The Official RF Trade Proposal Thread - Page 134
Old 11-14-2012, 06:06 PM   #2661 (permalink)
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yep, you've convinced me a bit further. Maynor as back-up would be lovely, for sure. It'd be a bit of a shitter if we let Bargs go and then lost millsap. but if we could re-sign millsap that'd be awesome, i love his game. We're giving up a lot but i do like what we get back.
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:49 PM   #2662 (permalink)
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Inspired by Alex Anthopolous,how about this Blockbuster Trade:

Raptors Out: Andrea Bargnani,Jose Calderon,Terrence Ross
Raptors In: Paul Millsap, John Salmons,Eric Maynor

Jazz Out: Paul Millsap
Jazz In: Kendrick Perkins,Terrence Ross

Thunder Out: Kendrick Perkins,Jeremy Lamb,Eric Maynor
Thunder In: Andrea Bargnani,Tyreke Evans

Kings Out: Tyreke Evans,John Salmons
Kings In: Jose Calderon,Jeremy Lamb

The salaries add up and all players are eligible to be traded (as verified by ESPN TM)
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When you consider everything from player perfomance,prospects and expectations to roster(playoff contender or not),contracts(expiring and over paid),this is a pretty fair trade. I think every team would agree,except the Kings arguably. In their case,it's tough to lose and give up on Evans but his contract his expiring and they'd reload with another young guy in Lamb,who'd be locked in for a few years. THey'd be getting an expiringcontract in Jose(who could start) for Salmons contract which isn't good for their team with the young depth they already have at SG/SF. Also,OKC maybe could send a pick the Kings way or something.

I hope the Raps stumble across this and work magic!!!
Not a bad deal at all.

Raps get a solid and practical return.

Utah gets a C who can give up some minutes to the young kids and help teach them. They also get a solid young wing. Not a bad return for an expiring.

OKC might say yes. It's a very interesting return. I think RW, Thabo, KD, Bargs and Ibaka would be a nice starting 5. Those other starters would offset Bargs' deficiencies and he'd be in his ideal place as a 3rd option. The league is changing (almost eliminating the C position) so that would be interesting. Either way, I don't think Evans and Bargs would both start, 1 would have to come off the bench. Evans would play some PG there I assume.

Kings get another SG but don't have to worry about extending Tyreke. Getting rid of Salmons' salary is a plus for them. Also, Jose could help as they really really need a PG out there. He'd also be a calming, steady influence on a team full of youngsters with issues.
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:17 PM   #2663 (permalink)
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Inspired by Alex Anthopolous,how about this Blockbuster Trade:

Raptors Out: Andrea Bargnani,Jose Calderon,Terrence Ross
Raptors In: Paul Millsap, John Salmons,Eric Maynor

Jazz Out: Paul Millsap
Jazz In: Kendrick Perkins,Terrence Ross

Thunder Out: Kendrick Perkins,Jeremy Lamb,Eric Maynor
Thunder In: Andrea Bargnani,Tyreke Evans

Kings Out: Tyreke Evans,John Salmons
Kings In: Jose Calderon,Jeremy Lamb

The salaries add up and all players are eligible to be traded (as verified by ESPN TM)
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a solid trade in fact.
i think perkins + ross for millsap, i think that too much, maybe if jazz gavie one of the three team a pick, that would sweet the deal.

but for us, maynor can be a solid addition.
salmons, give some vet at the wings, and millsap change all our culture at pf.
for us that a real improvment !
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:37 PM   #2664 (permalink)
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If we traded Bargnani...

Fields for Gooden.

similar contract. Gooden is a good rebounder and nice defender.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:04 AM   #2665 (permalink)
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why would ANYBODY want Perkins right now, he sucks big time. Not to mention that Utah already has too many big guys as it is and probably thinks Kanter/Favours is the future ...
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:06 AM   #2666 (permalink)
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If we traded Bargnani...

Fields for Gooden.

similar contract. Gooden is a good rebounder and nice defender.
not sure if you're referring to drew gooden or there's some other gooden I don't know about, but a nice defender he is not. Not to mention he's only productive as a center and we already have one.

oh, and forget about trading fields, that's not going to happen for at least the next 2 years ...
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:00 PM   #2667 (permalink)
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1.
orlando get barg + acy
toronto get 1st denver 2014 + 2*2nd rd + tpe + Nicholson

2.
Dallas get granger
indiana get Calderon + Carter + futur 1st dallas + Gray + 2*2nd rd from orlando
toronto get marion + beaubois + mahimmi

hire back Magloire

Lowry/Beaubois/Lucas
DD/Ross/Fields
Marion/Anderson/Kleiza
Amir/ED/Nicholson
JV/Mahimmi/Magz

we will have a more defensive team. less scoring, but way better to defend playoffs team.
and we shed some money.

ps: we can do that only mid december.

