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Old 07-02-2010, 07:00 PM   #361 (permalink)
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Toronto: Scola/Ellis/Morrow/Lowry

GSW: TPE (via houston)/Jack/Ariza

Houston: Bosh/Wright (S&T)

Ellis/Lowry
Morrow/DD/Beli
Weems/DD
Scola/Amir/Davis
Bargnani/Amir
Houston is over the cap and I dont think it is possible to give anything in lines of a TPE
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:19 PM   #362 (permalink)
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Wade/Bosh to Chicago.

Bosh

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Noah/TPE

Chicago lineup...

Rose
Wade
Deng
Bosh
MLE or Trade?
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Old 07-03-2010, 08:53 AM   #363 (permalink)
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Wade/Bosh to Chicago.

Bosh

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Noah/TPE

Chicago lineup...

Rose
Wade
Deng
Bosh
MLE or Trade?
JO could be the center on that Chicago team
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Old 07-03-2010, 09:03 AM   #364 (permalink)
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Bosh and Jack

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Scola, Ariza, Battier, NYK pick, 3 million tpe


Ariza, Davis

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Hinrich and Lawar Hayward

Hinrich/Jose/Banks
Demar/Weems/Beli
Hedo/Battier/Hayward
Scola/Amir/Dorsey
Bargs/Alabi/Evans

Still have 10 million in expirings and NYK's pick to use if as well as potential Hedo or Jose trade for an upgrae at the sf spot or depth. But team as is is tougher, grittier, more defensive and balanced. Hedo controls offense, Hinrich and Scola are smart players, Bargs can be more of a scorer, Demar can have more resposibility on offense as well.
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Old 07-03-2010, 03:35 PM   #365 (permalink)
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Bosh and Jack

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Scola, Ariza, Battier, NYK pick, 3 million tpe


Ariza, Davis

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Hinrich and Lawar Hayward

Hinrich/Jose/Banks
Demar/Weems/Beli
Hedo/Battier/Hayward
Scola/Amir/Dorsey
Bargs/Alabi/Evans

Still have 10 million in expirings and NYK's pick to use if as well as potential Hedo or Jose trade for an upgrae at the sf spot or depth. But team as is is tougher, grittier, more defensive and balanced. Hedo controls offense, Hinrich and Scola are smart players, Bargs can be more of a scorer, Demar can have more resposibility on offense as well.
only one problem....lazar hayward plays for the timberwolves
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Old 07-03-2010, 08:51 PM   #366 (permalink)
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Toronto: Scola, CP3

NO: Ariza, Battier, Jack, NY pick from Houston

Houston: Bosh


CP3/Jose
(MLE..Miller?)/DD/Beli
Hedo/Weems
Scola/Amir/Davis
Bargnani/Amir/Dorsey
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:14 AM   #367 (permalink)
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How about Memphis for a possible partner in a S&T?

Bosh + Jose

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Zach Randolph + Thabeet + Conley/Marcus Williams/Trade Exception or some variation on that theme.

It seems to me that Thabeet had a decent rookie year for a center, and his D League reassignment had more to do with locker room chemistry than anything else. He can get lots of boards and a crazy number of blocks. He averaged 1.3 blocks in only 13 minutes last season (Bosh averaged 1 block in 36 minutes for a comparison). He's raw, but still has amazing potential. Also, it looks like the Grizzlies are set on Marc Gasol being their center for the foreseeable future. They'd be foolish to sell Thabeet when is stock is low, but then again this is the team that dealt Pau for scrubs + picks. Jose would be a good addition for that team as well. They seem in need of a passer/ballhandler, and Gasol is good enough at help defense so that Jose's miscues turn into shots from midrange rather than a clear path to the basket, as was the case in Toronto (thanks to Bosh + Bargs not so stellar help defense). Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Zach Randolph's contract expiring at the end of the season? Hopefully by then one of the Raptors prospect will have turned into a starter, though that might be asking a lot.

Honestly, my prediction is that BC works out a multi team deal that no one in the media has thought of, and it works well for the Raptors. There's too many possibilities to even contemplate, and none of the obvious two team deals seem to work. More than anything the Raptors need a center so they can move Bargs to PF where he belongs. Also, I think the Jose + Hedo tandem needs to be broken up. Hedo's a whiner, but he's talented, and I don't see BC moving him.

I have a feeling that something has pretty much been decided on, otherwise I don't think Amir would have been signed yet, and the Hedo situation wouldn't have been handled by PJ Carlesimo.

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Old 07-04-2010, 12:22 AM   #368 (permalink)
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How about Memphis for a possible partner in a S&T?

