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Old 11-02-2013, 02:07 PM   #4881 (permalink)
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they actually do, you just have to be patient on it. Casspi, Parsons, Garcia, Jones, Montejunas..... all will be enough..... the first three can really stretch the floor and allow Dwight (maybe even force Dwight) to step up and get back to his dominant Orlando days in the paint. They don't need Rudy jacking shots given he's not a shooter.

They won't trade Asik this year..... unless overwhelmed with an offer. He's an offseason move for them.
According to the most reports around the league Houston is actively looking to trade Asik for PF so.
they need to open up floor as much as possible for Dwight, Gay might not be perfect candidate, but he is much better option than Asik. You are trying to make Gay look like a sack of potatoes..
But hey grass is always greener on the other side
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Again, you have to either believe in Ujiri or not. If you think he's Colangelo 2.0, then fine, cap space sucks. Besides, Caldwell-Pope is going to be a good player.
Mehhh, I think if you blow it up completely nobody will want to come here no matter what GM you have. Sorry, but BC wasn't totally to blame in trying to get top FA's to sign here. Top tier players who have many options will likely not come here which leaves you middle of the road players (who likely also have options with better teams, and lower end players. Ujiri was here before and knows how difficult it is to get players to sign here. Now, trade away your best players for crap shoot draft picks and empty your roster..............good luck signing talented players then.

Ujiri knows the only way to get better players here is through trades. Or at least the combination of trades/draft/signings. IMO trade away your best assets for picks and prospects you essentially eliminate 2 of those options and you have to pray that the next 19yr old player you pick becomes a star so that you can eventually, maybe attract better players. If so, we'll be horrible in 2yrs which is not at all what they're looking to do.

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Old 11-02-2013, 02:18 PM   #4883 (permalink)
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Trade Gay & Lowry to the Knicks for Stoudamire and Felton.

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Ujiri knows the only way to get better players here is through trades. Or at least the combination of trades/draft/signings. IMO trade away your best assets for picks and prospects you essentially eliminate 2 of those options and you have to pray that the next 19yr old player you pick becomes a star so that you can eventually, maybe attract better players. If so, we'll be horrible in 2yrs which is not at all what they're looking to do.
Not really. You act as if the prospects and picks are not assets themselves. There will definitely be opportunities to trade even if we become a younger team. In this league, younger = more value so the option of trading would still be very open. And on signings, that is currently not an option with the lack of cap space and that option would definitely become more open if we shedded some $, so I don't see what you are getting at there.
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Trade Gay to the Knicks for Stoudamire.
I assume you're joking
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Trade Gay to the Knicks for Stoudamire.


Throw in Shumpert and it's much better.

Oh god the edited proposal is even worse.

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Not really. You act as if the prospects and picks are not assets themselves. There will definitely be opportunities to trade even if we become a younger team. In this league, younger = more value so the option of trading would still be very open. And on signings, that is currently not an option with the lack of cap space and that option would definitely become more open if we shedded some $, so I don't see what you are getting at there.
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You trade away your best players for picks and expirings it eliminates any good FA's wanting to come here, and you have nothing else to trade. It leaves you draft picks, which are crap shoots.
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According to the most reports around the league Houston is actively looking to trade Asik for PF so.
they need to open up floor as much as possible for Dwight, Gay might not be perfect candidate, but he is much better option than Asik. You are trying to make Gay look like a sack of potatoes..
But hey grass is always greener on the other side
Gay isn't a sack of potatoes, but they'd much prefer a shooting four and Parsons is their starting three, which isn't changing.
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Old 11-02-2013, 02:27 PM   #4889 (permalink)
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Oh right it does't.. Gay is not upgrade over Asik at PF
Houston is trying to win NOW, and if giving up few Assets could be difference between becoming champions or not, I'm sure he would.
Perhaps you don't understand value of expirings, they could easily trade Lowry to a contender getting much better return than that 2018 Brooklyn pick, that is more than likely end up being very late first round pick which has even less value than early second round pick..
RG has never played PF full time. But hey you must love DC and his smallball to see how awesome RG is at PF. He'll defend PFs like Blake Griffin, Bosh, etc really well Asik although isn't a PF - he's a big man. He will perform the duties that a big man performs. You know what you're getting.

