The Official RF Trade Proposal Thread - Page 213
Old 06-06-2013, 09:59 AM   #4241 (permalink)
the gat'll killya quicker, when I'm drunk off the liquor

The Mara sisters are hot!
 
Bill Haverchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9,868
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanH View Post
Don't listen to these jokers Bill.

Your trade is just fine if they do it with cap space.
That's what I thought. Then they got me doubting myself because I haven't done many fake trades recently or talked about that portion of the CBA. Mostly I've got the changes to S&T's on my mind because that kept coming up in threads. I was trying to show some humility. Fuck that! I'm right, bitches!
Bill Haverchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 10:02 AM   #4242 (permalink)
the gat'll killya quicker, when I'm drunk off the liquor

The Mara sisters are hot!
 
Bill Haverchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9,868
Representing:
Default

Quote:
As described in question number 80, a team below the cap may disregard salaries when making trades, as long as the team finishes no more than $100,000 above the cap as the result of a trade.
Bill Haverchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 10:16 AM   #4243 (permalink)
the gat'll killya quicker, when I'm drunk off the liquor

The Mara sisters are hot!
 
Bill Haverchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9,868
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by woodchuck View Post
Re Tristan Thompson, i'm sure that Thompson+a bunch of picks+cap space >>> Ed Davis + Prince
I doubt the Raptors are going to sell Gay at a major profit.
Thompson was pretty good this year and he's still young, younger than Terrence Ross and two years younger than Ed Davis.
That's a good way of making your point, but that's not quite how I'd view it. I think Jose had more value than Prince; Memphis just didn't take him. It depended on fit. Also, we sent a 2nd rounder to Memphis.

So, really, compare these two:

1- Jose, Ed Davis, 42 pick

2 - Thompson, 31st and 33rd pick


Maybe it's a little too much. I think it depends on whether a team involved in the trade values Jose.

But we can scratch that. We'll go with C.J. Miles, and the 19th, 31st, 33rd, and Sac pick (if we convince 'em to toss it in).
Bill Haverchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 10:50 AM   #4244 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,792
Representing:
Default

i think that Jose at 11 mil has less value than pure cap space, tbh.

of course, who knows. i just wouldn't trade Thompson/picks/cap space for Gay if I was making that decision for Cleveland.

Last edited by woodchuck; 06-06-2013 at 10:54 AM.
woodchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 10:53 AM   #4245 (permalink)
the gat'll killya quicker, when I'm drunk off the liquor

The Mara sisters are hot!
 
Bill Haverchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9,868
Representing:
Default

Depends what a team needs, I suppose. Jose at $11 mill is never a good price, but if you're competing for something, he certainly has value.
Bill Haverchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 11:21 AM   #4246 (permalink)
...

Resident Mavs Fan
 
10gizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,207
Representing:
Default

Love that trade. Thompson would be gold here, but I think we'd have to pony up more.

I'd be absolutely against giving Collison the MLE becuase that would end up being a multi-year deal and DC is a train wreck.

I'd rather draft Kabongo and let him start.

What about...

Miles + Thompson + 19 + 31 + 33

for

Gay + Ross + Acy
10gizzle is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 12:17 PM   #4247 (permalink)
We going to the 'ship!

Senior Member

 
Ball Don't Lie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 10,710
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 10gizzle View Post
Love that trade. Thompson would be gold here, but I think we'd have to pony up more.

I'd be absolutely against giving Collison the MLE becuase that would end up being a multi-year deal and DC is a train wreck.

I'd rather draft Kabongo and let him start.

What about...

Miles + Thompson + 19 + 31 + 33

for

Gay + Ross + Acy
Yeah giving Collison the MLE is horrible. When you can't play well enough to where Mike James is brought in from europe to replace you in the starting lineup and in crunch time scenarios, you know you're doing something wrong. Collison really hasn't improved since his rookie season. When CP3 went down and Collison was putting up 17+8 numbers, most thought he'd turn out to be what Lawson is now, in being one of the quickest PGs in the NBA who could rip apart defences with his speed, and if you left him open, could hit the jumper. But he's turned out to be a dud who makes too many bad gambles on defence, and has one of the ugliest jumpers in the NBA, not to mention his passing is below average. I really doubt any team gives him more than 2 years 8 million. He's not a starting PG. He's a nice 7th man thought that can play 20-25 mpg.

And a Thompson/Val frontcourt would be fucking awesome going forward. We'd instantly become one of the best rebounding teams in the NBA, and although I wasn't high on Thompson in his rookie year, he really came back and had a very good sophomore year, improving his game around the basket and defensively as well. He looked a lot quicker this season.
Ball Don't Lie is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 12:26 PM   #4248 (permalink)
the gat'll killya quicker, when I'm drunk off the liquor

The Mara sisters are hot!
 