Bosh + Jose

for

Zach Randolph + Thabeet + Conley/Marcus Williams/Trade Exception or some variation on that theme.

It seems to me that Thabeet had a decent rookie year for a center, and his D League reassignment had more to do with locker room chemistry than anything else. He can get lots of boards and crazy numbers of blocks. He averaged 1.3 blocks in only 13 minutes last season (Bosh averaged 1 block in 36 minutes for a comparison). He's raw, but still has amazing potential. Also, it looks like the Grizzlies are set on Marc Gasol being their center for the foreseeable future. They'd be foolish to sell Thabeet when is stock is low, but then again this is the team that dealt Pau for scrubs + picks. Jose would be a good addition for that team as well. They seem in need of a good passer/ballhandler, and are good enough defensively to compensate for him.

Honestly though, my prediction is that BC works out a multi team deal that no one in the media has thought of, and it works well for the Raptors. There's too many possibilities to even contemplate, and none of the obvious two team deals seem to work. More than anything the Raptors need a center so they can move Bargs to PF where he belongs. Also, I think the Jose + Hedo tandem needs to be broken up. Hedo's a whiner, but he's talented, and I don't see BC moving him.

I have a feeling that something has pretty much been decided on, otherwise I don't think Amir would have been signed yet, and the Hedo situation wouldn't have been handled by PJ Carlesimo.
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:43 AM   #369 (permalink)
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If it's that or take a $30 million pay cut he could change his mind.

There aren't many decent S&T scenarios for the teams on his wish list.

Bynum for Bosh I'd be happy with, but the Lakers just won a championship and might not want to tinker with their roster too much.

Bosh for Noah would be great for the Raptors, but would leave a huge hole in the Bulls' roster, so it's not realistic.

Beasley would be a terrible pairing with Bargnani. The same goes for David Lee.

So, it looks like BC will have to think outside the box.

Also:

Calderon
Mayo
Gay
Bosh
Gasol

can be very good for a long time.

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Old 07-04-2010, 12:47 AM   #370 (permalink)
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If it's that or take a $30 million pay cut he could change his mind.

There aren't many decent S&T scenarios for the teams on his wish list.

Bynum for Bosh I'd be happy with, and Bosh for Noah would be great for the Raptors, but would leave a huge hole in the Bulls' roster, so it's not realistic.

Beasley would be a terrible pairing with Bargnani. The same goes for David Lee.

So, it looks like BC will have to think outside the box.

Also:

Calderon
Mayo
Gay
Bosh
Gasol

can be very good for a long time.
its not about what we want....its about what he wants.....dont kid yourself, hes got more leverage than the team(on where he wants to go)...

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Old 07-04-2010, 12:59 AM   #371 (permalink)
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its not about what we want....its about what he wants.....dont kid yourself, hes got more leverage than the team(on where he wants to go)...
Like I said, the Raptors have $30 million worth of leverage. $30 million is a hell of a lot of money. Even for an all star basketball player. The CBA was designed to give the team that drafted the player lots of leverage.

Bosh can refuse to sign, true, but the Raptors can absolutely let him walk. It clears up cap space at the very least, and isn't necessarily bad for the team. It's better than taking a bad locker room presence on to a young team, and it's better than acquiring an untradeable contract, or a bust. Also, there's no point in a deal for a huge trade exception, they might as well just let him walk and use the cap space.

It seems to me it's the media that wants it to be the other way around, that the player has all the leverage. That way they can sell stories about super teams.

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Like I said, the Raptors have $30 million worth of leverage. $30 million is a hell of a lot of money. Even for an all star basketball player. The CBA was designed to give the team that drafted the player lots of leverage.

Bosh can refuse to sign, true, but the Raptors can absolutely let him walk. It clears up cap space at the very least, and isn't necessarily bad for the team. It's better than taking a bad locker room presence on to a young team, and it's better than acquiring an untradeable contract, or a bust. Also, there's no point in a deal for a huge trade exception, they might as well just let him walk and use the cap space.

It seems to me it's the media that wants it to be the other way around, that the player has all the leverage. That way they can sell stories about super teams.
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bosh would walk if the team told him that he would have to play for the grizz if he wants 30 mil....exactly my point....if he says he doesnt want to go to the grizz, hes not going there....
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Also, there's no point in a deal for a huge trade exception, they might as well just let him walk and use the cap space.
You have no idea what you're talking about so just stop arguing. First off, if Bosh walks, the Raps would have a payroll over $46 million. However, they drafted Ed Davis and agreed to resign Amir to a 5 year/$34 million dollar deal. So, you have to add their first year salaries to the payroll. Amir's first year salary will probably be around $5 million and Davis's will be around $2 million. So, if the Raps let Bosh walk, the payroll will be at $53 million when the salary cap for next year is $56 million. In case you can't do math, that's $3 million in cap space. In means shit.

