead or behind each other in most categories.
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Deng>RG. If it weren't for Deng and a few others while Chicago didn't have Rose then many a bad thing would happen. Deng is more reliable than RG. Much more proven player.RG has youth on his side but Deng has experience and unlike RG, was essential to his team's playoff success and aspirations.
I can see your point and it makes sense. I don't agree though that having Gay instead of Deng would've hurt them.
To be fair youth is not much of a plus to Rudy, because he is only 1year younger. Deng is also more of team player (even if assists don't indicate that)
Gay however is a guy that can take over games, and he is very clutch when it matters the most. He also seems to cruise through games, but when it really matters he has that next gear he can switch to (unlike Deng)
Statistically they are close but I would give edge to Rudy

Last season per 36:

Deng
15.3pts, 1.8to, 0.4blk, 1stl, 2.8ast, 5.9trb, 81.6%ft, 45%2P, 32.2%3P, 50.8ts

Gay
18.3pts, 2.7to, 0.7blk, 1.5stl, 2.7ast, 6.8trb, 81.4ft, 44%2P, 32.3%3P,49.4ts

As a raptor his stats were much better, but bad start in Memphis killed his numbers.


As I said there is no clear winner and it really is a toss between them
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Um, no - RG did not have a better season statistically. They were on par or slightly ahead or behind each other in most categories.
Normally Rudy has more blocks, steals, Rebounds and Points while shot % are very close. There is a reason why Gay is way ahead of Deng in Fantasy rankings..
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Normally Rudy has more blocks, steals, Rebounds and Points while shot % are very close. There is a reason why Gay is way ahead of Deng in Fantasy rankings..
because Deng plays a much more controlled game? Deng's value also lies heavily on the defensive side.... Thibideau loves Deng.
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because Deng plays a much more controlled game? Deng's value also lies heavily on the defensive side.... Thibideau loves Deng.
How is that relevant? I was comparing stats not love/hate or game style..
I did say that Deng is better team player, so there is no reason to bring it up and try to make it seam like i ignored this fact
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