Bill Haverchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9,868
Representing:
Default

I respectfully disagree about Collison. A few additional points to keep in mind:

1 - you don't have to give Collison the full value of the MLE. We might be able to get him for, say, $12-14 mill over 4 years (Bayless type $). If that's not enough $, then I see why you ditch that part of the plan.

2 - I don't think Collison's that bad, if you view him as a back-up PG. And a back-up at $3-3.5 mill per is okay.

3 - He would only start during the first year of the contract for the purpose of tanking. So, if he's not good enough to start on an NBA team, that is irrelevant to our plan! We're trying to tank for a season, guys, remember? This is all part of a larger tanking plan. He's not going to be the starter when we try to win.

Bill Haverchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 12:38 PM   #4249 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,792
Representing:
Default

sign Calderon
woodchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 05:08 PM   #4250 (permalink)
making funny and strange dark trade in his mind !!!

Senior Member
 
Bankiz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 2,321
Representing:
Default

please, don't tank again ???

1. Buy a mid-1st pick to get a Combo Guard.
Dallas pick would be perfect.
draft M. Carter-Williams.

2.
Dallas get Bynum (60M/4yrs (third yr team option)
Philly get Ross + Barg + Fields + a futur 1st Dallas.
Toronto get Turner + Carter + Marion


the change of scenery for each of the players involve would be great, also for each team.
we add depth in frontcourt, marion is a great backup PF, turner is a nice backup sf and also Carter as a backup sg.

3.
amnesty Kleiza

4.
a. Mil get Turner
toronto get Henson + Dalembert (5M/1yr)
b.
Mil get Lowry + Gray + 1st toronto 2015
Toronto get Jennings (40M/4yrs)

4.
Offer 3M to livingston on the MLE (2years or 3)
and resign AA as a 3rd SF


Jennings/Livingston/JL3
DD/Carter/MCW
Gay/Marion/AA
Amir/Henson/Acy
JV/Dalembert
Bankiz is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 05:13 PM   #4251 (permalink)
We going to the 'ship!

Senior Member

 
Ball Don't Lie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 10,710
Representing:
Default

1st trade- Why does Philly do that to take on Bargs/Fields, and an unproven Ross? And no team is going to sign Bynum long term.

2nd trade- Milwaukee is not trading Henson for Turner. Turner isn't that good anyway.

3rd trade- Excuse me while I throw up all over my keyboard. 1st round pick and Lowry for Jennings? Lowry is better than Jennings, and Jennings is not worth a long term deal at 10 mil per season. He's a losing inefficient chucker loser.

Livingston isnt worth the MLE

Jennings/Demar/Gay together is the least efficient offence in NBA history.

But I want you to be honest with me, with that capped out lineup, how far do you think we'd get? Do you really think that's the kind of lineup Leiweke envisioned when he said he wanted to bring a title to Toronto?
Ball Don't Lie is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2013, 01:01 AM   #4252 (permalink)
Masai Ujiri

Senior Member
 
Kirby's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,759
Representing:
Default

I've been thinking about it. If you can dump Gay or DeRozan for the first overall pick, do it. Shed some of that salary to get us out of this shitty situation, as well as acquire a good young prospect.
Kirby is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2013, 01:19 AM   #4253 (permalink)
the next dictator of MLSE

fresh and clean
 
Windex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: uʍop ɹǝpun
Posts: 22,524
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
I've been thinking about it. If you can dump Gay or DeRozan for the first overall pick, do it. Shed some of that salary to get us out of this shitty situation, as well as acquire a good young prospect.
DeRozan for the #1 pick???
but who do we take? already have a centre that is better than Noel. McLemore might not be any better than DeRozan. We would end up taking Anthony Bennett.
Windex is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2013, 01:35 AM   #4254 (permalink)
the gat'll killya quicker, when I'm drunk off the liquor

The Mara sisters are hot!
 
Bill Haverchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9,868
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
I've been thinking about it. If you can dump Gay or DeRozan for the first overall pick, do it. Shed some of that salary to get us out of this shitty situation, as well as acquire a good young prospect.
Cleveland almost certainly says no. If I thought there was a chance in hell that they'd do it, I would have included it in my operation tank plan. But I took the later picks because asking for #1 is too greedy. Heck, me asking for Tristan in an alternative plan might have been too greedy, for the reasons Woodchuck pointed out.

The Cavs have Waiters, so I don't see why they would give us a 1st overall + use $9 mill of their cap space to acquire a SG. That rules out Derozan, in my opinion.