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Old 11-17-2012, 07:55 PM   #2668 (permalink)
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What would people think about a straight up trade of Andrea Bargnani for Corey Maggette? Their contracts are basically the same, but Maggette's ends after this season I believe so that will help next summer. It would give us a not horrible player at SF that can get to the line, and is basically addition by subtraction with Bargnani going out. More minutes for Davis and Val. Only thing is would Detroit do it?
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Old 11-17-2012, 08:13 PM   #2669 (permalink)
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What would people think about a straight up trade of Andrea Bargnani for Corey Maggette? Their contracts are basically the same, but Maggette's ends after this season I believe so that will help next summer. It would give us a not horrible player at SF that can get to the line, and is basically addition by subtraction with Bargnani going out. More minutes for Davis and Val. Only thing is would Detroit do it?
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:41 AM   #2670 (permalink)
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bargs for harkless and whichever 1st round pick orlando will give us.

take another contract back, hopefully a 1yr, like mcroberts and they have a few TPEs that can balance it.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:36 AM   #2671 (permalink)
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bargs for harkless and whichever 1st round pick orlando will give us
take another contract back, hopefully a 1yr, like mcroberts and they have a few TPEs that can balance it.
Orlando does this why?

And @ the OKC/UTA/TOR/SAC trade, the thought of Durant playing with both Westbrook AND Tyreke makes me shudder...imagine how much the ball would get hogged up between those two?

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Old 11-18-2012, 12:08 PM   #2672 (permalink)
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Orlando does this why?

And @ the OKC/UTA/TOR/SAC trade, the thought of Durant playing with both Westbrook AND Tyreke makes me shudder...imagine how much the ball would get hogged up between those two?
because Bargs is a lot better than harkless!?

and i obviously wasn't talking about their own pick which will probably be high, they have other picks from fairly good teams who will probably have mid-round picks.

they have room in their front-court for bargs.
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:16 PM   #2673 (permalink)
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bargs for harkless and whichever 1st round pick orlando will give us.

take another contract back, hopefully a 1yr, like mcroberts and they have a few TPEs that can balance it.
How many times did DanH say this on here... You can't put a TPE with players in a trade...
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:04 PM   #2674 (permalink)
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Bargs for JJ Reddick and Nicholson
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:39 PM   #2675 (permalink)
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bargs for harkless and whichever 1st round pick orlando will give us.

take another contract back, hopefully a 1yr, like mcroberts and they have a few TPEs that can balance it.
You can't combine TPEs. A TPE can basically be used to acquire only players and only the TPE can be given by the team that is using its tpe.

Thankfully Orlando has a massive TPE because of Dwight.

Bargs for Dwight's or part of the TPE via Dwight is possible and then in a separate deal for Harkless and a conditional 2nd rounder and AA or McGuire or something. I think if Orlando were to give up a young asset like Harkless for Bargs and the salary they'd take on because of him they'd want to send out salary as well. However, I doubt they'd want to give up a young asset in Harkless, part or all of Dwight's TPE, and another 1st rounder for Bargs and his salary. They will be looking to shed some $, not add some.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:57 PM   #2676 (permalink)
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The Bulls are in the luxury tax next year with 73 million dollars committed to 8 players excluding a starting shooting guard. If they stay the course with the current roster, Boozer is likely to be amnestied; making Gibson a starter and they can use the mid-level for a guard. It's still really early into the season and some players that were available in the summer are no longer available and vice versa. As the season progresses, certain players could become available depending on how certain teams are performing. This is a trade that the bulls will definitely take into consideration depending obviously on a number of variables (bargs playing better, rose's status), most notably how well they're performing down the stretch. I would offer a modified version of the trade proposed by ford over the summer:

Toronto trading jose calderon, Andrea bargnani, Terrence Ross, and Linas kleiza for Carlos boozer, luol deng, and marquis Teague.

The major risk for us is we're taking on boozers contract (3 years 47 million) and his production is likely to fall and deng walking in 14. But we get a legit wing player, good player at the 4 spot, a young back up pg not making too much money for the foreseeable future. In return, the bulls get arguably the best back up point guard, maintain depth at the 4 spot with Bargs and Gibson, a prospect that provides much needed help at sg given the bulls have no plans to resign rip, and much needed cap relief. The major risk is filling the void left by deng. The bulls probably wouldn't do this trade right now, but it's not a stretch to say something like this could happen as the season progresses.

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Old 11-18-2012, 07:02 PM   #2677 (permalink)
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That would be a huge win for Bulls and huge nothing for us. Some veterans who wouldn't fit in this young team
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:25 PM   #2678 (permalink)
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Trade Bargs to orlando for pick plus filler
Trade jose plus lk and pick for gay
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:25 PM   #2679 (permalink)
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This would be great trade for us. We would be a lot better defensively and finally fill the void at the 3 spot. I don't like the risk of taking on boozers contract, but that's the price we have to pay in order to get a quality wing player. Deng is leading that team with 18 and 8 and his defensive presence would be a good fit for Casey's system. From toronto's standpoint, I would definitely try to include fields instead of kleiza, which would rid us of one of our bad contracts. If that doesn't occur, we would at some point likely have to shed salary or amnesty amir in order to resign both deng and Lowry.

Lowry
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:21 PM   #2680 (permalink)
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Trade Bargs to orlando for pick plus filler
Trade jose plus lk and pick for gay
So Bargs gets us a pick/filler, but Jose/Lk get us Gay? Lol

Adding a pick won't change anything, Memphis would laugh their asses off and hang up the phone.
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