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Old 11-25-2012, 09:23 PM   #2741 (permalink)
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Toronto does it for Rudy Gay.

Memphis gets an insane amount of financial relief and bolsters their already great bench w/ jose and Gerald Henderson could potentially start over Tony Allen or they could have a sort of James Harden-Sefolosha thing going on

Charlotte gets rid of Tyrus Thomas' crappy contract, gets Bargs and trades an expiring Henderson.

I don't think it would happen in real life because of how well Memphis is playing and them not wanting to break that group up but I think it benefits all teams.

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Old 11-25-2012, 09:53 PM   #2742 (permalink)
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Toronto does it for Rudy Gay.

Memphis gets an insane amount of financial relief and bolsters their already great bench w/ jose and Gerald Henderson could potentially start over Tony Allen or they could have a sort of James Harden-Sefolosha thing going on

Charlotte gets rid of Tyrus Thomas' crappy contract, gets Bargs and trades an expiring Henderson.

I don't think it would happen in real life because of how well Memphis is playing and them not wanting to break that group up but I think it benefits all teams.
Memphis literally has no need for Jose at all.
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Memphis literally has no need for Jose at all.
If you go by that logic, they also have no need to trade Rudy Gay. In fact, most of these trades lack a need from the other end (the majority of the ones in which we get a starting wing)

They DO however have a need for financial relief in the scenario I posted, and Jose's expiring contract gives them that. Plus there's the whole Spanish Gasol-Calderon chemistry thing which IMO is a non-factor but still.

On another note, what do you guys think would be necessary to get our pick back from OKC?
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:07 AM   #2744 (permalink)
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Raptors Out: Andrea Bargnani,Jose Calderon, Terrence Ross,
Raptors In: Luol Deng,Marquis Teague

Lakers Out: Pau Gasol,Ron Artest
Lakers In: Andrea Bargnani,Paul Millsap,Mo Williams,Raja Bell

Bulls Out: Luol Deng,Carlos Boozer,Marquis Teague
Bulls In: Paul Gasol,Ron Artest,Terrence Ross

Jazz Out: Paul Millsap,Raja Bell,Mo Williams
Jazz In: Carlos Boozer,Jose Calderon

This deal was approved on ESPN Trade Machine,which means that all players are eligible to be dealt at the moment and the contracts/salaries match.
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Raptors Acquisitions
Loul Deng -
•get a much needed bonafied starting SF
Marquis Teague -
•a young,cheap back up point guard who could be groomed into a starter if Lowry leaves after next season

Lakers Acquisitions
Andrea Bargnani
• Will mesh well with fellow Italian,coach Mike D'Antoni,could come off the bench as an offensive spark or be a good inside/outside compliment to Dwight Howard.
•Will fit well with Steve Nash,who likes big men who could shoot 3's (ex. Channing Frye)
Paul Millsap
•a gritty PF who can start or sub. Is an expiring contract.
Raja Bell
•pesky defender,who already has interest from LA and has played with Nash under D'Antoni. An expiring
Mo Williams
•a former all star combo guard who has a lot of playoff experience.
•another expiring contract player,who'll free up space to resign Howard if they don't try to keep Williams.

Bulls Acquisitions
Pau Gasol
•expensive,but very valuable low post player with a solid championship pedigree.
•great compliment to Derrick Rose and first option while Rose is out
Ron Artest
•former Bull who adds more defense to coach Tom Thibadeau's defensive system.
Terrence Ross
•great shooting guard prospect who could learn a lot from veteran Richard Hamilton to maximize his potential
•athletic player who's good defensive ability suits Thibadeau's system

Jazz Acquisition
Carlos Boozer
•Get a player who him and the team shared their most success in recent years together.
• Good compliment to young players Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors
Jose Calderon
•Better pass first point guard than Mo Willams and Jamal Tinsley,who'll compliment Boozer very well.
•is an expiring contract who could be resigned for a good price if he and the team meshes well.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:50 AM   #2745 (permalink)
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...Bynum is possibly out all season and expires this summer, I don't like Bargs but this is just... we literally get nothing for him.

And where does he fit on our team? I'd rather not have him clog up the paint for JV and take away his minutes and hinder his development.
That's the whole plan, Raptors offer Philly Caldy and a better player than the bum knee Bynum. Once his contract runs out millions of dollars can be spent on a free agent
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Old 11-26-2012, 02:19 PM   #2746 (permalink)
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So judging by the negative rating no to Thaddeus Young and to Bynum. Very well - Bargnani and Calderon shall retire as Raptors
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:02 PM   #2747 (permalink)
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We could trade Jose + DD + ED + LK for JSmoove + Devin Harris
With this trade, the following starting lineup would be available:

TOR: Lowry-Ross-JSmoove-Barg-JV
ATL: Teague-DD-Korver-ED-Horford
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We could trade Jose + DD + ED + LK for JSmoove + Devin Harris
With this trade, the following starting lineup would be available:

TOR: Lowry-Ross-JSmoove-Barg-JV
ATL: Teague-DD-Korver-ED-Horford

Again, how anyone thinks Josh Smith is or should be a SF is beyond me.
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:08 PM   #2749 (permalink)
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We could trade Jose + DD + ED + LK for JSmoove + Devin Harris
With this trade, the following starting lineup would be available:

TOR: Lowry-Ross-JSmoove-Barg-JV
ATL: Teague-DD-Korver-ED-Horford
I have a feeling Atlanta doesn't want to add any salary for next year. They have enough space for Howard and Paul. If that doesn't work out, they would then explore trade options for Smith, but more than likely re-sign him with all that space.
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:17 PM   #2750 (permalink)
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Again, how anyone thinks Josh Smith is or should be a SF is beyond me.
Smith started his career as a SF, switched to PF after Marvin was drafted.

Even Marion is playing as SF and I do not understand why people disagree with Smith playing as SF. Smith is quick enough to defend any SF out there in the league and he has a perfect body size as a SF.

If you think about it, Barg's offense style is closer to SF and Josh's offense style is closer to PF. So we could play Barg as SF and Josh as PF. When it comes to defense, we could switch the defense so Barg guarding PF and Josh defends SF.

If this trade works, BC will win award for "GM of the year"
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:32 PM   #2751 (permalink)
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I have a feeling Atlanta doesn't want to add any salary for next year. They have enough space for Howard and Paul. If that doesn't work out, they would then explore trade options for Smith, but more than likely re-sign him with all that space.
I can't picture CP&DW coming to Atlanta. Even if they are coming, ATL has to use their existing players (or whoever they acquire from Josh trade) as trade chips anyways.

In addition to it, JSmoove is not willing to re-sign with ATL. If he was ever willing to, he could have extended his contract as soon as Joe Johnson's contract has been cleared out. JSmoove wants to join the team where he can get spotlights and earn chances to join the all-star game. With his tremendous career, he still has not joined all-star games in his lifetime.

If he can join Raptors, then he will be supported by Raps fans (or Canadian fans) to earn enough votes for All-star game.
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I can't picture CP&DW coming to Atlanta. Even if they are coming, ATL has to use their existing players (or whoever they acquire from Josh trade) as trade chips anyways.

In addition to it, JSmoove is not willing to re-sign with ATL. If he was ever willing to, he could have extended his contract as soon as Joe Johnson's contract has been cleared out. JSmoove wants to join the team where he can get spotlights and earn chances to join the all-star game. With his tremendous career, he still has not joined all-star games in his lifetime.

If he can join Raptors, then he will be supported by Raps fans (or Canadian fans) to earn enough votes for All-star game.
I don't think both Howard and Paul are going to Atlanta too, but they have made moves recently that have positioned them to do so. Paul and Howard have admitted to wanting to play together already, and I wouldn't totally rule it out. We have to wait to see how the Lakers and Clippers perform. If Lakers are out first round, I don't know if Howard would want to re-sign. Paul and Howard are unrestricted free agents, the Hawks technically don't have to give back anything in return. Both sides would want to work out a sign and trade deal, so Howard and Paul can make more money and the Lakers and Clippers get a trade exception or a combination of Smith and picks. Josh Smith didn't extend his contract over the summer because if he did he would only be able to do so for a maximum of 3 years and if he let the contract expire at the end of the season, he could extend for the maximum 5 years. According to Danny Ferry, Smith's agents have indicated they would like to re-sign.
Furthermore, I wouldn't want the Raptors acquiring Smith to play him at the 3. We would have to send Bargnani and play Smith at the 4. With the way Bargnani's playing, I don't think the Hawks would want him. There would have to be a third team involved.

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Old 11-26-2012, 06:22 PM   #2753 (permalink)
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the reality is we're only going to get back value by trading players who've been producing, i.e. ed continuing this great play. sure it will be tough seeing him go if he's finally playing up to his potential but if it takes him and another player to get back a consistent sf then so be it. i doesn't even have to be a stud sf, just a 3 that can play good d, and contribute consistently.
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Raptors Out: Andrea Bargnani,Jose Calderon, Terrence Ross,
Raptors In: Luol Deng,Marquis Teague

Lakers Out: Pau Gasol,Ron Artest
Lakers In: Andrea Bargnani,Paul Millsap,Mo Williams,Raja Bell

Bulls Out: Luol Deng,Carlos Boozer,Marquis Teague
Bulls In: Paul Gasol,Ron Artest,Terrence Ross

Jazz Out: Paul Millsap,Raja Bell,Mo Williams
Jazz In: Carlos Boozer,Jose Calderon

This deal was approved on ESPN Trade Machine,which means that all players are eligible to be dealt at the moment and the contracts/salaries match.
NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