Rudy costs $17 mill next year. The Cavs don't have any shitty contracts to send back, which means they'd have to absorb most of Rudy's deal. That cap space is a lost asset for the Cavs. If Cleveland is going to give up huge cap space and the 1st overall pick in the same deal, they are going to do it for a proven all-star like Aldridge, not Rudy.
Bill Haverchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2013, 02:02 AM   #4255 (permalink)
We going to the 'ship!

Senior Member

 
Ball Don't Lie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 10,710
Representing:
Default

NBA Trade Checker - Saved Trade - RealGM

Rudy for Artest, Blake, Hill, and LAs 2014 1st rounder. I don't think LA would do this trade because they seem to be gearing up for next offseason to have capspace to go after the likes of Lebron, but since Kobe is likely to be out until 2014(I dont buy into him being back on opening night with the injury he had), they're going to need scoring, and they need a definite upgrade at SF. If they retain Dwight, they'll be in win now mode still, and would have a very nice starting 5, though it'd be funny to see Kobe and Gay in a halfcourt offence together.
Ball Don't Lie is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2013, 02:16 AM   #4256 (permalink)
Masai Ujiri

Senior Member
 
Kirby's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,759
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Windex View Post
DeRozan for the #1 pick???
but who do we take? already have a centre that is better than Noel. McLemore might not be any better than DeRozan. We would end up taking Anthony Bennett.
I like McLemore better than any of our SGs.
Kirby is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2013, 02:17 AM   #4257 (permalink)
Masai Ujiri

Senior Member
 
Kirby's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,759
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck View Post
Cleveland almost certainly says no. If I thought there was a chance in hell that they'd do it, I would have included it in my operation tank plan. But I took the later picks because asking for #1 is too greedy. Heck, me asking for Tristan in an alternative plan might have been too greedy, for the reasons Woodchuck pointed out.

The Cavs have Waiters, so I don't see why they would give us a 1st overall + use $9 mill of their cap space to acquire a SG. That rules out Derozan, in my opinion.

Rudy costs $17 mill next year. The Cavs don't have any shitty contracts to send back, which means they'd have to absorb most of Rudy's deal. That cap space is a lost asset for the Cavs. If Cleveland is going to give up huge cap space and the 1st overall pick in the same deal, they are going to do it for a proven all-star like Aldridge, not Rudy.
Well the rumor was they wanted a scoring forward, figured Gay may be a possibility.
Kirby is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2013, 02:17 AM   #4258 (permalink)
the gat'll killya quicker, when I'm drunk off the liquor

The Mara sisters are hot!
 
Bill Haverchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9,868
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ball Don't Lie View Post
NBA Trade Checker - Saved Trade - RealGM

Rudy for Artest, Blake, Hill, and LAs 2014 1st rounder. I don't think LA would do this trade because they seem to be gearing up for next offseason to have capspace to go after the likes of Lebron, but since Kobe is likely to be out until 2014(I dont buy into him being back on opening night with the injury he had), they're going to need scoring, and they need a definite upgrade at SF. If they retain Dwight, they'll be in win now mode still, and would have a very nice starting 5, though it'd be funny to see Kobe and Gay in a halfcourt offence together.
Can't do it, because of the "no trading future 1st rounders in consecutive years" rule. The Lakers traded their 2015 1st rounder to Phoenix as part of the Nash deal. So, unfortunately, they can't trade their 2014 1st rounder in advance of the 2014 draft. They also traded their 2017 1st rounder to Orlando, with the obligation tied up until as late as 2019, depending on if the pick falls within the protection zone in earlier years.

In a nutshell, you're not getting any 1st rounders from the Lakers any time soon.
Bill Haverchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2013, 02:20 AM   #4259 (permalink)
the gat'll killya quicker, when I'm drunk off the liquor

The Mara sisters are hot!
 
Bill Haverchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9,868
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
Well the rumor was they wanted a scoring forward, figured Gay may be a possibility.
Yeah, the rumour was out there. And there was another report shortly after saying they had interest in Aldridge. That's probably who the source of the first rumour was referring to.

If Cleveland had a bad contract of its own that their GM wanted to get rid of, then Gay for the 1st and that contract might make sense. But they can do so many things with that cap space, that it seems inneficient to use two huge resources (cap space + 1st pick) for Rudy.
Bill Haverchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2013, 02:34 AM   #4260 (permalink)
Masai Ujiri

Senior Member
 
Kirby's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,759
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck View Post
Yeah, the rumour was out there. And there was another report shortly after saying they had interest in Aldridge. That's probably who the source of the first rumour was referring to.

If Cleveland had a bad contract of its own that their GM wanted to get rid of, then Gay for the 1st and that contract might make sense. But they can do so many things with that cap space, that it seems inneficient to use two huge resources (cap space + 1st pick) for Rudy.
I thought the Aldridge rumor was prior to the lottery?
But yeah I understand what you mean.
Kirby is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24