Maybe you're overvaluing the value of expirings. And you're also not considering how Asik+Parsons - even when Parsons gets his pay day is significantly better value than RG and what he makes.
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Draft
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You trade away your best players for picks and expirings it eliminates any good FA's wanting to come here, and you have nothing else to trade. It leaves you draft picks, which are crap shoots.
But that's the thing, you do have things to trade should the opportunity arise: the picks/prospects you traded for in the first place. And what good FA is coming here as it is? I'd argue it's more likely they go to a team with an up and coming draft pick on his way to being an all star than it is for them to go to a team who's best players just expired and is coming off a 9th seed finish.

If you look at the clippers, they had young guys like Aminu and Gordon who were recent picks for them who allowed them to get a star in distress to join their new cornerstone. Much more likely scenario if your team is young to trade for great players than it is if you have a core like ours who is mediocre going into their prime.
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Not really. You act as if the prospects and picks are not assets themselves. There will definitely be opportunities to trade even if we become a younger team. In this league, younger = more value so the option of trading would still be very open. And on signings, that is currently not an option with the lack of cap space and that option would definitely become more open if we shedded some $, so I don't see what you are getting at there.
+100000000000

Even if you have picks, etc - look at what you can do with those (RE: Boston 2008, Houston last summer). Picks are very valuable assets and especially for next year's draft.
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You trade away your best players for picks and expirings it eliminates any good FA's wanting to come here, and you have nothing else to trade. It leaves you draft picks, which are crap shoots.
You can trade those picks. Also, money speaks.
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Gay isn't a sack of potatoes, but they'd much prefer a shooting four and Parsons is their starting three, which isn't changing.
But don't you know RG is a PF apparently
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But that's the thing, you do have things to trade should the opportunity arise: the picks/prospects you traded for in the first place. And what good FA is coming here as it is? I'd argue it's more likely they go to a team with an up and coming draft pick on his way to being an all star than it is for them to go to a team who's best players just expired and is coming off a 9th seed finish.

If you look at the clippers, they had young guys like Aminu and Gordon who were recent picks for them who allowed them to get a star in distress to join their new cornerstone. Much more likely scenario if your team is young to trade for great players than it is if you have a core like ours who is mediocre going into their prime.
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Throw in Shumpert and it's much better.

Oh god the edited proposal is even worse.
Stoudamire and Felton were really potent together pre-Melo. They had turned the Knick's around with their play-especially their BALL MOVEMENT.

I know Stoudamire has had injury issues, but I think that has been cleaned up over the last 2 seasons and he's motivated to prove it to the league. Getting the pair away from Melo probably rekindles their chemistry.
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Gay isn't a sack of potatoes, but they'd much prefer a shooting four and Parsons is their starting three, which isn't changing.
and that wouldn't change, but they would move Gay to 4.
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Stoudamire and Felton were really potent together pre-Melo. They had turned the Knick's around with their play-especially their BALL MOVEMENT.

I know Stoudamire has had injury issues, but I think that has been cleaned up over the last 2 seasons and he's motivated to prove it to the league. Getting the pair away from Melo probably rekindles their chemistry.
He's on a 20 min limit this year

His knees are finished.
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RG has never played PF full time. But hey you must love DC and his smallball to see how awesome RG is at PF. He'll defend PFs like Blake Griffin, Bosh, etc really well Asik although isn't a PF - he's a big man. He will perform the duties that a big man performs. You know what you're getting.

Maybe you're overvaluing the value of expirings. And you're also not considering how Asik+Parsons - even when Parsons gets his pay day is significantly better value than RG and what he makes.
Playing Gay at 4 is far from small ball with added weight he is heavier than Bosh and he is tall enough to play 4. Sure his skill set is more of a SF but he could be 4 if needed. Asik is crowding paint for DH that's why they are looking to trade him.
This isn't Parsons vs Gay, and who brings more bang for the buck. Parsons would still be on that team. As for Parsons being better value after his payday is pure speculation because you don't know how much is he going to get paid
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Playing Gay at 4 is far from small ball with added weight he is heavier than Bosh and he is tall enough to play 4. Sure his skill set is more of a SF but he could be 4 if needed. Asik is crowding paint for DH that's why they are looking to trade him.
This isn't Parsons vs Gay, and who brings more bang for the buck. Parsons would still be on that team. As for Parsons being better value after his payday is pure speculation because you don't know how much is he going to get paid
They don't need RG. If need be you say - that doesn't mean he's a PF and far from a first choice to play said position.

While that is true Asik is a big and RG is not. There are better options out there for Houston than RG at PF.

And what is RG going to make? Next year he'll make near $20 million and whoever signs him after that he'll make $9-12 million/year (at least). You seem to think highly of RG, especially in regards to George so idk. I think Parsons is better value and probably will be afterwards.
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