Raptors Acquisitions
Loul Deng -
•get a much needed bonafied starting SF
Marquis Teague -
•a young,cheap back up point guard who could be groomed into a starter if Lowry leaves after next season

Lakers Acquisitions
Andrea Bargnani
• Will mesh well with fellow Italian,coach Mike D'Antoni,could come off the bench as an offensive spark or be a good inside/outside compliment to Dwight Howard.
•Will fit well with Steve Nash,who likes big men who could shoot 3's (ex. Channing Frye)
Paul Millsap
•a gritty PF who can start or sub. Is an expiring contract.
Raja Bell
•pesky defender,who already has interest from LA and has played with Nash under D'Antoni. An expiring
Mo Williams
•a former all star combo guard who has a lot of playoff experience.
•another expiring contract player,who'll free up space to resign Howard if they don't try to keep Williams.

Bulls Acquisitions
Pau Gasol
•expensive,but very valuable low post player with a solid championship pedigree.
•great compliment to Derrick Rose and first option while Rose is out
Ron Artest
•former Bull who adds more defense to coach Tom Thibadeau's defensive system.
Terrence Ross
•great shooting guard prospect who could learn a lot from veteran Richard Hamilton to maximize his potential
•athletic player who's good defensive ability suits Thibadeau's system

Jazz Acquisition
Carlos Boozer
•Get a player who him and the team shared their most success in recent years together.
• Good compliment to young players Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors
Jose Calderon
•Better pass first point guard than Mo Willams and Jamal Tinsley,who'll compliment Boozer very well.
•is an expiring contract who could be resigned for a good price if he and the team meshes well.
if it was possible i would just do the jose and bargs, to utah for what they have
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Raptors for Bills.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:28 AM   #2756 (permalink)
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Orlando get Barg + ross
Atlanta get Calderon + ED + 1st from orlando
Toronto get Smith + Harkless + Nicholson + tpe (for barg)


Lowry/Lucas/???
dd/Fields/anderson
Harkless/Mcguire/Kleiza
Smith/Nicholson/Acy
JV/Amir/Gray

we clear cap space, to resign smith if possible. we get two nice young player with a prospect sf and a prospect PF.
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Toronto: Boozer (becomes a 20Mil expiring after next season), Deng, Robinson (expires next summer)

Chicago: Bargnani, Calderon, Kleiza, 2nd

Lowry / Robinson /Lucas
Derozan / Ross / Fields
Deng / Fields / Anderson
Boozer / Davis / Acy
Valanciunas / Amir / Gray

Chicago gets cap relief right away with Calderon's expiring, gets out from Boozer's massive contract and Kleiza becomes an expiring contract next summer that they can flip. They suck with Kleiza starting but they'd have money to spend on a SF next summer and retool. Would they do this, very doubtful to say the least.

Chicago:

Rose/Calderon/Hinrich/Teague
Hamilton/Beli/Hinrich
Kleiza/Radmonivic/Butler
Bargs/Gibson/Radmonovic
Noah/Mohammed/Bargs

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Toronto: Boozer (becomes a 20Mil expiring after next season), Deng, Robinson (expires next summer)

Chicago: Bargnani, Calderon, Kleiza, 2nd

Lowry / Robinson /Lucas
Derozan / Ross / Fields
Deng / Fields / Anderson
Boozer / Davis / Acy
Valanciunas / Amir / Gray

Chicago gets cap relief right away with Calderon's expiring, gets out from Boozer's massive contract and Kleiza becomes an expiring contract next summer that they can flip. They suck with Kleiza starting but they'd have money to spend on a SF next summer and retool. Would they do this, very doubtful to say the least.

Chicago:

Rose/Calderon/Hinrich/Teague
Hamilton/Beli/Hinrich
Kleiza/Radmonivic/Butler
Bargs/Gibson/Radmonovic
Noah/Mohammed/Bargs
I would do this trade if I were the Raptors, but like you said, the Bulls wouldn't do it. Boozer's not an expiring next year, he has two additional years after this year at around 15 and 17 million vs Bargnani 11 and 12 million. They will get some relief there, but lose Deng. It depends on how much they value Bargnani and Rose's timeline on his return. They would want more and ask for Terrence Ross or DeRozan. The Bulls are projected to be in the luxury tax next year with only 8 players signed. The most likely scenario for them will be to keep their existing roster, amnesty Boozer, put Gibson in his place, and use the mid level on someone. If there was no amnesty clause, a trade like this could go down.
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I would do this trade if I were the Raptors, but like you said, the Bulls wouldn't do it. Boozer's not an expiring next year,
I said after next season.
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My bad.
Something along the lines of: Boozer, Deng, Hamilton, and Teague for Calderon, Bargnani, DeRozan, and Kleiza. 8 player trades rarely happen and I can't see both teams doing a trade like this though.

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