Now, on the other hand, a traded player exception would allow the Raps the flexibility to obtain future assets far, far better than $3 million in cap space. The Raps can absorb another team's player and up grade at a position, or they cold participate in a 2 part deal in with another team, such as the Okafor/Collison idea, if it is available. The Raps could absorb Okafor in step one of the trade, and then in step 2 BC swaps a pick or someone like Belli for Collision. There are many, many options with TPE. In this summer's market, $3 mill in cap space gets you a decent bench player, if you're lucky.
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So, let me get this straight. You think Bosh will walk.

Just to make sure I'm 110% clear on what you're saying. A simple yes or no question: will Bosh walk away from $30 million? I bet no.

That's the argument.

You apparently think he will. Because a TPE means more to the Raptors than a $30 million raise means to Chris Bosh? That's your reasoning? :facepalm: You should play poker with me sometime. It will be good practice for your math.

Anyways, I thought of a 3 team deal. David Lee to Minnesota, Al Jefferson to Toronto and Bosh to New York. Hopefully Rubio makes his way to Toronto in the deal.

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So, let me get this straight. You think Bosh will walk.

Just to make sure I'm 110% clear on what you're saying. A simple yes or no question: will Bosh walk away from $30 million? I bet no.

That's the argument.

You apparently think he will. Because a TPE means more to the Raptors than a $30 million raise means to Chris Bosh? That's your reasoning? :facepalm: You should play poker with me sometime. It will be good practice for your math.

Anyways, I thought of a 3 team deal. David Lee to Minnesota, Al Jefferson to Toronto and Bosh to New York. Hopefully Rubio makes his way to Toronto in the deal.
You should be playing checkers. It's more in your league.

First off, don't facepalm me. You're the one who doesn't understand that the Raps only get $3 mill in cap space if Bosh walks. Your argument was one the dumbest things I've heard all week.

Second, I was responding to your words. YOU said the cap space was better than a TPE. No, No, No, No. A TPE is better than $3 mill in cap space, that's my logic. Learn to read. I was replying to a specifc part of your argumetn. Once again, a TPE is more valuable than $3 mill in cap space, get it? That's all I said. I said nothing about whether or not Bosh would walk, just that a TPE is better than $3 mill in cap space.

I think it is more likely that Bosh will take the $30 mill. That is why BC is playing hard ball. Both parties involved can benefit from a reasonable sign and trade deal. But a TPE could be valuable depending on which team BC does a sign and trade with. Three 1st round picks + $16.6 mill TPE is a decent offer. It's better than your shit ass $3 mill in cap space.
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Old 07-04-2010, 03:18 AM   #376 (permalink)
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You should be playing checkers. It's more in your league.

First off, don't facepalm me. You're the one who doesn't understand that the Raps only get $3 mill in cap space if Bosh walks. Your argument was one the dumbest things I've heard all week.

Second, I was responding to your words. YOU said the cap space was better than a TPE. No, No, No, No. A TPE is better than $3 mill in cap space, that's my logic. Learn to read. I was replying to a specifc part of your argumetn. Once again, a TPE is more valuable than $3 mill in cap space, get it? That's all I said. I said nothing about whether or not Bosh would walk, just that a TPE is better than $3 mill in cap space.

I think it is more likely that Bosh will take the $30 mill. That is why BC is playing hard ball. Both parties involved can benefit from a reasonable sign and trade deal. But a TPE could be valuable depending on which team BC does a sign and trade with. Three 1st round picks + $16.6 mill TPE is a decent offer. It's better than your shit ass $3 mill in cap space.
Where did the 1st rounders come from?

First rounders for everyone!

If I'm BC and I've got a deal set up that gets Chris to a good team with a future, and Chris Bosh says "Screw that, I'm going to Miami" then Miami says "We're giving you a scrub you don't want + TPE" I'm saying "You can take your pay cut and walk".

I fully realize you're taking one of my points out of context, that's exactly the problem I have with your argument. Thanks for pointing that out for me. ("I was replying to a specifc part of your argumetn.") Apology accepted.

I love the Bellinelli for Collison idea. Maybe we could get Chris Paul for POB while we're at it. Wait, we need the trade exception for that one. Dammit!

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People on a Minnesota Board want the following

Bosh S&T to Miami
Jefferson to Toronto
Miami 1st, Beasley to Minnesota

What you guys think?
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I think both of the other teams benefit more than the Raptors.. id pass on that.
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